fluid-work IRC Logs-2011-08-10

[08:25:51 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> jameswy: I spotted this interesting design article about the physical design of the T-Mobile myTouch 4G. http://donnkohstudio.com/12400/175251/portfolio/t-mobile-mytouch-4g
[08:26:29 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> jhung: cool
[08:42:46 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> morning humans
[08:53:17 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> morning
[08:59:23 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark: don't know if you remember our talk from the other week about the theme inversions
[08:59:34 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> we had talked about adding a new qualifier class fl-inverted
[08:59:43 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> i wonder if that should really be fl-inverted-color
[08:59:47 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> any thoughts
[09:00:09 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> i'm just wondering if we will ever want to invert things other than colour
[09:01:27 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ah, like flip things upside down?
[09:03:32 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> jameswy: starting next week I'm going to come in to the office on Fridays (in addition to Wed and Thurs). I'm wondering what your thoughts are on having casual design chats on Friday afts? (I'm calling it "Designing with Donuts" for now... but call it whatever you want .
[09:03:58 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark: yes, possibly
[09:05:05 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> yay for donuts!
[09:05:11 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: I'm cool with fl-inverted-color
[09:05:33 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark: okay.. thanks.. i'll make the changes in my branch
[09:05:39 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> cool
[09:06:47 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> jameswy: thinking we'd use that time to chat about interesting designs we've seen during the week, discuss design issues, etc. Of course, it's open to everyone so others can join in as well (not just designers).
[09:07:25 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> jhung: Sounds like a good idea--let's try it out
[09:08:08 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> jameswy: cool. Let's try 2:30p for 30 mins next friday and see how it goes?
[09:33:06 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> hey Colinclark, jonny is here.
[09:33:14 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> oh, awesome
[09:33:26 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> i'll try to drop by at lunch today and hang out with him
[09:33:43 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> tell him i'm at the masters program intensive today
[09:33:47 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> presenting this afternoon
[09:33:52 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> but i'll come hang out as soon as i can
[09:34:53 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> k. I've relayed that.
[09:34:58 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> thanks!
[09:35:11 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> you should check out his work on an FSS-based WordPress theme
[09:35:20 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> We've been working to add UI Options to it, too
[09:35:26 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> it's shaping up nicely
[09:35:37 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> cool. I'll ask him to see it once he's set up.
[09:55:00 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> jameswy: can you send me your AI files for the Decapod wireframes?
[09:55:38 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> jhung: They're not in svn?
[09:55:47 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> ah
[09:55:56 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I should look there
[10:34:10 CDT(-0500)] <jhung1> Looks like we're going to have stand-up in the channel today. Cool?
[10:34:27 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> sure
[10:34:43 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> jhung1: Do you want to coordinate pinging everyone to give updates?
[10:35:22 CDT(-0500)] <jhung1> sure.
[10:35:27 CDT(-0500)] <jhung1> Cindyli?
[10:35:47 CDT(-0500)] <jhung1> (we'll go in order according to the IRC list){color}
[10:35:52 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> continue working on fixing an ATutor security issue
[10:36:11 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> that's it
[10:36:19 CDT(-0500)] <jhung1> colinclark...
[10:36:47 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm here at the MDes Inclusive Design intensive session at Massey College today
[10:37:05 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> enjoying a chat from Mark Surman about the broader activities of Mozilla, beyond the browser
[10:37:24 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I spent a good chunk of my day yesterday thinking the a proposal to the community
[10:37:44 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> a new effort to broaden our own community engagement beyond some of our core tools like Infusion
[10:37:54 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> which we're tentatively calling the Fluid Studios
[10:38:08 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> This will be the place where we can engage with people who are doing interesting design work
[10:38:11 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> experiments
[10:38:17 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> new interesting applications
[10:38:29 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> all of which support our broader mission of inclusion on the open web
[10:38:44 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Here are my working notes about the idea: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+Community+Studios
[10:38:56 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> That's it for me
[10:39:10 CDT(-0500)] <jhung1> greggy: do you have anything to share for stand-up?
[10:39:18 CDT(-0500)] <jhung1> ^greggy1
[10:39:45 CDT(-0500)] <greggy1> could I guess, but not really
[10:39:53 CDT(-0500)] <greggy1> jhung: ^
[10:40:01 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> greggy thanks.
[10:40:10 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> harriswong...
[10:41:14 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> greggy1: Any update on your MediaWiki theme? Did Justin_o get you hooked up on Github?
[10:41:17 CDT(-0500)] <harriswong> i was working on some OAuth related work yesterday for the gsoc since the student couldn't connect to it. I am now working on ATutor bugs fixes for the release.
[10:41:53 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> colinclark: can you tell me when you are done please
[10:42:16 CDT(-0500)] <greggy1> colinclark: I have my own Github where I'll put it. Kind of busy currently writing a proposal
[10:42:46 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> huslage, anything to share while greggy1 and colinclark are chatting?
[10:44:06 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> huslage, going once, going twice...
[10:44:31 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> sold to the next person... which is me.
[10:45:21 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I've updated my results of genpdf testing using coloour images and handwritten documents. With this, I now have a decent understanding of what genpdf currently does and what we need to do.
[10:46:01 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I've updated a wiki page with this info and started creating a list of features. colinclark I should chat with you about this sometime soon.
[10:46:26 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> sure
[10:46:35 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> do you have a link handy for everyone?
[10:46:40 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Started looking back at Decapod designs to see how we can incorporate some of these new features we're likely going to support. Also thinking of a colour scheme to use for Decapod.
[10:46:54 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> sure colinclark. Here it is: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Post+Decapod+0.4+examination+and+notes
[10:47:02 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> hi
[10:47:03 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> sorry
[10:47:12 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> nothing to share at the moment was on phone
[10:47:21 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> huslage, np.
[10:47:26 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> thanks for the update.
[10:47:38 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> greggy1: i can get give you permission to use the idrc space we have in github. Just need your github id.. then you'll be able to use it when you need it.
[10:47:48 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> justin_o your turn
[10:48:13 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: is this standup?
[10:48:13 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> (anastasiac, we'll come back to you at the end.)
[10:48:22 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> justin_o: yep
[10:48:29 CDT(-0500)] <greggy1> Justin_o: I'm gregrgay
[10:48:50 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> greggy1: thanks.. i'll add you on
[10:49:48 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: okay.. i'm at the master's program intensive today. Listening to some really nice talks.. also working on UIO. Fixing some of the contrast issues still in the fat panel and etc.
[10:49:57 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> that's all for me
[10:50:08 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> thanks justin_o. michelled?
[10:50:56 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I'm working the css url rewriting for ui options
[10:51:13 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> found a couple bugs in the parser and have written a few tests
[10:51:44 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I'm working on my fork of the jscssp on the 4395 branch in case anyone is interested
[10:51:54 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> hey guys
[10:51:54 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> that's it
[10:52:10 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> I think there's a problem with the options on the fluid decorator
[10:52:20 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> they seem to be ignored
[10:52:40 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> mlam, feel free to type your update...
[10:52:42 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> greggy1: I've added you to the idrc's github organization https://github.com/inclusive-design/
[10:52:46 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> lahabana: We're just doing a quick standup update of what everyone is working on right now...
[10:52:57 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> do you want to give an update on what you've been working on, lahabana?
[10:53:06 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> we can talk about renderer decorators a bit later
[10:53:06 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> I'm working on CSPACE-4307 - It's to create new records from existing records. Looking into using local storage in browsers to temporarily hold a model and have access to it on the next page
[10:53:16 CDT(-0500)] <greggy1> Justin_o: k,thx, I'll try to get the MW theme posted in the next couple days.
[10:53:18 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> colinclark: sure, I'm currently trying to finish what I'm on
[10:53:24 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> correcting quite a lot of bugs
[10:53:43 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> lahabana, what are you working on? (sorry, not familiar...)
[10:53:47 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> greggy1: thanks
[10:53:49 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> and the bigger one being to make the player work without controllers and or captions
[10:54:01 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> jhung: a videoPlayer
[10:54:08 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> lahabana: gotcha, thanks!
[10:54:37 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> anything else to share lahabana as an update?
[10:55:00 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> well I think there's a problem with the options on the fluid decorator
[10:55:17 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> they jsut seem to be ignored
[10:55:48 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> lahabana thanks. I assume you guys will be talking about that shortly.
[10:56:02 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> yura...
[10:56:04 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> yes could be a missussage too
[10:56:12 CDT(-0500)] <yura> hey jhung
[10:56:40 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> stand-up update yura?
[10:57:32 CDT(-0500)] <yura> im working on advanced search and search results pager integration, that's pertty much it
[10:58:00 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> thanks. jameswy: standup update?
[10:59:47 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> alison-benj, athena, azeckoski, care, EricDalquist, JonathanD, kasper_ - anything you'd like to share as an update to the community? I invite you to share it.
[10:59:55 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> Floe demo and prepping for presentation!
[11:00:33 CDT(-0500)] <athena> fluid continues to be awesome, and we're looking forward to the official 1.4 release?
[11:00:51 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> athena: the best status update ever.
[11:00:51 CDT(-0500)] <athena> just pulled in another snapshot of pre-1.4 yesterday - appears to be working well
[11:00:54 CDT(-0500)] <athena> lol
[11:01:55 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I guess if there isn't anything else, we'll wrap up the "stand-up" meeting and resume our regularly scheduled chatter.
[11:02:26 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Thanks everyone!
[11:27:02 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> colinclark: hi
[11:27:17 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> is there a way to have conditionnal components using IoC?
[11:27:26 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> cause I'm having quite an issue right now
[11:31:32 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> hi lahabana
[11:31:38 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm sorry I can't be of much help today
[11:31:46 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm away at an event and am quite distracted
[11:31:53 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> it's ok
[11:32:10 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> I'll ask somebody else
[11:32:57 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> athena any thoughts on what I asked earlier?
[11:35:34 CDT(-0500)] <athena> errr, sorry
[11:35:41 CDT(-0500)] <athena> i wish i was cool enough to have an answer to that though
[11:35:47 CDT(-0500)] <athena> i've only done a bit of IoC work
[11:39:57 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> athena: it's ok thx
[12:41:47 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: i sent a pull request for https://github.com/fluid-project/infusion/pull/134
[12:42:00 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> for FLUID-4377
[12:42:04 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> ok, I'll look at it when I get a chance
[12:42:09 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: thanks
[12:42:38 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Do you need anyone to review any of Bosmon's recent pull requests?
[12:42:53 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark: what good timing
[12:43:00 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[12:43:12 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark: i was just going to ask you, if you wanted to look at https://github.com/fluid-project/infusion/pull/133
[12:43:28 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> I think that was for the issue that you discovered
[12:43:47 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> yep, i'll take a look
[12:46:28 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark: thanks
[12:48:51 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski> since I know you guys are hankering for more pager questions
[12:48:56 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski> I will not keep you waiting
[12:49:21 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski> sorry for making you wait for them this long, I know the waiting is the hardest part
[12:51:15 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski> so we have our pager placed in a page like so:
[12:53:16 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski> actually, this is not going to past well, lemme pastebin this
[12:54:12 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski> http://pastebin.com/PqNDpNku
[12:54:25 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski> and we get some weird looking output
[12:55:24 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski> basically, all the numbers are duplicated
[12:55:49 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski> lemme attempt to paste something representative here
[12:56:22 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski> but I also have a public JIRA which I think shows it better in the screenshots
[12:56:24 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski> https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SKE-20
[12:57:31 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski> 1 2 2 2 3 2 4 2 5 (last) < previous next >
[12:57:54 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski> it's hard to see from that, but essentially the 1 is a link, the 2 is just text, the 3 is a link, etc.
[12:58:17 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski> I think this has to do with the rsf:id somehow, but
[12:58:36 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski> this was working before we upgraded from 1.1 to 1.3
[12:58:45 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski> anyone have any ideas or suggestions??
[13:00:14 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski> I take that back about the rsf:ids because we are not using those here, so in fact, I have no clues about why this is now failing
[13:36:49 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> azeckoski_: i think the template for the page links changed a bit
[13:38:55 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> azeckoski_: here's an example of the template now https://github.com/fluid-project/infusion/blob/master/src/webapp/demos/pager/html/pager.html#L49-61
[13:39:35 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> For 1.3, we made some changes to the Pager bar to make it more accessible and awsome
[13:39:37 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> awesome
[13:39:52 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess we don't fully have a good experience for template changes in components like this
[13:39:59 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> which don't load their own standalone templates
[13:40:16 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> when upgrading to a new versin
[13:40:20 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> version
[13:40:23 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> my typing is terrible today
[13:44:27 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> azeckoski_: here's an example of the old one https://github.com/fluid-project/infusion/blob/infusion-1.2.1/src/webapp/integration-demos/sakai/html/pager-site-setting.html#L147-158
[13:44:53 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski_> ah
[13:45:12 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski_> ok, it looked like some classes changed
[13:45:29 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> so you can see that we don't use the "flc-pager-pageLink-disabled" anymore
[13:55:41 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski_> yeah, looks like were still using some fl-pager classes also
[13:55:45 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski_> those are used anymore either
[13:55:54 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski_> those are NOT used anymore I mean
[13:57:50 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski_> oh wait, yes they are
[13:57:58 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski_> but we had them in our html for some reason
[13:58:07 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski_> and it seems they are inserted dynamically
[14:25:39 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski_> ok, changing around the classes seems to have fixed everything up
[14:25:40 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski_> thanks
[14:25:41 CDT(-0500)] <azeckoski_>
[15:08:35 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> cindyli - I am looking at http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4397 now
[15:09:07 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Is it mainly justin who knows things about the causes/reasoning behind this, or do other people know too?
[15:16:41 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> mlam is probably familiar with it, too, Bosmon
[15:16:53 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> mlam!
[15:16:56 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Speak!
[15:17:00 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[15:17:08 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> how's that for impressive, eh, mlam
[15:18:29 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> hello
[15:18:30 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> ha, Bosmon, sorry, i was in another conversation
[15:20:02 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> Bosmon: I'm trying to recall....but the reason for the flicker/delay is that we need the panel to be visible in order for us to calculate the initial text size
[15:20:41 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> i'm not familiar with this issue but i rmb justin mentioned to instatiate the sliding panel as the first for the iframe to scroll up.
[15:20:54 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> mlam - the initial text size of what, and for what purpose?
[15:20:56 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> might as one of the approaches for this issue
[15:22:15 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> I believe the initial text size of the model of the UIO in the iframe, so that when we open the panel, we can match the text size to the page
[15:22:33 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> hmm....
[15:23:01 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I guess I should just try to instantiate it at another time, and see what goes wrong....
[15:23:28 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I mean, when you say, "match the text size to the page"..... shouldn't that just be done by using the same UIEnhancer config as the page is using?
[15:23:53 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> that's the extent of the issue that I know of. if the panel wasn't visible first, we weren't able to properly calculate the text size.
[15:24:37 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Can you point me to some point in the code where it is doing this calc?
[15:26:10 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> Bosmon: I don't know the state of UIO right now as the code has changed so much ...i can take a quick look to see.... there should be a sub-component of UIO called textSizer I think
[15:26:20 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> ah ok thanks, I'll take a look
[15:28:31 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Ah, perhaps it is this stuff in UIEnhancer
[15:28:33 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> fluid.uiEnhancer.getTextSize = function (container) {
[15:28:33 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> return parseFloat(container.css("font-size"));
[15:28:33 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> };
[15:29:00 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> fluid.uiEnhancer.textSizer.set = function (times, that) {
[15:29:00 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> if (!that.initialSize) {
[15:29:00 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> that.calcInitSize();
[15:29:00 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> }
[15:29:21 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> fluid.uiEnhancer.textSizer.calcInitSize = function (that) {
[15:29:21 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> that.initialSize = fluid.uiEnhancer.getTextSize(that.container);
[15:29:21 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> };
[15:29:55 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Do you think so?
[15:30:04 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> Yah, that's the one
[15:30:28 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> Bosmon: fyi, there are 2 initial calculations: text size and line spacing.
[15:30:47 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: I was doing the dishes the other night...
[15:31:04 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> And something struck me about my experience with UI Options in WordPress
[15:31:06 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> i can't remember exactly, but when the panel is hidden, the initialSize is undefined
[15:31:19 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> if you remember the tail end of my post to fluid-work about it, I talked about performance being pretty bad
[15:31:25 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> mlam - that sounds reasonable - I think we should be able to resolve this
[15:31:29 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> Bosmon: I've got to run, but let me know if i can help tomorrow
[15:31:40 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> but, as I thought more about it, I realized that it was probably a classic performance/user experience situation
[15:31:46 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> great!
[15:31:57 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> i was timing when the page was "done" by waiting for the panel to do its thing
[15:32:00 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> it would open up
[15:32:05 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> it would be all weird and blank
[15:32:10 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> and then eventually it would roll up and go away
[15:32:15 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> i was counting in my head
[15:32:22 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes, resolving that aspect will improve the UX of the situation somewhat
[15:32:27 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> "one mississippi, two mississippi"
[15:32:31 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But I suspect we will still conclude in the end, that it is "unacceptable"
[15:32:34 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> it felt like as much as 3-5 seconds
[15:32:45 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> if the thing stays out of the way and is relatively asynchronous
[15:32:48 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> it should be just fine
[15:32:54 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> let's find out
[15:33:16 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> It will certainly be better than a poke in the eye
[15:34:02 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> iFrames do indeed load their content asynchronously, right?
[15:34:10 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> which may well be an advantage here
[15:34:17 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> if the thing is rolled up and out of the way
[15:34:22 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> yes
[15:34:31 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> i remember one of the problems with Sakai's iFrames were the reverse problem
[15:34:39 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> the page would look "done" but have all these empty panels
[15:35:35 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> And there's no "were" about it
[15:35:40 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> This is still the only version of Sakai in production