fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-02-04
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[09:46:07 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: just wanted to ask you about the table of contents stuff
[09:46:19 EST(-0500)] * michelled listens
[09:46:33 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> 1) did you know that the unit tests aren't working
[09:46:45 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> 2) the manual test has an error in IE
[09:46:46 EST(-0500)] <michelled> in IE, right? I saw the bug you opened
[09:47:08 EST(-0500)] <michelled> are you seeing broken unit tests in FF?
[09:47:31 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> not it seems like it is just ie
[09:48:10 EST(-0500)] <michelled> it's on my to do list but I haven't looked at the problems yet. I was trying to get the table of contents rendered nicely - which it's doing now
[09:48:20 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> that's good
[09:48:44 EST(-0500)] <michelled> right at the moment I'm switching from using my own code to build the tree for the renderer to using the 'implement of kings' (fluid.transform)
[09:48:58 EST(-0500)] <michelled> it's not quite as straight forward as I expected but I'm making headway
[09:48:59 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ah... so things are changing anyways... okay..
[09:49:20 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I'll look into the IE issue once I've got the tree rendering with fluid.transform.
[09:49:37 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> it seems that the issue with the manual test page is in the generateTree function so this may change i guess
[09:50:01 EST(-0500)] <michelled> thanks very much for the heads up - I don't test on IE very often because my machine is glacial when I've got VMWare running
[09:50:10 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I'll let you know as I make headway
[09:50:16 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> thanks...
[09:51:23 EST(-0500)] * Topic is 'building trees with the implement of kings' set by michelled on 2009-02-04 09:51:23 EST(-0500)
[09:52:44 EST(-0500)] <michelled> everyone, I've been keeping a todo list in the table of contents javascript file. this is what it contains at the moment:
[09:52:46 EST(-0500)] <michelled> /*
[09:52:46 EST(-0500)] <michelled> * TODO:
[09:52:46 EST(-0500)] <michelled> * - look into IE issues with rendering
[09:52:47 EST(-0500)] <michelled> * - move the template out into UIOptions.html
[09:52:47 EST(-0500)] <michelled> * - get and implement a design for the table of contents
[09:52:48 EST(-0500)] <michelled> * - integrate table of contents with UI Options
[09:52:50 EST(-0500)] <michelled> * - make the toc template pluggable
[09:52:52 EST(-0500)] <michelled> * - make sure getting headings using something other then a selector works
[09:52:54 EST(-0500)] <michelled> * - move interesting parts of the template to the defaults ie. anchor
[09:52:56 EST(-0500)] <michelled> */
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[10:41:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: For awhile now, I've been trying to keep a simple set of notes for doing common SVN operations.
[10:41:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The kinds of stuff we easily forget, or people ask about a lot.
[10:41:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I don't know if it's helpful, but thought you might be interested in taking a quick peek:
[10:41:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Subversion+Tips+and+Tricks
[10:41:59 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark, that's an excellent idea!
[10:42:00 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> thanks
[10:42:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'll make notes on merging changes from a branch into trunk soon, too.
[10:42:39 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> you might want to email the list to let people know about the existence of this page
[10:42:44 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> so they can refer to it, and add to it
[10:43:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Makes a lot of sense.
[10:43:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Will do.
[10:44:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Hey, I'm justin doing my last-minute prep for the monthly teleconference.
[10:44:45 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay
[10:45:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> This is the Infusion 0.8 status page at the moment:
[10:45:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+0.8+Release+Status
[10:45:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess it's a bit out of date.
[10:45:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We should probably go ahead and settle on a release date for 0.8
[10:46:00 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i agree... in jira i had tentatively changed the date to the 19th
[10:46:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[10:46:10 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> that is the second last thursday of the month
[10:46:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> let me just fire up the spread sheet you sent me
[10:46:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> again
[10:46:21 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay...
[10:46:35 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> we've sort of missed the two days i had set for bug fix days....
[10:46:45 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i figured too many people were sick last week to get much done
[10:47:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yeah, that's probably true
[10:47:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I think shooting for February 19 is good
[10:47:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> +1
[10:48:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> any complaints/suggestions for releasing Infusion 0.8 on Feb 19?
[10:49:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Do we still even do wiki freezes really?
[10:50:06 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark: she just stepped out... anastasiac just stepped out...
[10:50:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[10:50:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Do you know?
[10:50:18 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> kind of repeated my self there
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[10:56:37 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark: what is you question?
[10:57:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Do we still do wiki freeze?
[10:58:04 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> what do you mean by wiki freeze?
[10:58:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I guess I'm asking you.
[10:58:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The 0.8 Release Status page had a date for wiki freeze.
[10:58:28 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ah
[10:58:32 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> hm
[10:58:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I just removed it for now, but I wondered if it's still relevant
[10:58:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> seems like a relic from the past
[10:59:06 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I think it would be relevant for the 'version stamping' of api pages
[10:59:17 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> we wouldn't want people updating pages while that work was going on
[10:59:23 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> but I agree, it's a relic
[10:59:27 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I don't think we should keep it
[10:59:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> isn't it something that is done during the two days of release?
[11:00:37 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> well, the version stamping of pages would be, yes
[11:01:03 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I guess we should keep it, but limit it to very close to release
[11:01:22 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> is the monthly call now?
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[12:36:49 EST(-0500)] <michelled> anastasiac, colinclark, Justin_o: we haven't done version stamping of API pages for 0.6 and 0.7
[12:36:56 EST(-0500)] <michelled> the thread on the list kind of died
[12:37:12 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: is this an issue that i should close now that we are working on UIOptions http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-1100
[12:37:31 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, michelled, I meant to ask about that
[12:37:43 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> it looks like the 0.7 was started, but never completed?
[12:37:43 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: i agree, we've also lost track of how we should be testing fluid-all.js
[12:37:43 EST(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark may be able to answer that Justin_o
[12:37:55 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay
[12:37:55 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I don't know what our responsibilities for Preferable are
[12:38:11 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i see
[12:38:46 EST(-0500)] <michelled> anastasiac - yes, it was started so I could illustrate what I meant in that e-mail thread
[12:39:18 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I mentioned at some point that I was holding off on 0.7 docs versioning until we knew what we wanted
[12:39:22 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> we should probably remove links to non-existant docs from the Table of Contents
[12:39:32 EST(-0500)] <michelled> sure
[12:40:44 EST(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark - we were going to have a dev meeting to make decisions on those issues that came out of the 0.7 release
[12:40:56 EST(-0500)] <michelled> now that you've been freed from the grant cave we should do that
[12:40:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: yes
[12:41:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> let's do it
[12:42:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: FLUID-1100 should actually be filed in Sakai's JIRA, since it's related to PreferAble, the predecessor to UI Options
[12:43:16 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> so would that be 'escalation'?
[12:45:02 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I don't seem to have my list of things we needed to meet about. I think testing the release bundle, API docs versioning and changes to the release process were the main points
[12:54:23 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: i'm not sure this is really escalation, but more like it was misfiled
[13:23:38 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: is the menubar example something we are still working on
[13:24:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Not really
[13:24:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The keyboard-a11y menubar, you mean?
[13:24:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac, Justin_o, michelled: One thing to think about for this "releasing infusion" meeting is to do some pre-planning work.
[13:25:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Suggestions on places we can cut, ways we can simplify.
[13:25:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> If we need to have a few targeted conversations to get advice, that's cool too.
[13:26:00 EST(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: I attempted to streamline a bit when I reworked the release process docs
[13:26:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Cool.
[13:26:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I look to you guys for advice on where the pain points are and what we might be able to simplify.
[13:26:32 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark: I've noticed some jiras pertaining to a menu bar, they seem to be tagged with keyboard accessibility so i think it is the same... i'm going to close those as won't fix can we also drop any code pertaining to to it.. if there is any
[13:26:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled summarized our goal really well in her email thread about it...
[13:26:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We want to get this release process to be comprehensive and simple enough that anyone can do it.
[13:27:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I think we're well on the way in that regard...
[13:27:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The release process documentation has hugely been expanded upon, which is great.
[13:27:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: I'm of two minds about that.
[13:27:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> As I think more about it.
[13:27:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: The goal of that menu bar example was to pick the hardest keyboard navigation problem
[13:28:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Menus have all kinds of complexity because of their nesting and interesting behaviours.
[13:28:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It's kind of a benchmark of how fully-fleshed out the plugin is.
[13:28:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So I wouldn't want to get rid of it. But we should consider it just a manual test or something.
[13:28:37 EST(-0500)] <michelled> that's what it is right now
[13:29:02 EST(-0500)] <michelled> are we planning on removing code from the plugin that is now in jquery?
[13:29:09 EST(-0500)] <michelled> would the examples also go?
[13:29:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: I'm not sure I understand your question.
[13:30:42 EST(-0500)] <michelled> hasn't some of the keyboard a11y plugin been included in jquery now? I think I'm remembering wrong - it's the tabindex plugin isn't it?
[13:30:56 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark, michelled: the menubar manual test is not linked to on the daily build site because of this issue http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-1640
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[13:32:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: yes, that's right
[13:32:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i'd like to purge some of that code
[13:55:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: Sorry, I was in a call.
[13:56:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The tabindex normalization code from they keyboard-a11y plugin is now in jQuery 1.3 and UI 1.6
[13:56:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So that portion of the code, along with the associated unit tests can be removed.
[13:56:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The menu bar example is still useful manual test for the keyboard navigation part of that code.
[13:57:14 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay... so i will leave the menubar stuff alone
[13:57:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> While I don't have plans for 1.0 to extend that code, it's still the end point we want to get to with the keyboard plugin.
[13:57:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So yeah, leave it alone
[13:57:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But we also don't need to track major bugs about it.
[13:57:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> They're only meaningful as features, not as bugs.
[13:57:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> If you know what I mean?
[13:58:31 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> not really... i think you mean you want to have a working menubar example, but don't want to fix bugs for it?
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[14:27:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> three cheers for --dry-run when doing svn merges
[14:28:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: No, I mean that bugs might be the wrong way to see it.
[14:28:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> There are features missing from the plugin. The fact that the menu bar example doesn't work is a symptom of that, not the cause.
[14:28:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It's not a substantial distinction though, so don't sweat it.
[14:28:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bugs are bugs.
[14:28:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[14:28:58 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i see.. so if it doesn't work.. its not a bug its a missing feature... something that hasn't been implemented
[14:29:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yeah
[14:29:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> but that's just another way of referring to a bug
[14:29:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[14:29:51 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> in a way.... sometimes people refer to the bugs as the features
[14:30:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[14:30:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yes
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[15:11:56 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Great topic
[15:12:03 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon>
[15:12:12 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Wahey, we now have RENDERER DIAGNOSTICS...
[15:12:34 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> In garish pink, it now tells me "No branch container with prefix row: found at component tree root at template position at lump line 2 column 23 index 0,"
[15:12:42 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, wonderful!
[15:12:44 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> is that committed?
[15:12:50 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I will commit it now...
[15:12:57 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'm looking forward to garish pink
[15:12:59 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> After checking I didn't screw over the tests
[15:13:13 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> thanks
[15:13:38 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It is designed to be a colour that could not possibly be a legitimate part of any successful design
[15:15:13 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i'm really curious to see this colour...
[15:18:53 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It has colour #FF466B
[15:19:00 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> You can write some material like this:
[15:19:01 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> <span style=\"background-color:#FF466B;color:white;padding:1px;\">";
[15:19:08 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> In order to see what it might look like
[15:21:44 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> that's very pink
[15:22:46 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> my eyes are in pain, yet oddly they are drawn to it
[15:27:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
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[16:01:39 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> OK
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[16:01:44 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> "diagnostic" rendering mode is now in trunk
[16:01:48 EST(-0500)] <michelled>
[16:01:58 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> If you pass it "debugMode = true" in the rendering options, you will get some horrible pink
[16:02:14 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Feedback is welcomed on how these could be made better in any way
[16:17:38 EST(-0500)] <michelled> Justin_o, anastasiac, I noticed the name change of the lightbox template. Is someone going to update the gallery tool as well?
[16:18:44 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> gallery too... must have missed that one
[16:19:01 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> that's not the sakai demo site is it?
[16:21:04 EST(-0500)] <michelled> no, it's the actual gallery tool that Ray and Eli have been working on
[16:21:26 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ooh.... oops...
[16:21:37 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> where is that information held
[16:21:46 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I actually don't remember the details of what we need to do - perhaps anastasiac or ecochran do?
[16:22:10 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> that's in the sakai svn, right?
[16:22:33 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay... i'll ask ecochran to help with that
[16:23:29 EST(-0500)] <michelled> oh, ya, anastasiac is correct - it's not what ray built but rather the version of the image gallery in sakai contrib
[16:25:17 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: thanks for letting me know about this.. I have sent ecochran an e-mail about it
[16:25:39 EST(-0500)] <michelled> np
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[16:54:25 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Bosmon: to use the garish pink, do I pass an options object to fluid.selfRender()?
[16:54:27 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> as in
[16:54:28 EST(-0500)]
<anastasiac> fluid.selfRender($("#toc"), listTree,
);
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