fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-03-13

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[10:44:35 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> fj4000: turning on larger links is implemened in UI Options. I haven't implemented turning them off yet
[10:44:43 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> awesome
[10:44:57 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> should I update now?
[10:45:26 EDT(-0400)] * jessm just watched early NeXT on the link that dbolter sent – early WWW looked an awful lot like UI Options / FSS!
[10:48:40 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ha
[10:48:47 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I'll have to check it out
[10:49:10 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> fj4000: it was committed last night so if you've updated today then you've already got it
[10:49:24 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> wonderful
[10:49:32 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> michelled: it was actually UI Options, rich text edit + FSS!
[10:49:42 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> cool
[10:49:49 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> everything old is new again (wink)
[10:49:56 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> alas
[10:50:02 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> jessm do you have a link?
[10:50:10 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> it was a live webcast
[10:50:26 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> oh wait, I have it
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[11:11:12 EDT(-0400)] <athena> hey colinclark - are you ok with me adding what i have so far of a twitter portlet to jasig svn?
[11:11:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> hey
[11:11:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i've been so terrible with email this week
[11:11:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yes, totally
[11:11:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> the question of how to manage the javascript side of the code base will be sort of interesting...
[11:11:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> since i'd be happy for you or anyone else to work on it
[11:12:19 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah, i wasn't sure if there was a place where we could all collaborate on it
[11:12:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we have also been figuring that Flutter would make a pretty good code base for examples and tutorials on the Infusion framework
[11:12:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> so how to share it is a good question...
[11:12:36 EDT(-0400)] <athena> if there isn't a place where we all have commit access, we should probably do something about that
[11:12:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yeah
[11:12:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> trying to think what we should do
[11:12:51 EDT(-0400)] <athena> and yes, i think it would be a fantastic example
[11:12:55 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i'm not sure, but i'm open to ideas
[11:13:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we could probably move it to jasig, and then just fork it for examples and the like
[11:13:17 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i'm sure we could enable collaboration in the jasig sandbox if that made sense
[11:13:18 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
[11:13:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> and just try to sync it up regularly
[11:13:27 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i think i have most of the backend done
[11:13:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> or our examples could just point at it in jasig's svn
[11:13:34 EDT(-0400)] <athena> it's great to finally have something using the code eric wrote
[11:13:36 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> cool!
[11:13:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> that's awesome
[11:13:42 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
[11:13:48 EDT(-0400)] <athena> it just needs to get hooked up to the javascript
[11:13:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> cool
[11:13:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we should do that
[11:14:03 EDT(-0400)] <athena> there's a couple changes we'll need, but i don't think it should be anything major
[11:14:04 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
[11:14:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> what changes?
[11:14:29 EDT(-0400)] <athena> well, for one thing, i think we want to actively specify the URL for each of the twitter services
[11:14:37 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> right
[11:14:49 EDT(-0400)] <athena> the pattern eric laid out basically consists of sending an action request to a portlet url
[11:15:07 EDT(-0400)] <athena> that action request can then access the user's portlet preferences, storing or retrieving things as necessary
[11:15:27 EDT(-0400)] <athena> then forward from that to a servlet than can return JSON or whatever other response you like - in this case, the proxied twitter feed
[11:15:32 EDT(-0400)] <athena> so specifying the urls
[11:15:45 EDT(-0400)] <athena> and also it'll probably be a lot easier if we do POST instead of GET
[11:16:30 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i believe any GET URL parameters would have to be properly re-portletized using the portlet:param tag
[11:17:12 EDT(-0400)] <athena> of course we'll also want to be able to inject the user credentials into the flutter object if the user's set their name and password in the past - not sure if that's there already
[11:17:26 EDT(-0400)] <athena> and we need to make sure all the element IDs get namespaced
[11:17:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yep
[11:18:07 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i think that's most of it, though (smile)
[11:18:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i was thinking that we should perhaps even just completely avoid the use of element IDs
[11:18:17 EDT(-0400)] <athena> that'd be even better
[11:18:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I removed all of them in Flutter except for one place...
[11:18:28 EDT(-0400)] <athena> awesome
[11:18:51 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i figure once everything's working, we can take a look at the interface and see what changes make sense in a portlet environment
[11:18:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I do some fairly rudimentary "data binding" in the HTML... pushing friend IDs into id attributes on the associated element.
[11:19:00 EDT(-0400)] <athena> but i'm more interested in getting it all hooked up first
[11:19:10 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
[11:19:26 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> As of last night, we've split off the Infusion data binder from the rest of the renderer...
[11:19:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It just uses jQuery.data() to store bindings between the data model and DOM elements
[11:19:50 EDT(-0400)] <athena> oh, interesting
[11:19:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So that would completely remove the need for ids.
[11:19:56 EDT(-0400)] <athena> very cool!
[11:20:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So I figured I'd hook that up when I get a spare moment.
[11:20:06 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah that'd be fantastic
[11:20:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> The JavaScript has two other bugs on my mind...
[11:20:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 1. The profile picture and name never get updated... it's always me
[11:20:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> (tongue)
[11:20:31 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah i noticed that (smile)
[11:20:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 2. We need scrolling in the friends and tweets column
[11:20:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Those'll be really easy to add
[11:20:46 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
[11:21:17 EDT(-0400)] <athena> especially in a portlet environment, we really don't want a list of 100 people!
[11:21:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> (smile)
[11:21:28 EDT(-0400)] <athena> we may need to think about cutting down on the width a little as well
[11:21:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I was actually thinking about a "lower profile" UI for Flutter
[11:21:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yes
[11:21:45 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i suppose if we had to we could just using the images and put a tooltip there to show the names, or something
[11:21:49 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah that'd be neat
[11:21:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> As I start to play around with technologies for Fluid Engage, I was also thinking of an iPhone version...
[11:22:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> which would have similar constraints in terms of screen real estate
[11:22:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i've got some ideas
[11:22:07 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ooooh yes
[11:22:24 EDT(-0400)] <athena> could always do just a merged list of status updates, rather than separating it by friend
[11:22:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yes, true
[11:22:42 EDT(-0400)] <athena> so is some of that url / credentials stuff already configurable?
[11:24:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> one sec, sorry
[11:24:43 EDT(-0400)] <athena> sure
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[11:41:13 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> athena: EricDalquist: quick, uninformed question – logistics on Flutter seem on the table --> is there any reason we should think deeply about where this lives or is it simply a technical-convenience issue?
[11:41:50 EDT(-0400)] <athena> at the moment, i think it's very much technical convenience - i'd love to have everyone interested be able to collaborate
[11:42:37 EDT(-0400)] <athena> longer term, if we add it to uportal it might make some sense to have it in the jasig repository, but i don't think it's a requirement
[11:43:01 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i could see an argument for maybe someday combining some of the social networking portlets we have into a single facebook/twitter/whatever portlet
[11:43:08 EDT(-0400)] <athena> EricDalquist, you have any opinions?
[11:48:49 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> not much of an opinion
[11:48:59 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> somewhere that everyone who works on it has commit access
[11:57:01 EDT(-0400)] * colinclark is back.
[11:57:27 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> These logistical questions are so awkward...
[11:57:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> there's probably no right solution.
[11:57:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm happy to host it in Fluid's repository if that is somehow helpful...
[11:57:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm also happy to work with it in the Jasig repostiory.
[11:58:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I just think it's wicked that we're working on it together.
[11:58:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> (smile)
[11:58:29 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> athena: As for your question about url/credentials...
[11:58:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It's sort of partially configurable at the moment.
[11:59:00 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah i'm really happy to be working together too
[11:59:10 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> athena: if there is a sandbox already that would easily accomplish the "everyone interested collaborating" then that sounds great
[11:59:23 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ok
[11:59:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> If you take a look at Twitter.js..
[12:00:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/sandbox/jquery-workshop/trunk/server/fluid-twitter/src/main/webapp/shared/js/Twitter.js
[12:00:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> You'll see this URLFactory thing, which is a pluggable means to generate URLs to the server.
[12:00:38 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ok, i saw that
[12:00:43 EDT(-0400)] <athena> so do we just need a new one of those?
[12:01:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> probably
[12:01:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> What does the new URL scheme look like?
[12:01:58 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i haven't bothered to look at the urls (smile) but ugly portlet ones
[12:02:04 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> aha
[12:02:15 EDT(-0400)] <athena> with the interesting stuff in the post
[12:02:31 EDT(-0400)] <athena> right now i have it looking for a "page" parameter, where page might be something like "friends" or "statuses" or whatever
[12:02:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> aha, ok
[12:02:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i believe it should be fine with a new urlfactory
[12:03:04 EDT(-0400)] <athena> no need to put the credentials in the request, since once they're saved, the portlet can pull those from the preferences
[12:03:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> cool
[12:03:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> so there is an event we fire...
[12:05:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/sandbox/jquery-workshop/trunk/server/fluid-twitter/src/main/webapp/flutter-infused/FlutterInfused.js
[12:05:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> onSaveSettings(username, password)
[12:06:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We could wire that up to an Ajax call that will post the username and password to the portlet.
[12:06:35 EDT(-0400)] <athena> sounds perfect
[12:06:39 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i was kind of hoping that was the case
[12:07:02 EDT(-0400)] <athena> it sounds like we're not too far from being able to tie all this in together
[12:07:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> awesome
[12:07:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i'm excited
[12:07:50 EDT(-0400)] <athena> me too (smile)
[12:08:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> athena: btw, i agree with your point to Erik about continuing on
[12:08:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> He's right that schools might not want to put it into production yet
[12:08:20 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
[12:08:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But switching to OAuth won't take much work when it is all in place.
[12:08:32 EDT(-0400)] <athena> and we should probably put a warning on it that it might not work indefinitely without an upgrade
[12:08:33 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
[12:08:37 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i think it'll all be fine
[12:08:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And in the meantime, we get a good Ajax portlet example and a good example of Infusion in action.
[12:08:48 EDT(-0400)] <athena> and when that switch happens, i'll be more than happy to have his help updating it
[12:08:50 EDT(-0400)] <athena> definitely
[12:08:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yep, totally
[12:09:11 EDT(-0400)] <athena> it's nice to be able to point to a real thing, rather than saying "uhhh yeah we have all these recommendations and we think they work in theory, so good luck!"
[12:13:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> (smile)
[12:13:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yeah, i share that feeling
[12:13:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok, off to a meeting
[12:16:25 EDT(-0400)] <athena> cya!
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[13:12:15 EDT(-0400)] * Topic is 'todays topic brought to you by the letter "e" and the number 3' set by ecochran on 2009-03-13 13:12:15 EDT(-0400)
[13:20:50 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> correction to the link i posted at standup
[13:20:57 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> www.signlinkstudio.com
[13:22:03 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> but what I'm documenting is a cms which includes web pages, forums and vlogs intended for someone using signlink studio (or just video postings).
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[15:29:59 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> fj4000, which fss class should I be using to style inputs larger?
[15:30:12 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> let me have a look
[15:30:45 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I think the same as the link one
[15:30:51 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> .fl-text-larger
[15:30:56 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> right on the input
[15:31:13 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> oh, cool - thx
[15:31:19 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> question for you
[15:31:27 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> do you think the effect is obvious enough?
[15:31:35 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> or should it be a little more drastic
[15:36:11 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> funny you should ask - Justin_o was just saying it was very subtle
[15:36:18 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> it should probably be more obvious
[15:37:34 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> fj4000: ^
[15:37:51 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> Justin_o: thanks
[15:42:34 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> fj4000: can I ask you about the UI Options dialog
[15:42:43 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> fire away
[15:43:26 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> just wondering about the "Apply changes" , "Undo Changes", "Reset changes" at the top of the dialog
[15:43:43 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac wondered about that, too
[15:45:23 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> 0
[15:45:35 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> sorry... wrong keyboard (sad)
[15:46:19 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> Justin_o: I was thinking either we could bind the behaviour we have for the buttons onto those links too, or just get rid of them
[15:46:30 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> the idea was to make it look more like an integrated widget
[15:46:44 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> rather than this floating, disembodied interface
[15:47:01 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay....
[15:47:29 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> you may want to check in with michelled and gary... i guess we should only have one set when bug parade roles around
[15:47:42 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I can get rid of it quickly for now
[15:48:35 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> If want to talk to them first about it, that's fine with me... bug parade doesn't start till tuesday so you have a little bit of time
[15:56:35 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> Justin_o: the progress indicators fly!!!!!
[15:56:39 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> when did that happen?
[15:56:52 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I just updated the today
[15:57:29 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> Justin_o: it's awesome!
[15:57:38 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thanks
[15:58:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> all through the magic of infusion
[16:11:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Here's a bit of the code we were talking about for your progress indicator component tree: http://www.pastie.org/415615
[16:15:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Progress bar subcomponent options defaults: http://www.pastie.org/415624
[16:20:29 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: And here's how we instantiate something as a subcomponent: http://www.pastie.org/415627
[16:21:07 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> fj4000: can you clean up the markup I just committed?
[16:21:18 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I added the underline and bold options for links
[16:21:25 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I will have a go
[16:21:27 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> but they are all showing on the same line
[16:21:29 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks
[16:22:19 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> michelled: for uioptions.html?
[16:22:23 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> or is there something more?
[16:22:32 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> just uioptions.html
[16:29:11 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> michelled: we need to discuss the "no background images" strategy
[16:29:33 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> meaning?
[16:30:06 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I put a new and enhanced way we could do this in FSS, resulting in a bit of a better experience
[16:30:37 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> instead of just eliminating background images, we could also seek and destroy the graphic-enhancement class name too
[16:30:46 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> resulting in a nice graphics-less fallback
[16:32:34 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> plus, we need to think about how to handle .fl-icon-* class names
[16:32:53 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> but I think I could handle that myself
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[16:47:51 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> michelled: there is a class structure for graphics for small FSS templates that always ends with "-enhanced" ... do you think you can toggle that on and off depending on whether or not background images is turned on or off?
[16:50:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I'm just chatting with Daphne...
[16:50:41 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac listens
[16:50:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We're figuring that it might be nice to have rich text and dropdown inline edit features on the build page.
[16:50:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And of course, your idea of icons for component status would be really helpful.
[16:51:38 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> did you mean "featured" i.e. with a d? i.e. add links to the demos?
[16:52:16 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> fj4000: sorry, stepped away for a moment
[16:52:26 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes, that is certainly doable.
[16:52:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: A link on the demo page
[16:53:12 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> michelled: great
[16:53:15 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> fj4000, can you create a JIRA for it so it doesn't slip through the cracks?
[16:53:20 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> maybe we can chat monday about this?
[16:53:22 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> will do
[16:53:24 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sure
[16:54:37 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ecochran I just noticed the topic. (tongue) I might add
[16:54:55 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: glad that you enjoyed it
[16:55:01 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> (smile)
[16:55:13 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> colinclark: done
[16:55:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> awesome
[16:55:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> you rule!
[16:55:23 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> unless you're sticking your tongue out at me
[16:55:31 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> oh, wait - not quite done
[16:56:03 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> michelled: lets discuss fluid-2350 next week
[16:56:04 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> nope (smile)
[16:56:13 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sounds good fj4000
[16:56:26 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> have a good one everyone!
[16:56:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fj4000: See you on Monday
[16:56:48 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok, now it's done
[16:57:52 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> regarding icons, I was hoping some designers might come up with some ideas (smile)
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[17:11:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: There's one particular person I have in mind when it comes to icons.
[17:11:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But he's gone from the channel now.
[17:11:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> The fj4000
[17:11:32 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> monday
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