fluid-work IRC Logs-2010-03-24

[14:42:55 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: ping
[14:43:09 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> oops, already pinged him
[14:43:15 EDT(-0400)] * jessm is losing her mind
[14:43:26 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> anyone seen jamon?
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[14:55:11 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> jessm: hi
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[14:55:45 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: hiya – just digging into some CFI stuff
[14:55:53 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> can we set up a skype chat about it all?
[14:56:54 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> jessm: one sec
[15:08:57 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> jessm: iris is leaving tomorrow i think, maybe see if she can find time tomorrow and let me know?
[15:09:21 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: you'd rather do it with her there too then?
[15:09:25 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: sounds good
[15:09:28 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> for sure
[15:11:25 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: k, is it ok if i ping you tomorrow – she wants me to check in on how her day is going in the a.m.
[15:11:38 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> sure, i think i'm around all day tomorrow
[16:04:00 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> yura, fj4000: i'm going to be going offline now.. i've committed some changes to the nav list (updated the unit tests, and added the model transformation functionality)
[16:04:48 EDT(-0400)] <yura> justin_o: thanks,
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[16:17:09 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> awesome, thanks
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[16:38:16 EDT(-0400)] <thomas_> hi everybody
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[16:47:21 EDT(-0400)] <tmb> About the Google Code repository...
[16:47:34 EDT(-0400)] <tmb> for DECAPOD
[16:47:46 EDT(-0400)] <tmb> Right now, we have one repository for the server and the pdf generation
[16:48:05 EDT(-0400)] <tmb> I just got an E-mail from Joost, and it would probably be better to split the repositories
[16:48:25 EDT(-0400)] <tmb> so there would be separate repositories for the DECAPOD server (that makes it easy for you to sync with)
[16:48:26 EDT(-0400)] <tmb> a
[16:48:34 EDT(-0400)] <tmb> and the PDF generation
[16:48:58 EDT(-0400)] <tmb> the main effect on you would be that instead of doing an "hg update" to get the updates for the PDF generation, you'd need to clone again
[16:49:09 EDT(-0400)] <tmb> any problems with that?
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[16:54:49 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> why split it? unless there are a ton of massive updates, what does cloning accomplish?
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[16:57:02 EDT(-0400)] <tmb> if the repositories are together, updates and changes need to be synchronized
[16:58:04 EDT(-0400)] <tmb> the new cloning doesn't accomplish anything, it's just necessary
[16:58:10 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> oh so development of the two doesn't need to proceed in lock step with each other?
[16:58:16 EDT(-0400)] <tmb> yes
[17:06:48 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> what about named branches?
[17:07:28 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> then checkout/clones don't take forever
[17:07:46 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> (depends on current and future size of repository i guess)
[17:11:01 EDT(-0400)] <tmb> branches work differently in Mercurial and Subversion
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[18:20:44 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> michelled: ^
[18:21:00 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> tmb: not sure michelled saw this but it's logged, so she will!
[18:21:32 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks jessm - I missed some while traveling but I'll read it in the logs
[18:21:52 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> michelled: cool, see yous tomorrow – i'm heading into the rain for a dog extravaganza
[18:22:40 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sounds like fun
[18:22:52 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> you missed the giant snowflakes over here
[18:22:59 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> almost the size of snowballs
[18:23:12 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i'm done with precip
[18:23:15 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> laterz
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[04:02:58 EDT(-0400)] <tmbdev> Just a brief note: we won't be able to use TIFF as an intermediate format; in addition to its usual problems, libraries have trouble with TIFF files greater than 2Gbytes (and those happen with book scans).
[04:09:09 EDT(-0400)] <joost> ok
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[04:34:22 EDT(-0400)] <thomas____> hi everybody!
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[09:04:42 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> mpcutter, did the TIFF come through okay?
[09:05:51 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> This one http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ANF1RK6S ?
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[09:08:34 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> yep.
[09:09:19 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> They're not the best examples. but we were hoping to at least be able to generate a straight image PDF.
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[09:10:08 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> We hope that the latest version on googlecode (pushed in a few minutes) should deal with it correctly.
[09:11:43 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> You can pull it now and try it out.
[09:13:35 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> ok.
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[09:18:34 EDT(-0400)] <jameswy> justin_o: What's the release/testing schedule looking like for 0.3?
[09:19:41 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jameswy: end of the month
[09:20:28 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jameswy: although we didn't exactly plan time for the release/testing so it may actually stretch a bit into april
[09:20:46 EDT(-0400)] <jameswy> justin_o: Okidoki.
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[09:35:50 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> mpcutter: getting "sh: ocro2pdf.py: not found", even though located in current working directory.
[09:36:28 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> Did you run "sudo python setup.py install" first?
[09:37:38 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> Nope. I didn't see that documented anywhere.
[09:37:43 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> Running it now...
[09:42:28 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> error creating OCR working directory
[09:42:28 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> /home/decapod/deca-images/: File exists
[09:42:28 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> [info] selecting (new) BookStore
[09:42:28 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> [info] found 0 pages
[09:42:28 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> FATAL: no pages found
[09:47:16 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> mpcutter: the above error when I run decapod-genpdf.py -d ~/deca-images/ -p ~/myPdf.pdf
[09:47:42 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> rm -r deca-images
[09:47:47 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> then run again
[09:48:11 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> also, try running with -v 1 for more debugging output
[09:52:37 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> deca-images is what I'm specifying for the -b option. Contains the tiff files.
[09:53:34 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> oh
[09:53:49 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> I added a readme that was some how missing in googlecode
[09:54:15 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> (sorry, I meant -d option, not -b option)
[09:55:23 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> try some like decapod-genpdf.py -d ~/temp/ -p ~/myPdf.pdf -b ~/deca-images -v 1
[09:58:47 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> it worked!
[09:59:05 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> I was using the -d option incorrectly. It wasn't clear to me from the -help output.
[09:59:42 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> But at least I have a PDF now with all the pages. Thanks michael.
[09:59:54 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> Alright, then we should change the help message.
[10:00:13 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> Which part was confusing?
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[10:01:26 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> Just slightly. To me the -d option sounded like I can specify a directory as input with tiffs contained inside, and -p would output all those tiffs into a single PDF.
[10:02:38 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> Perhaps clarifying that -d is for and that it shouldn't be the same as what is specified for -b
[10:04:26 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> Did you get a chance to look at the new readme?
[10:04:52 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> I added an example which should make things a little more clear.
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[10:08:15 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> yura1: i'm going to start looking into the jquery upgrade stuff
[10:08:16 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> mpcutter: I did an hg pull and there weren't any updates. The readme just tells me which parts to get from the repository.
[10:08:56 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> hmmm, there should be a file in src dir called README
[10:09:23 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> https://genpdf.decapod.googlecode.com/hg/src/README
[10:09:34 EDT(-0400)] <yura1> justin_o: alright, i think i found the way to make sure scrolling works in browsers and does nothing on iphone, unfortunately I cant seem to figure out the solution for iphone
[10:09:51 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> ah. hg does not recurse into sub directories? I did hg pull from within the genpdf directory and got an update
[10:10:37 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> Great.
[10:12:43 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> yura... okay... that's a good start... you may want to show the behaviour of the scrolling to anastasiac, erin, and jameswy to make sure that the desktop behaviour is appropriate
[10:12:55 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> mpcutter: When I rerun genpdf with a different tiff as input, the pdf generated shows pages from the previous genpdf execution.
[10:13:15 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> I needed to delete the temp directory before it worked properly. Is this expected?
[10:13:40 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> Yes
[10:14:07 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> the script does not delete any files
[10:14:17 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> ok. Good to know. Is this going to change or should the UI handle clean-up?
[10:15:34 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> I think it would be better if UI handled it.
[10:16:08 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> ok.
[10:16:25 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> I'm going to try the stitching now. Anything I should know before installing and running it?
[10:16:48 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> The reason being is we might want to support users who want to try rerunning clustering, or generate a different type pdf. And if we delete the temp/ dir then all of the ocropus steps will have to be rerun each time.
[10:17:30 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> Sorry, I have not had anything to do with the stitching code.
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[10:19:44 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> Re: not deleting temp directory. Makes sense to me. Perhaps we can take advantage of that to optimize performance if user edits some images and tries to re-export the pdf.
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[10:26:27 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> Jhung_linux, I also provided a -S option for running clustering on the same images in order to reduce redundant processing.
[10:27:43 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> After you have clustered the images onces and want to tweak clustering parameters you can add -S and the running time will decrease.
[10:28:33 EDT(-0400)] <mpcutter> We can discuss it further during the telco at 5pm today
[10:29:33 EDT(-0400)] <jhung_linux> Interesting. Thanks for letting me know about that. Especially useful for slower machines.
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[11:44:10 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac, michelled, etc: one other thing that has changed are the names of the files for jquery ui and qunit
[11:45:30 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> i thinking about switching to the new names, because they ui files have new depencies now anyways... so people using the individual js files would have to make changes anyways...
[11:45:34 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> any thoughts?
[11:47:35 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> justin_o, right! I noticed the new file names for ui...
[11:47:40 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'd forgotten
[11:47:54 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I think it makes sense to use the new names
[11:48:06 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> justin_o: I think that even though it's a pain now it will pay off to switch to the new names
[11:48:48 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> thanks... i'll work with the new names then
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[12:51:19 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> michelled: testData/capturedImages/Image1-thumb.jpg
[12:51:24 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thx
[12:52:27 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> http://docs.python.org/library/os.path.html look at os.path.split()
[13:15:26 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> justin_o, have a moment?
[13:15:32 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> sure
[13:15:42 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> so, im writing some docs for mFSS
[13:15:48 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> okay
[13:16:06 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> and im wondering - we built it with the Engage target platforms in mind
[13:16:15 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> those being Android and iPhone
[13:16:22 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> yes
[13:16:44 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> im going to write this in the docs, that anything else is a crapshot at the moment
[13:16:54 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> yes... that makes sense
[13:17:09 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> but im wondering, ultimately, will it be made to support other mobile platforms?
[13:17:25 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> or is mFSS development halting along with engage?
[13:17:36 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> since that was its main driver
[13:18:27 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> fj4000: that's a good question... don't know for sure... although since other people like uPortal have started to use it... i would imagine that it would not necessarily be halting...
[13:18:34 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[13:18:40 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> i guess the question of support will be more dependent on what it will be used for
[13:18:49 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[13:18:51 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> or who/what needs it
[13:19:10 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> i guess i will just have to make it clear what it supports today
[13:20:58 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> fj4000: i think that should be adequate...
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[13:59:45 EDT(-0400)] <tmb> Just wanted to say... I'm online now.
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[14:16:03 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> heads up for an upcoming kiosk dev/design walkthrough 12 PM Vancouver, 3 PM Toronto, 8 PM Barcelona/Paris on Breeze (http://breeze.yorku.ca/fluidwork) today
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[14:16:37 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> fj4000: jameswy justin_o michelled yura and everyone else ^