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[09:30:35 EST(-0500)] <alisonbenjamin> hey ATRC-Fluid people. I can't come by today but have the day free on Friday.
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[09:59:41 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> alisonbenjamin: sorry I missed your post - I was away from my desk
[09:59:48 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'm sure Friday would be fin
[10:00:06 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> justin_o has been working from home this week, but he's online and available
[10:00:20 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> it's possible he'll be in the office on Friday, but he'll have to be the one to say
[10:00:40 EST(-0500)] <alisonbenjamin> cool. I'll email him then.
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[10:23:04 EST(-0500)] <jessm> anastasiac: re: font size – is cmd+ not working for you?
[10:23:13 EST(-0500)] <jessm> or is it that you shouldn't have to use that?
[10:23:54 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> jessm, yes, it works just fine. but I don't think that you should have to use that
[10:24:03 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I looked at the site in Safari
[10:24:08 EST(-0500)] <jessm> k
[10:24:14 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> which doesn't remember my previous cmd+, and it's just TINY
[10:24:23 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> of course, that IS on my nice big monitor
[10:24:32 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> but lots of people have nice big monitors these days...
[10:24:39 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> just my 2 cents...
[10:24:57 EST(-0500)] <jessm> comparable to this though? http://dojofoundation.org/
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[10:25:26 EST(-0500)] <jessm> we specifically made the font smaller on the refresh – the old site was quite big which made us scroll a lot
[10:25:26 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, I'd say comparable
[10:25:29 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> pretty much the same
[10:25:37 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> but I find the dojo site small too
[10:25:42 EST(-0500)] <jessm> it's the same size
[10:25:44 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> maybe I'm just getting old :-P
[10:30:03 EST(-0500)] <laurelw> I notice how small it is too
[10:30:20 EST(-0500)] <laurelw> maybe it's an age thing as you say
[10:30:20 EST(-0500)] <laurelw> !
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[10:39:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: How's it going.
[10:40:28 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: hello... sick but getting better i think
[10:40:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Glad you're taking it slow and staying at home.
[10:41:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm wondering if you have some plans for 1.0 that you want to share with the list.
[10:41:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> QA-related, etc.
[10:42:34 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: I should probably do that... has there been any decision about release dates and such or will that come after everyone submits their plans for 1.0
[10:43:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: I think we can safely just pick a date.
[10:44:16 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> okay... I'll send out my plans... i'm probably going to request a longer than usual bug parade and testing time
[10:51:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: I think that makes a lot of sense. +1.
[10:53:14 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: thanks.... i'm compiling my wishlist now... which may seem slightly unreasonable in some cases... but hopefully it will be close
[10:53:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[10:54:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I think you may want to think of this as a chance to transition from wish list into plan. So definitely draft the wish list, but then take a few minutes to think about what you think is solid and feasible within the next four weeks.
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[10:59:13 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> : ) okay... i'll try
[11:01:10 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: just wondering about our 1.0 release and what will be included in it... is the plan to keep it identical to the structure that it is now (assuming that the build scripts that simon is working on don't get in) or will we be removing anything... e.g. manual tests
[11:01:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Good question.
[11:01:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I think we absolutely need to have new build scripts for 1.0.
[11:01:48 EST(-0500)] <jessm> anastasiac: this site has a nice font size, yes? http://www.gamera-wet.com/en/
[11:02:03 EST(-0500)] <jessm> they also have a lot less content
[11:02:20 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> jessm, better, yes
[11:02:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: As it stands now, Fluid-all.js is about 338 k, which is pretty huge.
[11:02:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So custom builds are on the roadmap for sure.
[11:03:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> As for what's going to be in 1.0, you can get a pretty good indiciation of everyone else's 1.0 plan from that thread.
[11:03:15 EST(-0500)] <jessm> lots of small text here – how long does it take you to find the leonard cohen tix? http://www.cbc.ca/
[11:03:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Do you think we should be removing manual tests?
[11:03:29 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> one thing that may help with file size is the resource servlet that athena7 and I ( athena7 mostly ) put together
[11:04:04 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> it takes care of gzipping, server side caching and setting aggressive HTTP cache headers for the browser
[11:04:14 EST(-0500)] <athena7> i think for jquery, jqueryui, and fluid, we're at around ~125kb for the minified, gzipped script imports
[11:04:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: Leonard Cohen tix: a split second with search in Firefox. ;P
[11:04:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I gotta get me some of those.
[11:04:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EricDalquist: Cool, sounds great.
[11:04:45 EST(-0500)] <athena7> i'll be including that in gary and i's javascript presentation next week, incidentally
[11:04:59 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> and is part of uP3.1
[11:05:15 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: i'm not sure.... for example the ones for inline edit (dropdown and rich-text) seem very useful but some of the others, such as the reorderer ones don't seem as necessary with all of the other demos that we have
[11:05:38 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> and with that 125kb the user should only ever download that content once
[11:06:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: good point. Maybe this is something that you can Anastasiac can coordinate; promoting out useful examples and then perhaps getting to a point where the manual tests aren't included in the bundle.
[11:06:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess it might lighten your testing load, too?
[11:06:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> athena7, EricDalquist: Awesome!
[11:07:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> athena7, EricDalquist: On a side note, I've been working on my jQuery workshop for the conference. I'm doing a lot of hands-on exercises based around building a client-side Twitter client.
[11:07:45 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: okay thanks... i'll talk with anastasiac when I come into the office
[11:08:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I've written a servlet to forward requests/responses to Twitter to get around the same origin policy, and then everything else is pretty much client-side. But it occurred to me that it might make a cool example portlet at some point, too.
[11:08:31 EST(-0500)] <athena7> oh that's really neat colin
[11:08:40 EST(-0500)] <athena7> and yes, i think that'd be fantastic!
[11:09:05 EST(-0500)] <athena7> if you want any help, let me know
[11:09:21 EST(-0500)] <athena7> one option too if it's really client-side-only is we could include it as a web proxy channel, rather than a real portlet
[11:10:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> athena7: Ok, cool.
[11:10:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess we can chat more about it in person at the conference.
[11:10:16 EST(-0500)] <athena7> yeah, absolutely
[11:10:27 EST(-0500)] <athena7> it's be wonderful to get some new things into the uportal layout
[11:10:42 EST(-0500)] <athena7> i've added a couple fluid demos to a javascript demo channel at least
[11:10:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> nice
[11:24:04 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark, anastasiac: I'm looking at the documentation for the renderer and am trying to get the first example code to work but am getting a template is undefined error
[11:25:10 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> justin_o: welcome to the renderer
[11:25:22 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I remember you mentioned using it in the Progress Indicator
[11:25:30 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'm not sure if that's an appropriate use
[11:25:47 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> but I do welcome the effort, if it's your attempt to learn about it, and to test the docs
[11:26:26 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> thanks... we'll see if it ends up being feasible... at the moment i'm just trying to figure out how it actually works... but am having a bit of trouble
[11:27:25 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> what docs are you looking at?
[11:27:44 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac is thinking that we really need an introductory tutorial for the Renderer...
[11:30:00 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> agreed
[11:30:04 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> i'll send you a link
[11:30:23 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+Renderer#FluidRenderer-Decorators
[11:30:34 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> i'm looking at the "Invoke the renderer" section
[11:30:48 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ah!!
[11:30:59 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Bosmon mentioned he'd be updating this page...
[11:31:04 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I hadn't seen this yet
[11:32:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac, justin_o: I think it's a reasonable use of the renderer... goal being to more easily apply the component progress data without having to mess with a lot of markup.
[11:33:19 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'm sorry to say that I haven't yet looked at your progress indicator work, justin_o, so I'm not sure of the best way to use the renderer
[11:33:31 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'll have to look at this 'decorators' stuff to see how relevant it is
[11:33:47 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> no problem... it's still a work in "progress"
[11:35:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: ha ha
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