fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-10-22

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[06:57:02 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> Morning, Svetoslav (tongue)
[07:02:11 EDT(-0400)] <sveto> hi there (smile)
[07:23:08 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> I am Antranig - I work on the core framework for Fluid. I am currently visiting the UK...
[07:30:55 EDT(-0400)] <sveto> hi Antranig, it's good to have someone in our timezone, I
[07:31:37 EDT(-0400)] <sveto> 'll be working on Engage or Decapod, still have to decide, but I'm more orientated towards Engage
[07:38:08 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> Ah cool
[07:38:14 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> Well, I will not be in your timezone for long
[07:38:19 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> Although I have been in England, this month I have moved to Boulder, Colorado
[07:38:47 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> Although in fact, my mother grew up in Bulgaria until she was 25 (tongue)
[07:38:47 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> I wonder if you have been to Plovdiv...
[07:39:49 EDT(-0400)] <sveto> (smile) sure, I'm born in Sofia, but I've been to Plovdiv, have a friend from there
[07:41:40 EDT(-0400)] <sveto> so you have bulgarian descendency or just a connection?
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[12:01:44 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> crark!
[12:02:14 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> "crark?" is that a new Antranigism? I haven't heard that one before?
[12:08:35 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> I guess it might be the noise of a crow, or a Raven
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[12:09:17 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> Perhaps the learned Gornahoor Harharkh, who comes from Saturn...
[12:09:52 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> "When this subsequent essence-friend of mine, Gornahoor Harharkh, was informed of what was required of him, he invited us by a sign to approach one of the special appliances which he had made and which, as it later turned out, was named by him 'Hrhaharhtzaha.'
[12:12:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Bosmon2: Hey!
[12:12:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Are you quoting Gurdjieff again?
[12:14:53 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> (smile)
[12:14:59 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ummm, the "special" appliances!
[12:15:06 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> Yes
[12:15:15 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> In my pursuit of the Omnipresent Okidanokh
[12:15:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> (smile)
[12:15:30 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> What's going on?
[12:15:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Bosmon2: If you find yourself with any spare time today, do you feel like researching the Common JS proposals for File and Binary?
[12:16:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We're still considering adding these to Kettle for Decapod and for a replacement server for Uploader. It'd be good to have a recommendation on which one to implement.
[12:16:39 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> OK
[12:16:43 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> Let me look at that
[12:16:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> As for goings on, Engage 0.1 passed QA yesterday!
[12:16:52 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> Awesome!
[12:17:02 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> A framework, FIT FOR A KING!
[12:17:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So we're ready to release. I will write a readme file today, and we're working on getting fluidengage.org setup.
[12:17:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> (smile)
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[12:17:45 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> At least, if a KING is someone who eats yoghurt all day....
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[12:18:40 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> O KING, LIVE FOREVER!
[12:32:16 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> OK... looking at the Binary proposals, Friesen's is much the best
[12:32:43 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> Unlike the others, he has given some thought to semantic consistency, and also doesn't have silly methods like cross-charset transcoding
[12:32:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Cool
[12:32:57 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> It is called "Binary/C"
[12:33:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok, great
[12:33:25 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> Although I would suggest a slight refinement of his "slice" method that gives the option to create a "Blob view" onto shared storage
[12:33:30 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> But we can think about such details later
[12:33:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok
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[12:34:29 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> He has the abstract "concept" of a "Sequence", which is good
[12:35:00 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> But underlying semantic issues of whether operations actually allocate new storage or not is something that library designers often like to skirt over, in their contracts...
[12:35:49 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> But as people are finding with things like the STL, you simply can't ignore these kinds of "out of band contracts", for example on the expected order of complexity of an operation
[12:50:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Bosmon2: For Decapod, we'll also need the ability execute OS commands as well. Something equivalent to Python's os.command() function.
[12:50:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Any thoughts on that?
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[13:46:00 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: ping
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[15:36:52 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> colinclark: There does appear to be a "System" proposal which is where this functionality one would think would go
[15:36:57 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> http://wiki.commonjs.org/wiki/System
[15:37:07 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> If it was there, I would imagine it would be called "exec"
[15:37:13 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon2> But it does not yet seem to have been proposed
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[16:04:27 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> jessm: yes?
[16:04:50 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: we've got a few server-end things coming up – maybe we two can chat about what is on the horizon?
[16:05:15 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> need colinclark and michelle on that one too i think
[16:05:25 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: ok
[16:05:34 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: are you around next week?
[16:05:46 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> you'll be at OSA right jessm?
[16:06:02 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: yeah, and on the 7th Monday and Tuesday
[16:06:14 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> perfect, we can all meet in person
[16:06:27 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: Tuesday work for you?
[16:06:50 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> i have to be at ldao that afternoon for privacy stuff
[16:07:05 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> morning until 12pm on tuesday is ok
[16:07:09 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: michelle is out on monday and is all booked up on tues. until 3:30
[16:07:24 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> we can surely get something figured out by noon!
[16:07:48 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> sure
[16:07:54 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> we'll make it tuesday morning then
[16:08:03 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: great
[16:08:05 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> see you then
[16:08:12 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> ok
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[16:54:01 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> yura1, can you point me at the JIRA for the "collect this artifact" functionality we talked about?
[16:55:41 EDT(-0400)] <yura1> anastasiac: i think it is related to the ticket colinclark mentioned in the last email : http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/ENGAGE-163
[16:56:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac, yura1: yep, that's it
[16:56:11 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> cool - thanks
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