fluid-work IRC Logs-2011-08-29

[07:58:04 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> morning
[10:18:27 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> hey Justin_o is antranig's stuff + fixed TOC in trunk?
[10:22:06 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: i believe so
[10:22:18 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: when you say fixed ToC what do you mean?
[10:22:32 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o it wasn't working earlier last week, right?
[10:22:34 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: the problem of it crashing should be fixed, but not that issue that you had with it
[10:23:26 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> ok cool
[10:23:41 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> if antranig's fixes are in, i'll make a new build
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[12:52:28 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> heidi_, good question. I actually have a tutorial for that
[12:52:35 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> well, no - an example
[12:52:37 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> i thought you might
[12:52:37 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> not a tutorial
[12:52:41 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> great
[12:52:55 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/docs/Fat+Panel+UI+Options+-+Custom+Show-Hide+Button
[12:52:59 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> heidi_: ^
[12:53:14 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> perfecto thanks anastasiac !
[12:53:22 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> heidi_, I'd appreciate any feedback on this demo, whether or not it's clear, helpful, etc
[12:53:37 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> k will let you know
[12:56:07 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> jameswy for the IDI site mockup the fat panel has "Display Settings" as the sliding panel tab text - should it be Show Display Settings and Hide Display Settings ?
[12:56:22 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> or just display settings with an up or down arrow
[12:59:47 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> heidi_: Let's start with just "display settings" with an up/down arrow or expand icon.
[13:00:39 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> jameswy cool, could you send me the up/down arrow image in white, black, and yellow? checking to see if i have the gear icon..
[13:03:40 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> jameswy just have the gear icon in white
[13:08:38 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> heidi_: Sure thing. I'll send it along with the checkboxes. When do you need these by?
[13:22:56 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> jameswy as soon as you're able
[13:33:42 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> anastasiac that example was easy to follow, thanks
[13:34:01 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> heidi_, great - I'm glad it was helpful
[13:38:33 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: maybe i could get some advice on something
[13:38:41 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> from you, if you have some time
[13:39:09 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o sure what's up?
[13:41:49 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: so you may recall that I've been working on the contrast issues and made use of the "*" selector to set the colour, background-colour, and border
[13:42:10 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> yep
[13:42:21 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> and that to have the select box have the specific contrast themes applied to the various options we added another level of specificity
[13:42:35 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: so this seems to work, except in IE6
[13:42:36 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o>
[13:43:26 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> noooo
[13:43:32 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> what's IE6 doin? just grey text still?
[13:43:42 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> also, do we care? :|
[13:43:49 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: you sound like jameswy
[13:44:09 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: what it's doing basically is replicating the problem from the select box, but for the entire page
[13:44:11 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> heidi_, Justin_o: +1 to not caring about IE6.
[13:44:44 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> so it looks like the last theme is overriding portions of the styling
[13:45:13 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - is it just IE6, or IE7 and IE8 too?
[13:45:28 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o hm, so in IE6 the theme being used is always the last theme, for all styles, or just certain ones?
[13:45:36 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: i haven't gotten to IE 7 and IE 8 yet, IE 9 was good though
[13:45:41 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> As of this month, IE6 is still 3.4% of the market
[13:45:56 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: worldwide?
[13:46:07 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes - it is almost exactly the same proportion as Safari 5.0
[13:46:20 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-ww-monthly-201008-201107
[13:47:40 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> that chart is a bit hard to read, lots of lines
[13:47:41 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Looks like Chrome will overtake Firefox in just 2 more months....
[13:48:20 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> You can click at the right to make lines disappear
[13:48:20 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: but there's no FF 5 or 6 on that chart
[13:48:31 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Not as separated versions, no
[13:48:37 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But they are included in the overall browser aggregate
[13:48:53 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> anyway - we should probably look into some method of making IE6 at least acceptable
[13:49:12 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> Bosmon, Justin_, heidi_: here's my thought: by maintaining IE6 support, we're saying it's a perfectly legitimate browser to use in 2011. If we break IE6 support-inadvertently or deliberately-we're joining those who are encouraging its exit.
[13:49:16 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I don't believe we have a mandate to drop it from this release... but I guess we could if our backs were really to it and it were the final thing holding up a release
[13:49:40 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Colin is planning to announce his revised browser mandate AFTER we get this release out
[13:49:50 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> yes... we're so close
[13:50:19 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: I'm currently at a loss for what to do..
[13:50:24 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: do you have any thoughts?
[13:50:45 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - can you describe the problem in more detail?
[13:50:51 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> ditto
[13:50:55 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> What styles do you apply with what selectors, and what do you observe?
[13:52:19 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon, heidi_ : here's an example of the style declaration in the black on white theme https://github.com/jobara/infusion/blob/FLUID-4370/src/webapp/framework/fss/css/fss-theme-bw.css#L13-20
[13:52:53 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o where do you see the issue happening? for just that grey text or for the whole page?
[13:53:19 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> so things are much better in IE 7
[13:53:22 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - the issue is probably that IE6 doesn't recognise styling rules which apply to multiple classes
[13:53:26 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> This is a fairly well-known issue
[13:53:36 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: maybe
[13:54:08 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> what i'm seeing though is that for the black on white and black on yellow cases there are large portions that still have black backgrounds
[13:54:19 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> it almost looks like a very large black border
[13:54:27 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> and all the options are styled with yellow on black
[13:54:39 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> in the color and contrast select box
[13:54:49 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Can you produce a screenshot and a writeup of the issue?
[13:55:00 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> sure one second
[13:55:48 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Which rule does the black background derive from?
[13:55:49 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> actually make that a few minutes.. have to switch my vm back to IE6
[13:56:06 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> No worries... I will make some more TTEA
[13:56:19 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: so that seems to happen only if the fl-preview-theme class is added by ui enhancer
[13:56:21 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, I have a question about how UIO loads its templates
[13:56:45 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> I see that the UIO component itself has a "resources" option that defaults to the templateLoader's uio template
[13:57:20 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> Should it be possible to override that resources option with a custom path? or is an integrator required to go through the templateLoader?
[13:57:39 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - it sounds like this is simply a classic case of IE6 ignoring "all but the last" class name....
[14:00:29 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> anastasiac - users should certainly not override UIO's own resources element
[14:00:38 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> An integrator should go through the templateLoader
[14:01:06 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, thanks. I suspected so, when I tried to override it and it ignored me
[14:01:07 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> sorry i've been a bit absent since friday
[14:01:28 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> i've been working on irene relief stuff. it's wrapping up today. http://irenerecoverymap.com
[14:01:30 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o a screenshot would help
[14:02:15 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> huslage this looks like a great resource
[14:02:26 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> yeah i hope so
[14:02:30 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> thanks heidi_
[14:06:26 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_, Bosmon: I've added some information to the FLUID-4370 jira http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4370
[14:07:46 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o do you know what's being styled incorrectly to cause that black border?
[14:08:08 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: if you mean the exact element, then no
[14:08:16 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> i'd guess it's the background though
[14:20:18 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o everything is still legible right?
[14:20:26 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> is it just this border issue and the theme dropdown?
[14:21:02 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: pretty much.. there's also another issue with the text being duplicated... you can see it off to the right
[14:21:05 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> what did fl-preview-theme do? wasn't it just on the dropdown
[14:21:23 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: it was supposed to be just for that, but the ui enhancer also adds that to the body
[14:21:45 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> the duplicated text looks like an unrelated issue, yeah?
[14:22:22 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: yes.. i think so
[14:23:20 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o i don't think this is a huge deal, if everything is legible in the right colours (minus dropdown issue)
[14:23:42 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: jameswy doesn't even like that the inputs don't have their colours changed
[14:24:19 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o not sure what you mean
[14:25:47 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> heidi_: checkboxes, etc. are still in white.
[14:25:48 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> i think james would like the checkboxes to be styled according to the theme too
[14:25:51 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> Even in a yellow/black theme.
[14:26:11 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> just in IE 6 or for all browsers?
[14:26:17 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> There are blues and whites in a yellow/black theme. All browsers.
[14:26:29 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> i agree they should be styled by the theme
[14:34:19 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> Justin_o: do we have a jira for the builder issue? no luck from my jira search result.
[14:34:25 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Which duplicated text do you mean, Justin_o?
[14:34:58 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_, Bosmon : I guess Bosmon you were suggesting that if i broke up the styles a bit it should work.. so i have each line have the style declaration for that top set that i sent out earlier. However, the problem still exists
[14:35:22 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - can you add a screen shot showing what the current branch looks like in a normal browser?
[14:35:26 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: if you look at the left side of the screen shot you can see text there that is actually a duplicate of text on the line above
[14:35:35 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: sure
[14:35:51 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: hmm.. can't remember.. i'll take a look
[14:35:53 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Ah, you mean the text, "the page"?
[14:37:15 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Also, do you know what influences the corruption of the layout?
[14:37:27 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> The dropdowns "1 times" etc. appear off to the right of the dialog
[14:37:41 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: yes.. the size of the text field is probably the issue there
[14:37:48 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> or part of it at least
[14:39:25 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: screen shot is up
[14:39:34 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Thanks
[14:39:50 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Wow
[14:39:54 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> That's really alarmingly different
[14:40:03 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: yes, quite different
[14:40:26 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> ooops.. i might have used the wrong theme
[14:40:26 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> So "links and buttons" is destroyed completely? Or did you just leave it out of your IE6 screenshot
[14:40:28 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> one second
[14:42:33 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: okay... updated the screenshot with the correct theme applied this time
[14:42:51 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> and yes, the other section was just cut off because my browser wasn't big enough in the vm
[14:42:58 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> ok
[14:43:33 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> So... I'm guessing the most fundamental of the issues we are looking at is... "why does part of the original page retain a black background"
[14:43:42 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: yes
[14:43:44 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> exactly
[14:43:50 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> And if we can dispense with that, we can look at less crucial issues like "why does part of the dialog retain yellow styling"
[14:44:22 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> So - can you tell which is the tag responsible in the background page for the black colour? And what have you found that influences it
[14:44:36 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Did you say that if you remove the "preview" styling rule, the problem goes away?
[14:45:40 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: i don't think we have a jira for that yet, i can't locate one either
[14:45:59 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> Justin_o: good to know. i will create one. thanks, Justin_o
[14:46:49 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: thanks.. could you please make it a blocker for 1.4 and add the "Bug Parade Infusion" comment to it
[14:47:05 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> np, Justin_o
[14:47:13 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: thanks
[14:47:38 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> np
[14:57:31 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon, heidi_: any ideas.. i'm about to head out soon... but we can chat more tomorrow i guess
[14:57:40 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o^
[14:58:43 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> yeah i'd be curious to know what's being styled wrong, what element
[15:01:20 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: yes.. if i remove the preview class the background works
[15:01:29 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Ok - that's really interesting
[15:02:04 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> How do you remove it exactly - what do these lines https://github.com/jobara/infusion/blob/FLUID-4370/src/webapp/framework/fss/css/fss-theme-bw.css#L13-20 look like when it is removed?
[15:02:09 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: yep... so i'm thinking that in IE6's mind they all have the same specificity
[15:02:36 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes
[15:02:38 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> "Windows Internet Explorer version 5.0, 5.5 and 6.0 see only the last class name in any CSS rule that uses multiple class selectors. For example, the selector p.blue.green is interpreted exactly as if it read p.green. Here’s an example."
[15:02:47 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> From this page - http://thunderguy.com/semicolon/2005/05/16/multiple-class-selectors-in-internet-explorer/
[15:03:13 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Could we perhaps mitigate the problem to some extent by just changing the order you mention the classes in?
[15:03:27 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> It doesn't need to be perfect, but perhaps the result could be less unacceptable
[15:03:45 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> this is where the class is added.. in uiEnhancer
[15:03:46 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> https://github.com/jobara/infusion/blob/FLUID-4370/src/webapp/components/uiOptions/js/UIEnhancer.js#L142-148
[15:04:02 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: ah interesting.. i didn't understand what you meant before, so i could try that
[15:05:09 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> but i think it will be the same issue, in that the specificity will be the same for every theme
[15:06:30 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well, perhaps the only way out of this situation, if we choose to take it, really is a "Sith Lord" like scheme
[15:06:42 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: wouldn't that be the same problem
[15:06:53 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> afaik that part of IE6's specificity system is not broken
[15:07:06 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> And it will successfully let a "more highly sithed" rule override a weaker one
[15:07:17 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> so it can tell the difference between 2 id's, but not 2 classes
[15:07:23 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I believe that is correct, yes
[15:07:27 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> It is sort of "Empire Blind"
[15:08:43 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay.. well i'm trying out the reversing of the class names now.. I'll let you know if that works
[15:09:17 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> As long as you put "preview" last it will probably at least ensure that the attempt at previewing doesn't destroy the main page
[15:10:03 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> heidi_: assets sent
[15:10:10 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> cheers
[15:10:26 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: well.. preview had been last
[15:10:33 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> now i'm putting it at the front
[15:16:17 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: so changing the order has helped
[15:41:30 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Sorry yes, I got confused... I meant to move it away from last