fluid-work IRC Logs-2013-04-11

[08:01:33 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> justin_o: I was wondering if you can adapt the font icon test page to include the implementation like the one on CSS-Tricks?

[08:02:43 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: what is that?

[08:03:01 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> using the data-icon property.

[08:04:34 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: i was thinking of creating a new test for that too… so i think we'll have these cases and combinations of them to cover.. so 1) functional vs presentational 2) class vs data-icon 3) ligature vs pua

[08:04:52 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> sounds good Justin_o

[08:06:08 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: i think i'll try to make them all options on a single page so you can toggle between them.. and then have js to swap things out.. not sure about the functional vs presentational though.. i guess that might have to be separate depending on what the work around is

[08:07:25 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Sounds fine Justin_o. Perhaps we should focus on presentational first because that's our primary use case for them right now.

[08:08:16 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: sadly my whole page is functional right now

[08:08:26 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> mainly because we don't know how to make them not be read i guess

[08:08:56 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Justin_o: yeah.

[08:09:43 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> So I guess we'll go ahead and do the tests for data-icon implementation.

[08:10:38 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: yep.. i'll add that in

[08:10:53 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Cool.

[08:15:54 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o i put some notes about my convo w clown on http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4934#comment-23547 - i'll add to the wiki page as well

[08:16:07 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> but if data-icon works, we'll be good!

[08:16:27 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: thanks

[08:23:47 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o free to chat prog enhancement? i'm wanting to check for what modernizr calls "generated content" support (the :before :after) - basically IE8. would we have a way of doing that now, or would an IE8 stylesheet be the current solution?

[08:24:08 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> this is for styling the on/off control/checkbox , doesn't work in IE8

[08:25:00 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> but i like the check for support approach vs. specific browser check

[08:25:25 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: our progressive enhancement basically allows someone to define a check that the would like to do for some feature (you'd have to write your function for that) and it sets a context in the static environment. This will work with our IoC based components

[08:27:24 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o the prog enhancement documentation is incomplete but i'm looking at how uploader does it...

[08:28:03 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o would you have any free time today to possibly pair on this?

[08:28:14 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: i think i should

[08:28:30 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: i'm currently working on the font-icon test page

[08:28:50 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o ok, let me know a good time. it's the last thing on my list before sending the styling pull req

[08:29:08 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: did you want to chat about it now then?

[08:29:16 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o sure, if that works for you

[08:29:23 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> sure i can do that

[08:29:43 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o ready when you are

[08:45:32 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jhung think we'll have to rework the markup for the on/off control

[08:46:05 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidiv: okay. I assume IE8 is the problem?

[08:46:36 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jhung a little semantics too. i think maybe swapping "label" element w a div would be better… label should have meaningful text describing the control

[08:47:27 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> and then maybe for ie8 we can just hide the on/off overlay and keep the checkbox and label "add a table of contents" as a <label> element

[08:47:37 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> i'll play.

[08:48:27 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> If we put the on/off in a div, it won't be clickable to activate the underlying checkbox.

[08:49:23 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jhung right right… part of my chat w clown yest was talking about our using <label> as a clickable vs. attaching real meaning to it. we need to be careful w that.

[08:50:06 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jhung it would be more correctly to put js on the on/off div that sets/unsets the checkbox

[08:50:18 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> unless there's a way to still use label correctly

[08:54:13 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Sounds fine to me. Let's move the toggle into a div.

[08:54:35 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> But if we're going the JS route, we may want to see if jQuery has something we can use.

[09:29:33 CDT(-0500)] <arashs> hey jhung, let me know if you need any help with your research on font icons

[09:31:33 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> arashs: sounds good. I think we're waiting for the test page to be done so we can test it across browsers and screen readers.

[09:31:53 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Justin_o is working on that now arashs.

[09:32:47 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o jhung I can also help with testing when that's ready

[09:34:54 CDT(-0500)] <arashs> yes, we could probably talk with Justin_o and heidiv after the testing to see if there are other details we need to focus on that we might have missed

[09:36:19 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidiv, arashs sounds good.

[09:42:54 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o looks like modernizr doesn't work because the body classnames get overwritten by uio js

[09:43:12 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: sorry

[09:43:26 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o anyway around that?

[09:44:23 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: I'm not sure.. i don't know why it is stripping off class names from the body.. that sounds like a bug to me, but cindyli might know better

[09:44:27 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o actually, should be added to html tag, not body… but not there. i'll debug before assuming it's being overwritten.

[09:48:34 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> heidiv: sounds good. let me know if you need my help. not sure which class names you guys were talking about

[09:48:59 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: okay.. yes let us know how that goes..

[09:49:28 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung, arashs: do you know if there is a way to add a pua icon font straight to the markup without using :before and :after

[09:50:26 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Justin_o: I've never tried. I can look.

[09:51:33 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: thanks, right now it is writing it out as text for me

[10:02:37 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o got it working

[10:05:11 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> but it's spitting out "no-generatedcontent" for all browsers..argh

[10:24:38 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: that's strange… and you're just putting the script in the head?

[10:25:13 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o works for safari and chrome… updating firefox to see if that helps

[10:25:35 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: okay.. should have worked there for a while though

[10:25:45 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> yeah, still false neg for ff

[10:25:50 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> http://caniuse.com/#search=%3Abefore

[10:26:05 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jhung could you grab my branch and try on your end?

[10:26:15 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> so i guess not that new for FF

[10:26:35 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidiv: sure I'll grab it and test it.

[11:53:45 CDT(-0500)] <Ra__> anybody who can help me with gsoc2013 idea?

[12:03:04 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Ra__: what do you need help with?

[12:04:49 CDT(-0500)] <Ra__> first of all i need to know if there is a mailing list for gsoc2013?

[12:05:49 CDT(-0500)] <Ra__> jhung: i tried searching but couldnt find it..

[12:07:37 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Ra__: usually we use the Fluid-work mailing list.

[12:07:52 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> let me find you a link.

[12:08:31 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Ra__: http://fluidproject.org/getinvolved/mailing-lists/

[12:09:13 CDT(-0500)] <Ra__> jhung thanks!

[12:10:02 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> No problem Ra__! Anything else you need help with? Which GSoC project are you interested in?

[12:10:16 CDT(-0500)] <Ra__> Actually I was going through the ideas page and found the storyboarder idea particularly interesting.

[12:11:18 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Cool! Ra__ Justin_o and I are coordinating that one.

[12:11:19 CDT(-0500)] <Ra__> I had similar thoughts while watching some videos particularly lecture videos since the useful part in it is usally small especially when you know some stuff

[12:11:42 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Excellent. That's the sort of use case we're thinking of too.

[12:15:13 CDT(-0500)] <Ra__> Yes! since I can relate to this idea I thought it would be good if I can contribute. I would like to know more about it.

[12:16:38 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Sure Ra__. Have you seen the Fluid Video Player?

[12:16:44 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Let me find you a link.

[12:17:04 CDT(-0500)] <Ra__> yes I have seen it

[12:18:44 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Cool. If you've seen the transcripts function there, you can imagine redoing that in a storyboard.

[12:18:53 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> But that doesn't have to be the only implementation of it.

[12:19:24 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I can see cases where it will serve as a visual index of some sort.

[12:23:41 CDT(-0500)] <Ra__> The transcript function is really good but i was thinking of a more visually impelling implementation of the index. Maybe something like a timeline with all the important frames from the video along with the transcripts.

[12:23:57 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung, arashs, heidiv: you can try out the obstacle course here https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/548929/fontIconTests/fontIconTest-functional.html

[12:24:29 CDT(-0500)] <arashs> thanks Justin_o

[12:26:05 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Ra__ cool. Yeah that would be interesting. Current video timelines have thumbnails already, but they don't show you all of them for each interesting moment.

[12:26:24 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> So your idea would be like that, but show more.

[12:26:25 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> ?

[12:27:42 CDT(-0500)] <Ra__> If looking from the user's point of view we can assume 2 things.

[12:27:51 CDT(-0500)] <Ra__> 1. He wants to save time.

[12:28:24 CDT(-0500)] <Ra__> 2. He wants not to miss anything important during the video.

[12:30:42 CDT(-0500)] <Ra__> So lets say if we can provide a continuous canvas of frames of the video and the transcript along with that to know when what was said.

[12:33:23 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Yeah that'd be a good implementation. I think if you do #2 well, #1 will take care of itself.

[12:34:41 CDT(-0500)] <Ra__> Yes jhung.. its true!.. but sometimes due to feer of losing important things people watch the complete video just to realize that their time was wasted

[12:35:23 CDT(-0500)] <arashs> Justin_o: I might need your help with this

[12:35:42 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Ra__ haha. I've been there!

[12:36:15 CDT(-0500)] <Ra__> Actually I am unable to explain you exactly what I am thinking of.. maybe I will make a graphic to show you..

[12:36:34 CDT(-0500)] <Ra__> give me some time.

[12:36:41 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> That'd be great Ra__ and take your time.

[12:37:07 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> You can send it to jhung@ocadu.ca and CC Justin_o (jobara@ocadu.ca) as well.

[12:39:56 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Sounds like you're on the right track Ra__. Looking forward to chatting more about this.

[12:43:58 CDT(-0500)] <Ra__> jhung I should make it clear, I am just thinking from the design point of view. I have not done much thinking on the implementation part yet.

[12:44:36 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> That's perfect Ra__.

[12:54:27 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> arashs: sure just on a call, but we can chat after

[12:54:44 CDT(-0500)] <arashs> sounds good Justin_o

[13:34:34 CDT(-0500)] <Ra__> jhung Justin_o you must have recieved an email!

[13:35:06 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Ra__, got it. Thanks!

[13:36:25 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jhung should i pull your scroll fix into my jira or leave it sep?

[13:36:58 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> pull it in heidiv

[13:38:44 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> roger that

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[13:49:29 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> sure heidiv

[13:50:02 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jhung i added ie8 css for now and filed this jira http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4975

[13:50:24 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> k

[13:54:37 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm de-caving to ask a few questions…

[13:54:40 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: What's the best way to create an image with a caption in Confluence?

[13:54:51 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I want to have the image, and then a little description of the image beneath it

[13:55:00 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Plus add some whitespace around it.

[13:55:28 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> hm. good question, colinclark. You'd think that confluence would have something built-in for that

[13:55:43 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> So far I haven't found it, but I might have just missed it

[13:56:11 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon or yzen: Can you give me a very brief summary of what the "persistence" leg of our three-legged ant might actually do in practice? Is it safe, at this point, to say that it's an opportunity for developers to supply "schematic information" about a given preference?

[13:57:19 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark, I don't see anything, either, unless you're using a gallery of images.

[13:57:27 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> you could put the image in a

[13:57:32 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> and give the panel a title

[13:57:39 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> the title would appear above the image

[13:58:16 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: i think the way you accomplish this is to create a container and then plunk in the image and put some text in there too

[13:58:44 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark: image captions aren't officially available in confluence til 4.1 (we're at 3.7.x) so you'll need some kind of hack

[13:59:06 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: got an example I can copy?

[13:59:19 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> anything is probably good enough

[13:59:34 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/%28Floe%29+UI+Options+Design

[13:59:51 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> cool

[13:59:54 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> or this page that has 3 "containers" http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Preferences+for+Global+Access

[13:59:56 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'll play around with both of your suggestions

[14:00:19 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> seems like anastasiac's "panel plus title" approach should be cool

[14:00:31 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: it seems superior to the two i pasted in

[14:00:52 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> as long as a caption over your image instead of under is ok, it's easy

[14:01:05 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> and you can easily configure a border, if you want

[14:01:18 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> awesome

[14:01:33 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I have been using MediaWiki for so long, I forgot how flexible Confluence can be

[14:01:53 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: I'm going to do this (and the Cloud4all report) as wiki pages which we can then migrate into Google/Word docs if that's okay with you

[14:02:03 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> i think it sounds great

[14:02:08 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I figure people should be able to see and contribute to this sort of thing beyond a private Google doc

[14:02:09 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> it's kicking my butt into gear

[14:02:09 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> awesome

[14:02:27 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled, cindyli: I was thinking, after spending some time with UIO's code today, that we should be sure to rename any references to "actionAnts" to "enactors" instead. Maybe there's already a JIRA for this or it's already been done.

[14:02:38 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: you got a sniff today from someone who already wanted to comment on what you haven't even posted yet

[14:02:45 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> lol

[14:02:47 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> colinclark: wasn't there some debate whether persistence should exist not on per ant basis but rather similar to what it is right now?

[14:02:57 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> who was that, jessm?

[14:03:06 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> yzen: I guess there was, yes

[14:03:13 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: rich

[14:03:15 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> My cube diagram only has two sides?

[14:03:23 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: figured!

[14:03:56 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> yzen: Are we planning on there being a "schema" for each preference?

[14:04:19 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> colinclark: yes i thought so

[14:04:30 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> okay, so that, conceptually, is our third side

[14:04:43 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> yzen: Can you speculate on what kind of schematic information will be provided by a developer?

[14:04:49 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Data type, value range, that sort of thing?

[14:04:51 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> yes, currently default value is stored somewhere where it might not really belong

[14:05:06 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> colinclark: something in the line of json schema spec,

[14:05:28 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> bounds, enums, etc

[14:05:48 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ok

[14:05:50 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> that's perfect

[14:06:05 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> colinclark: i will create a jira to rename "actionAnts". they are still in the code

[14:06:29 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ok, cool cindyli

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[14:42:38 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: did you remove the reset button from inside the iframe in your branch?

[14:42:54 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o yep, and there's a button on the panelbar for it

[14:44:12 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: thanks, what class did you use for that one?

[14:44:32 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o flc-uiOptions-reset

[14:44:35 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> same one

[14:45:10 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: perfect, thanks

[14:45:33 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: i'm going to fix that in the FLUID-4927 branch that cindyli and I are working on

[14:46:17 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o okee doke

[14:58:38 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: we still don't have a way to declaratively call jQuery methods in an IoC tree right?

[14:59:06 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - we don't

[14:59:10 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Do we have a JIRA for that?

[15:00:02 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: i wrote this up a while ago http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4878

[15:00:12 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> not a very good jira

[15:00:21 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes

[15:00:29 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Could you add an example of what you are trying to do right now? : P

[15:00:52 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: yes.. i could add an example of something i'd like to do.

[15:00:58 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Thanks, JASIGLogBot

[15:01:01 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> er Justin_o

[15:01:22 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> lol… i'm sure the log bot likes to feel appreciated too

[15:04:29 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: updated the jira.. is that clear enough or would you like something else?

[15:05:13 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - that seems good!

[15:05:17 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> What is the value of "reset"?

[15:05:33 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: you mean in the args?

[15:05:37 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> yes

[15:06:40 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> in this case it's a function

[15:06:43 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> an invoker really

[15:06:51 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> well maybe an invoker..

[15:07:48 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Oh, I see

[15:08:20 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> Justin_o: can you remind me when a JIRA should be 'resolved' and when it should be 'closed'?

[15:08:22 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> That would be a rather peculiar syntax

[15:08:35 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> In general the "args" are supplied to a listener on every invocation

[15:08:58 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Oh, I see

[15:09:06 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> This will just execute once....

[15:09:12 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: i guess it's resolved when the changes are in master. If it requires further testing it might stay that way, but if not it should be closed

[15:09:25 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> ok, that makes sense

[15:09:26 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> thx

[15:09:38 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: in this case yes, but there may be other cases that are different

[20:58:28 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> Bosmon: hows it going?

[21:48:11 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> NERDDD!