fluid-work IRC Logs-2011-08-19

[09:12:15 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> hey heidi are you her?
[09:12:20 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> heidi_*
[09:12:35 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana heya!
[09:12:50 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> did you look at my emails?
[09:13:06 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> yep i just got them
[09:13:11 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> i'll dble check the auto-play issue
[09:13:18 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> so?
[09:14:00 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> ok
[09:14:14 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> so I've found what's wrong with the menu and why it's not selectable
[09:14:21 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> but I've got a problem
[09:14:38 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> what is causing problem in the focusout event on the menu
[09:14:54 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> cause as soon as you select a radio it is sent
[09:15:13 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> so I don't really know how to do
[09:15:17 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana yeah when i turned off stylesheets there was something going on with that button when i hovered/moved away
[09:15:55 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> that may be the mouse out evet
[09:15:57 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> *event
[09:16:03 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> not the focusout
[09:19:24 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> so do you have an idea how I could do when to make the menu hide when you actually leave the menu?
[09:19:32 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> heidi_: ?
[09:20:34 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana i would say make it so that a button opens the menu, and either a selection or using that button again closes it.
[09:20:59 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> a selection?
[09:21:06 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana choosing a language
[09:21:15 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> ho ok
[09:21:33 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> well a selection is not a good idea
[09:21:41 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> cause as they are radios
[09:21:56 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> the fact of navigating through them select them
[09:22:21 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana what's the url to your demo again?
[09:22:21 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> so that would make the menu close everytime you try to select
[09:22:27 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> http://royalgiz.fr/videoplayer/html/VideoPlayer.html
[09:22:32 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> ah, i see
[09:22:45 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> heidi_: btw try a screenreader with the sliders now
[09:22:49 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> it's much better
[09:22:54 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> ah good, will do
[09:23:03 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> the only thing is that it doesn't seem to update
[09:23:31 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> heidi_: it's a bit hard to explain just tell me when you've tried it
[09:23:55 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> k
[09:28:19 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana is there a way to make the keyboard move the scrubber by increments, but keep the mouse to be fine-tuned? how is it calculating the jump now? percent?
[09:28:35 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> yes
[09:28:57 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> it's 5%
[09:29:53 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> and I reread the doc
[09:30:03 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> and it doesn't seem to be possible
[09:30:19 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> http://jqueryui.com/demos/slider/
[09:36:22 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> heidi_: it's actually really annoying! I didn't see: The full specified value range of the slider (max - min) needs to be evenly divisible by the step.
[09:36:56 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana i wonder then if it'd be best to keep the steps small, and add jump fwd/back buttons for keyboard
[09:37:33 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> well there's a keyboard control (maj+right or maj+left) that do big jumps
[09:38:44 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> but I can also had these buttons if necessary
[09:45:05 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> .is it me or without a screen reader safari doesn't really like us using tabs?
[09:46:02 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana what do you mean?
[09:46:23 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> well try safari and to navigate with the tab key
[09:52:38 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana works for me. can't remember you might need to set it as a preference
[09:52:53 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> yes
[09:52:53 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> a
[09:52:54 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> n
[09:53:15 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> sorry and can you also access the scrubber with this way?
[09:53:31 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> cause I can't on firefox and safari
[10:03:12 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> heidi_: hey sorry had an issue with my laptop had to restart
[10:03:39 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana i can access the scrubber w keyboard yes
[10:04:17 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> ok then I guess it's my laptop whose got wrong setting up...
[10:04:47 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> so do you think I should had those 2 buttons fast forward and fast rewind??
[10:06:03 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> heidi_: did you have time have a quick look at the doc?
[10:08:09 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana do you think it would be more accessible to add those buttons?
[10:08:19 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> haven't looked at doc yet - is it finished?
[10:08:45 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> heidi_: it's not finished but it's on it's way
[10:08:54 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> well advanced I would say
[10:09:00 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana did you want me to read it when it's done or now?
[10:09:15 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> heidi_: whenever you have time
[10:10:07 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana let me know when you're done with it and i'll read it over and give comments
[10:10:16 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> heidi_: considering the buttons I think that users would either be able to use a mouse
[10:10:30 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> or would try with the keyboard shortcuts
[10:11:07 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> I think adding more buttons would make it more painfull for a user only using keyboard
[10:11:08 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> okay - are the shortcuts mentioned on the player anywhere? a help link might be useful with that info
[10:11:20 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> yes
[10:11:44 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> I was thinking adding a button that would create a message box
[10:15:44 CDT(-0500)] <harriswong> Hi, i will be stepping away for an hour. Here is my standup update, i have been working the ATutor IMS, trying to improve its validation speed as well as fixing the errors the online validator gives.
[10:16:54 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana cool
[10:25:00 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana when i use the full screen button with keyboard, i should be able to hit it again and go back to normal, but it seems the focus moves after i use that button, so i have to find it again
[10:26:14 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> gonna have a look
[10:26:56 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> huslage did you get my email about mailing list?
[10:27:16 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> oh yeah heidi_ sorry it got buried.
[10:27:20 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> thanks for reminding me
[10:27:25 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> cool np
[10:31:59 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> heidi_: will you be the admin of that list?
[10:32:13 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> huslage is that something we can change easily later?
[10:32:15 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> if so, sure
[10:32:22 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> yes
[10:32:49 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> huslage cool. i'll be on mat leave starting sometime in oct so will have to remember to switch that
[10:33:49 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> stand-up dudes?
[10:51:51 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana so how are you wanting to the subtitle language to work. also how will it look if there are 30 languages
[10:52:00 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> the menu
[10:52:34 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> well it will make a list
[10:52:47 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> might a bit big with 30 languages indeed
[10:54:57 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> heidi_: but it's radio buttons so you just select the one you want
[10:55:08 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> do you think like a select would be better?
[11:04:43 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana i'm not sure what is the best way - how does universal subtitls do it?
[11:05:09 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> as I do
[11:05:09 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> also needs to be a keyboard accessible solution, right now that's still an issue
[11:05:17 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> yes true
[11:05:39 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> do you mean shortcuts?
[11:05:53 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> cause it works with tabs and arrows
[11:06:07 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> you go on it and then you use left/right to change
[11:10:31 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana i can open the menu but can't select a language w keyboard
[11:13:33 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> try it now after a refresh
[11:13:37 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> it should work
[11:13:44 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> with the left/right arrow
[11:15:18 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> heidi_: ?
[11:15:35 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> k i'll try
[11:17:21 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana it works now, tho it's still very strange... left/right isn't intuitive (feels like it should be up/down), and closing it by going back to the weird ^ icon seems tricky
[11:17:37 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> is the info area accessible? read by screen reader?
[11:19:17 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> heidi_: I haven't checked that I will have a look just freshly added it
[11:20:06 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> no it's not
[11:20:22 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> I'm going to have a look on how to fix that
[11:21:31 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> heidi_: about the closing it's a little hard it's what I told you earlier
[11:21:42 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> about the focus leave
[11:21:57 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> right, i'll think about it
[11:22:11 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> heidi_: if you have got any idea please tell me
[11:22:23 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> heidi_: I'm sorry I've got to go...
[11:22:36 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> if ever you find any other thing please email me
[11:22:41 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> okay - chat soon
[11:22:43 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> will do
[11:22:46 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> thx for helping me raising all these issues
[11:22:51 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> send me the url to your docs when you're done!
[11:22:55 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> np
[11:22:58 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> yes I will
[15:08:25 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> hey colinclark i'm here
[15:11:29 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> hey huslage
[15:11:41 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ok, let me poke around on the server and see what I'm up against
[15:11:43 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> gimme one sec
[15:11:48 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> ok
[15:13:29 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ok, it looks like I will need your super powers, huslage
[15:13:37 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> hokay
[15:13:43 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> The ant installation is at /usr/share/ant/lib
[15:13:52 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> This is on build.fluidproject.org
[15:13:57 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> k
[15:14:14 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> wait, this is a very bizarre installation of ant
[15:14:16 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> what is this?
[15:14:27 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> man
[15:14:29 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> bizarre installation. hm
[15:14:32 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> what is the problem?
[15:14:38 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Well, okay
[15:14:54 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> take a look at the "files" in that directory
[15:15:03 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> they're all symlinks to "../../java"
[15:15:14 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> meaning, there is a shared directory full of jars
[15:15:24 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> yeah
[15:15:35 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> that's the normal debian thing i think
[15:15:38 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Really?
[15:15:56 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Ant by default ships with all its jars self-contained
[15:16:07 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> yeah debian are strange monkeys
[15:16:08 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> but I guess this was a way of avoiding having multiple copies of the same jars installed in various places
[15:16:12 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> yes
[15:16:20 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> and avoids dependency hell
[15:16:23 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> apparently
[15:16:25 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> anyway
[15:16:28 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> what jar you want in there?
[15:16:32 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> This actually seems like a worse dependency hell
[15:16:40 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> but yes, you're right to ask "what is your point?"
[15:16:44 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> i don't make the rules. they are yes...stupid
[15:16:47 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark>
[15:16:59 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> So, for Ant, I need Rhino 17R3
[15:17:02 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> debian and stupid/baffling often times go together
[15:17:04 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> which you can find the jar for in...
[15:17:25 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> well, what's the easiest?
[15:17:28 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I can give you a download URl
[15:17:33 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> ok
[15:17:36 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> or I can point you to a copy of the jar which ships with Infusion
[15:17:44 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> sitting in the continuum user's home directory
[15:17:45 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> which is easier?
[15:17:54 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> ok that's better
[15:18:01 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> because it's already there
[15:18:04 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I must be a sysadmin's most annoying nightmare here
[15:18:17 CDT(-0500)] <huslage> nah
[15:18:26 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> lemme just get you the path
[15:19:05 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> fine then