fluid-work IRC Logs-2011-08-15

[12:38:08 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Interesting thread as Firefox threatens to go versionless:
[12:38:11 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.usability/browse_thread/thread/fe75ec92c02be934
[12:43:43 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: It really is part of the trajectory they started with Firefox 5
[12:44:01 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> With our next release, we're going to be treating Firefox as if it were versionless
[12:52:07 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark, Bosmon: i think i heard FF6 is out tomorrow
[12:52:27 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> My current browser claims to be 6 without any other qualifiers
[12:52:34 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> so I guess perhaps the Beta channel already has it
[12:53:04 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I have to confess I am one of those statistics that DaveG counts as "horrible", who is on 3.6 and has failed to upgrade
[12:53:12 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> It seems this is the last version that didn't auto-upgrade too
[12:53:23 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> yes, you're right Bosmon
[12:53:36 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> why haven't you bothered to upgrade?
[12:53:51 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> It's not really a matter of not bothering
[12:54:07 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Until I hear strong evidence that Mozilla has targetted excessive memory usage by FF, I am sticking here...
[12:54:57 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I still like the slogan of "oldversion.com"
[12:55:01 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> "Because newer isn't always better"
[12:55:27 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[12:55:36 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Firefox 4 really was a fantastic upgrade, in my mind
[12:55:39 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> it's substantially faster
[12:55:43 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> the memory issue is not apparently worse
[12:55:55 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> and, as you know now, Firefox 7 will be the target of the first round of huge memory savings
[12:56:00 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> so you've got another six weeks or so
[12:56:03 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I look forward to that
[12:56:29 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Especially with a tiny bit of tweaking, FF really is such a great browser
[12:57:00 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> jameswy and Justin_o are big advocates of one of the other browsers
[12:57:02 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> the clunky one
[12:57:09 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess you're still in Opera most of the time, Bosmon?
[12:57:16 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I've become quite fond of the Chrome process model... it makes a lot of sense to me, especially on an "unlimited memory" desktop machine
[12:57:30 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I think I would want to run FF on a laptop where memory and CPU were in slightly shorter supply
[12:57:51 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> My Opera windows are being gradually cannibalised by Chrome windows
[12:57:51 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> With no tweaking at all, Safari is an awesome browser, colinclark!
[12:57:57 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> sure
[12:58:08 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> if you like boxy clunky browsers, jameswy
[12:58:08 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I have 124 Chrome windows right now...
[12:58:24 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I had a big purge yesterday where I managed to save 20 of them
[12:58:28 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> wow
[12:58:36 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I went through a Firefox tab purge last week
[12:58:41 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> It took me about two hours
[12:58:51 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> now, that wasn't just clicking the "x" box repeatedly
[12:59:03 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> but I had probably something on the order of 75-100 tabs open
[12:59:09 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Wow, that is a lot
[12:59:14 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark, Bosmon: I can't imagine how usefull tabs are when they scroll off your screen
[12:59:21 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> and, interestingly enough, I mostly didn't notice Firefox's terrible memory inefficiency
[12:59:24 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> Bosmon: Do you find it difficult to manage that many browser windows/tabs? How do you find what you're looking for? How do you keep them organized?
[12:59:29 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> only when sleeping my laptop, which would take 15 seconds or so
[12:59:30 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> safari has a nice new reading list feature.. which i think is a better implementation
[12:59:43 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Oh, right. Like Instapaper?
[12:59:46 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> jameswy - I have one icon for each window in my OS taskbar...
[12:59:50 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: they sort of aren't useful once you have to start scrolling
[12:59:58 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> Bosmon: You're nuts.
[13:00:02 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> jameswy: You should watch him some time
[13:00:02 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> colinclark - I find that FF is extremely bad in long-running processes
[13:00:05 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> it's very, very bizarre
[13:00:11 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I have to restart the FF on my laptop every couple of days
[13:00:15 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> that's interseting
[13:00:20 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess I quite Firefox fairly often
[13:00:23 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> not because I have to
[13:00:26 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> but because I switch profiles
[13:00:32 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Interesting
[13:00:37 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> what's pretty remarkable about it is that it doesn't take long to restart and bring back all my tabs
[13:00:46 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> at least with FF5, it's pretty quick
[13:00:57 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Hmm, Chrome seems to have succeeded in auto-updating itself overnight
[13:01:07 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> yes, it does that
[13:01:09 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yesterday I had got up to the level of "orangey-red arrows" again
[13:01:15 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> we told you about the mysterious VM we had
[13:01:20 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> which hadn't been opened in months
[13:01:30 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Which I think is something like "level 4 autoupdate anger" from Chrome
[13:01:34 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> but still mysteriously had the latest version of Chrome on it by the time we started it up and checked the version
[13:01:44 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Level 1 being just a green exclamation mark
[13:02:05 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But I wonder why it bothers with the anger signals at all, if it can autoupdate
[13:02:49 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Perhaps the version that was rolled out overnight also included a new and more powerful auto-update scheme...
[13:03:41 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I am getting CATTT auto-update anger now...
[13:03:48 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I guess he wants to be auto-updated with some CATT FFOOD
[13:05:28 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> auto-update in progress!!
[13:10:44 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark>
[13:49:21 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> A great image of a FOX in a STUMP...
[13:49:23 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-download-firefox-6-2011-8
[13:49:40 CDT(-0500)] <athena> awww it's cute
[13:57:18 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Looks like huslage has skipped out
[13:57:29 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I'm getting a DNS failure on all of the IDRC machines again
[13:57:48 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> It may be an OCAD issue...
[13:58:10 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Github is loading incredibly slowly for me
[14:00:31 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I got disconnected from the IDRC chat too
[14:01:00 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> Justin_o, anastasiac: have you managed to untangle the repo yet?
[14:02:47 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> poof. There goes my 10 minute upload to the wiki.
[14:03:24 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Things seem to have stabilized again
[14:03:30 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: can you access the wiki or JIRA now?
[14:03:54 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes, they are back now
[14:03:59 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[14:04:05 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ocad network burp, I guess
[14:04:35 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled, I've submitted a new pull request. Justin_o is reviewing
[14:04:55 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Wiki still seems to be down. Anyone else confirm?
[14:05:13 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> thx anastasiac
[14:05:17 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> It's working for me from here, jhung
[14:05:36 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> thanks bosmon.
[14:05:38 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I guess you need to wait to be "burped"
[14:06:07 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> works for me, too
[14:06:11 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> that firefox in the log is really cute
[14:06:23 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> looks a bit like an orange version of athena's dog
[14:06:27 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> with big ears
[14:08:57 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> the deploy scripts for the Infusion Builder are the insanest thing I've ever encountered
[14:13:52 CDT(-0500)] <athena> lol
[14:14:27 CDT(-0500)] <athena> yes, maelström is a little foxlike some days - though now a really, really big fox
[14:16:24 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I can imagine
[14:36:31 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Wow, you have a pet with an umlaut
[14:36:33 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> How cool is that
[14:36:50 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Do they sort of float above his eyebrows?
[14:37:23 CDT(-0500)] <athena> i assume it floating right over his head must be why he's so spastic and pouncy . . .
[14:37:33 CDT(-0500)] <athena> though yes, he's a really terrific test user
[14:37:54 CDT(-0500)] <athena> uportal may have to have a maelström test user someday just to help us check character encoding issues
[15:07:44 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> cindyli, am I correct in understanding that the UI Enhancer does NOT do options munging, only UI Options?
[15:12:45 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> correct, anastasiac
[15:13:12 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> thanks, cindyli. Are there any plans to convert UIEnhancer to munge options?
[15:14:06 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> anastasiac: what UIEnhancer options you feel should be munged?
[15:14:12 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> defaultSiteSettings?
[15:14:30 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> right, cindyli
[15:14:45 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> it's available at the top level, but not via the method of options munging
[15:15:24 CDT(-0500)]

[15:15:32 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> That's interesting
[15:15:53 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Is there no way to access defaultSiteSettings through the component's arguments?
[15:16:35 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> Bosmon: do u mean the 2nd component's argument - options?
[15:16:44 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> yes
[15:16:52 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes, I mean that argument
[15:17:18 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> right now, defaultSiteSettings can be provided as an regular option
[15:17:29 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Ok, well that's fine
[15:17:37 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> We only need munging in the case options are not stably accessible
[15:18:02 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> agree