fluid-work IRC Logs-2010-03-03

Owned by Fluid IRC Log Bot
Last updated: Mar 03, 2010Version comment
7 min read

[09:27:30 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> Michelled, colinclark: I'm going to commit sveto's patch for ENGAGE-339 which fixes the My Collection uni tests. It is currently on our list of tasks to do for this week
[09:28:20 EST(-0500)] <michelled> great!
[09:34:48 EST(-0500)] * boyan (~boyan@62.44.108.2) has joined #fluid-work
[09:40:13 EST(-0500)] * boyan (~boyan@62.44.108.2) has joined #fluid-work
[09:41:46 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> yura, michelled: just did a quick google search and found this site http://maccessibility.net/iphone/apps/
[09:41:59 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> it may be useful as a reference
[10:01:53 EST(-0500)] * boyan (~boyan@62.44.108.2) has left #fluid-work
[10:02:57 EST(-0500)] * clown (~clown@142.150.154.101) has joined #fluid-work
[10:28:02 EST(-0500)] * colinclark (~colin@142.150.154.101) has joined #fluid-work
[10:48:00 EST(-0500)] * colinclark (~colin@142.150.154.101) has joined #fluid-work
[10:51:24 EST(-0500)] * athena (~athena@wsip-72-215-204-133.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #fluid-work
[11:10:22 EST(-0500)] * colinclark (~colin@142.150.154.101) has joined #fluid-work
[11:31:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Hey jhung
[11:31:21 EST(-0500)] <jhung> hey.
[11:31:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Two days in a row--looks like most of us will miss standup again today
[11:31:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Can you run things with whoever is able to make it?
[11:31:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We're just in a meeting right now
[11:31:45 EST(-0500)] <jhung> k. Will let people know
[11:40:55 EST(-0500)] * elicochran (~elicochra@dhcp-169-229-212-43.LIPS.Berkeley.EDU) has joined #fluid-work
[11:45:46 EST(-0500)] * colinclark (~colin@142.150.154.101) has joined #fluid-work
[12:25:54 EST(-0500)] * colinclark (~colin@142.150.154.101) has joined #fluid-work
[12:42:51 EST(-0500)] * athena7 (~athena@wsip-72-215-204-133.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #fluid-work
[12:58:44 EST(-0500)] * jameswy (~anon@132.216.51.153) has joined #fluid-work
[13:02:12 EST(-0500)] * michelled (~michelled@142.150.154.101) has joined #fluid-work
[13:02:27 EST(-0500)] * colinclark (~colin@142.150.154.101) has joined #fluid-work
[13:19:55 EST(-0500)] * Bosmon (~a@c-67-162-132-230.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #fluid-work
[13:37:51 EST(-0500)] * colinclark (~colin@142.150.154.101) has joined #fluid-work
[13:51:00 EST(-0500)] * athena7 (~athena@wsip-72-215-204-133.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #fluid-work
[14:06:37 EST(-0500)] * elicochran (~elicochra@dhcp-169-229-212-43.LIPS.Berkeley.EDU) has joined #fluid-work
[14:41:42 EST(-0500)] * michelled (~michelled@142.150.154.101) has joined #fluid-work
[15:19:35 EST(-0500)] * athena7 (~athena@wsip-72-215-204-133.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #fluid-work
[15:48:07 EST(-0500)] * Bosmon2 (~amb26free@174-29-110-66.hlrn.qwest.net) has joined #fluid-work
[17:18:48 EST(-0500)] * clown (~clown@142.150.154.101) has left #fluid-work
[17:57:49 EST(-0500)] * athena7 (~athena@wsip-72-215-204-133.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #fluid-work
[19:25:21 EST(-0500)] * michelled (~michelled@CPE001310472ade-CM0011aefd3ca8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #fluid-work
[19:35:22 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac (~team@142.150.154.193) has left #fluid-work
[19:44:43 EST(-0500)] * Bosmo1 (~Bosmon@eccr224-158-dhcp.colorado.edu) has joined #fluid-work
[20:36:58 EST(-0500)] * jhung (~Lynnette@H41.C195.cci.switchworks.net) has left #fluid-work
[06:56:23 EST(-0500)] * christianv (~anonymous@ginger.caret.cam.ac.uk) has joined #fluid-work
[07:45:08 EST(-0500)] * michelled (~michelled@CPE001310472ade-CM0011aefd3ca8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #fluid-work
[07:57:01 EST(-0500)] * michelled (~michelled@CPE001310472ade-CM0011aefd3ca8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has left #fluid-work
[08:00:29 EST(-0500)] * christianv (~anonymous@ginger.caret.cam.ac.uk) has joined #fluid-work
[08:01:58 EST(-0500)] * michelled (~michelled@CPE001310472ade-CM0011aefd3ca8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #fluid-work
[08:05:15 EST(-0500)] * christianv (~anonymous@ginger.caret.cam.ac.uk) has joined #fluid-work
[08:17:33 EST(-0500)] * michelled (~michelled@CPE001310472ade-CM0011aefd3ca8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #fluid-work
[08:32:00 EST(-0500)] * Justin_o (~Justin@142.150.154.171) has joined #fluid-work
[09:33:02 EST(-0500)] * EricDalquist (~dalquist@2607:f388:e:0:221:9bff:fe37:e768) has joined #fluid-work
[09:36:37 EST(-0500)] * yura (~Fluid@142.150.154.164) has joined #fluid-work
[09:37:20 EST(-0500)] * jhung (~Lynnette@H41.C195.cci.switchworks.net) has joined #fluid-work
[09:49:43 EST(-0500)] * athena (~athena@ip72-208-30-180.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #fluid-work
[09:51:00 EST(-0500)] * jameswy (~anon@132.216.51.153) has joined #fluid-work
[10:00:01 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac (~team@142.150.154.193) has joined #fluid-work
[10:06:46 EST(-0500)] * athena (~athena@ip72-208-25-102.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #fluid-work
[10:11:35 EST(-0500)] * clown (~clown@142.150.154.101) has joined #fluid-work
[10:22:44 EST(-0500)] * athena7 (~athena@ip72-208-30-180.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #fluid-work
[11:01:00 EST(-0500)] * athena (~athena@ip72-208-25-102.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #fluid-work
[11:02:25 EST(-0500)] * athena7 (~athena@ip72-208-30-180.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #fluid-work
[11:02:52 EST(-0500)] * athena7_ (~athena@ip72-208-25-102.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #fluid-work
[11:04:00 EST(-0500)] * jameswy (~anon@132.216.51.154) has joined #fluid-work
[11:12:50 EST(-0500)] * colinclark (~colin@bas2-toronto09-1176394708.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #fluid-work
[11:14:08 EST(-0500)] * michelled (~michelled@CPE001310472ade-CM0011aefd3ca8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #fluid-work
[11:47:49 EST(-0500)] * athena (~athena@wsip-72-215-204-133.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #fluid-work
[12:40:06 EST(-0500)] * michelled (~michelled@142.150.154.101) has joined #fluid-work
[12:55:46 EST(-0500)] * athena7 (~athena@wsip-72-215-204-133.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #fluid-work
[13:00:22 EST(-0500)] * colinclark (~colin@142.150.154.101) has joined #fluid-work
[13:02:10 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> http://ie6funeral.com/
[13:04:09 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: Will you be paying respects on behalf of Fluid?
[13:05:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Are you gonna go?
[13:24:05 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It looks like the funeral is largely full already (smile)
[13:24:28 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Btw, I sent our accessibility complaints about JIRA and Confluence to ATKINS, my friend who works for Atlassian in Amsterdam
[13:24:33 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> He pointed me at this JIRA
[13:24:39 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> http://jira.atlassian.com/browse/CONF-7460
[13:24:57 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Admittedly Atlassian's response is poor, having left this for 3 years now
[13:25:14 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> But he wondered if we could suggest a more accessible replacement to JCaptcha
[13:33:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Everett could definitely suggests ones he likes.
[13:33:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The problem with CAPTCHAs is that they just kind of suck
[13:33:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I mean, spam sucks, too
[13:34:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> One of the common solutions for CAPTCHA "accessibility" is to provide an audio equivalent
[13:34:05 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark, Bosmon: speaking of span, we've been getting it in jira comments too now (sad)
[13:34:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But it would still prove to be a serious barrier for someone who neither sees nor hears particularly well
[13:35:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And, as we have experienced ourselves, CAPTCHAs often require awfully subtle perceptual distinctions
[13:35:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I regularly fail CAPTCHAs
[13:46:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> hey Bosmon
[13:47:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o is curious about what the maven-rsf-plugin is
[13:47:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and which repository it can be found in now that RSF has moved into Fluid-land
[13:50:27 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Hi all... the maven-rsf-plugin is a thing which lets you deploy WARs to a container in a way which is not insane
[13:51:20 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Where insane is something like the way the "Maven Cargo Plugin" behaves
[13:51:33 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It should be in all the repositories that RSF stuff was always in
[13:52:22 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: seems that the repository that was used for the Flutter app before, no longer has it or maybe the repository has changed or something
[13:52:39 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> http://www2.caret.cam.ac.uk/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/
[13:52:42 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> For example it is in here
[13:52:48 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: thanks
[13:54:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Engage+Mobile+App+Development
[13:54:15 EST(-0500)] <michelled> thx
[14:03:50 EST(-0500)] * athena7 (~athena@wsip-72-215-204-133.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #fluid-work
[14:11:55 EST(-0500)] * yura1 (~yura@user149-86.wireless.utoronto.ca) has joined #fluid-work
[15:43:42 EST(-0500)] * Justin_o (~Justin@142.150.154.171) has left #fluid-work
[15:54:29 EST(-0500)] * yura2 (~yura@user149-86.wireless.utoronto.ca) has joined #fluid-work
[15:57:50 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Hello michelled, O PEIX!
[15:59:22 EST(-0500)] * clown (~clown@142.150.154.101) has joined #fluid-work
[16:02:39 EST(-0500)] <michelled> hello Bosmo1
[16:03:22 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> A useful output I need from the build thinger is a list of all the things which are included in the condensed file...
[16:03:35 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> A JSON array of strings, in the format that we have for kettleIncludes?
[16:05:57 EST(-0500)] <michelled> Bosmo1: In order to have the build thinger ready for tomorrow I'm doing something rather hacky that I expect we'll change for 0.3 final. I have an ant property that is a comma separated list of the files that I am concatenating.
[16:06:18 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> michelled: That's great... if you can send that along some point, I can start to work with it
[16:07:01 EST(-0500)] <michelled> baseInfusionFiles=lib/jquery/core/js/jquery.js,lib/json/js/json2.js,framework/core/js/Fluid.js,framework/core/js/FluidDOMUtilities.js,framework/core/js/DataBinding.js,framework/renderer/js/fluidParser.js,framework/renderer/js/fluidRenderer.js,lib/fastXmlPull/js/fastXmlPull.js
[16:07:01 EST(-0500)] <michelled> baseEngageFiles=framework/js/iPhoneChromeless.js,framework/js/engageClientUtils.js,framework/js/loadData.js,components/navigationBar/js/NavigationBar.js
[16:07:14 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Thanks, that's great
[16:07:26 EST(-0500)] <michelled> np
[16:07:40 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Why is jquery not in that list?
[16:07:44 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Oh I see it
[16:07:44 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Sorry
[16:08:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: Is this the base profile, or the "everything that is loaded more than once" profile?
[16:08:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Should I whip through the pages and determine which other things need to be included?
[16:08:23 EST(-0500)] <michelled> it is the base profile colinclark
[16:08:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: Ok
[16:08:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So I'll check
[16:08:31 EST(-0500)] <michelled> thanks
[16:08:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I figure we should probably include NavList and Cabinet, if nothing else
[16:08:38 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> We were speculating about putting guestbook and its deps in
[16:08:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ah, yes
[16:08:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmo1: What do you think?
[16:08:49 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> There are a number of kettle utilities too
[16:08:53 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> kettleCore needs to go into that list
[16:08:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> kettleCore should be in that list. Did I forget it?
[16:09:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> AHA
[16:09:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: you wouldn't know this...
[16:09:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> but engageClientUtils.js doesn't actually exist anymore
[16:09:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> oops
[16:09:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok, I suck
[16:09:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> let me update these now
[16:09:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmo1: hold on one sec before you do anything with those (smile)
[16:09:34 EST(-0500)] <michelled> thanks colinclark
[16:09:54 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I'm still working on getting the MyEngage.js file built
[16:12:40 EST(-0500)] * jhung (~Lynnette@H41.C195.cci.switchworks.net) has left #fluid-work
[16:13:40 EST(-0500)] * elicochran (~elicochra@dhcp-169-229-212-43.LIPS.Berkeley.EDU) has joined #fluid-work
[16:16:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmo1: Quick question?
[16:25:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmo1, michelled: This is a draft of the updated list of shared dependencies
[16:25:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Engage+Mobile+App+Development
[16:25:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm gonna go through each page and correct redundant imports
[16:26:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and then do some testing with guestbook vs. no guestbook included in this list
[16:26:48 EST(-0500)] <michelled> thanks colinclark
[16:29:48 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> colinclark: Hi
[16:29:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I no longer have a question
[16:34:31 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Cool
[16:34:39 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> EricDalquist: I have managed to screw up our repository again (smile)
[16:34:59 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> I uploaded one of those RSF artefacts with the kind of POM that the repository manager doesn't recognise
[16:35:14 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> I wonder, if you have access to the underlying raw filesystem, you could rename the directory....
[16:35:42 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> http://developer.jasig.org/repo/content/repositories/fluid-m2/uk/org/ponder/ponderutilcore/%24%7Bponderutilcore.version%7D/ - the last path segment should actually read /1.2.4B/
[17:22:39 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> heh, Bosmo1 I'll see if I can get to it this afternoon
[17:22:56 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> one thing I had emailed the fluid folks about a while back is hosting issues
[17:23:08 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> jasig is working on re-figuring out our hosting
[17:23:15 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> and we're likely moving to a hosted solution for maven
[17:23:35 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> which means fluid will be on their own for a maven repo (we can do redirects indefinitely)
[17:23:53 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> specifically we're looking at https://docs.sonatype.com/display/NX/OSS+Repository+Hosting
[17:23:59 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> which I'm sure would be able to do it for fluid too
[17:24:06 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> just that someone from fluid will have to handle it
[17:32:30 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> Bosmo1: there isn't an easy way for me to rename it
[17:32:32 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I can delete it
[17:32:41 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> but that's my only option
[17:32:49 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> without spending more than a minute or two on it
[17:35:55 EST(-0500)] * clown (~clown@142.150.154.101) has left #fluid-work
[17:36:40 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> OK - thanks - EricDalquist - do you know if there is any way I can get at the JAR which is presumably in that dir, before it is trashed? (tongue)
[17:36:49 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> I don't happen to have a copy of it here...
[17:36:54 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> ah
[17:36:56 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> let me see
[17:43:52 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> mv needs to support regex and grouping (tongue)
[17:45:03 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> Bosmo1: http://developer.jasig.org/repo/content/repositories/fluid-m2/uk/org/ponder/ponderutilcore/1.2.4B/
[17:45:08 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> download the jar and the pom
[17:45:10 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> then let me know
[17:45:10 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Oh, thanks so much
[17:45:16 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> you'll need to redeploy it
[17:45:23 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> since the hashes and the pom are hosed still
[17:45:28 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> so once you have it
[17:45:31 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Ah yes, so they are
[17:45:32 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I need to delete that directory
[17:45:54 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> you should be able to grab the jar and pom then fix the pom and redeploy
[17:46:33 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Ah, odd
[17:46:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so Bosmo1, in case you are curious...
[17:46:40 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> The repo seems to be serving the jar with type text/plain....
[17:47:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> my testing has shown that no page seems to take longer than about 1/2 a second on an iPhone 3Gs before showing the user that something is happening
[17:47:41 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> colinclark: Pretty awesome (smile)
[17:47:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and pretty much everything is fully and beautifully rendered in under a second
[17:47:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> App takes about 5 seconds to load, even with guestbook in the mix
[17:48:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Interestingly, my slower iPhone takes nearly twice that time to start the app
[17:48:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i expect that some of this is still due to excessively large images, so in the gallery it'll be even faster
[17:48:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and this is before concat/minify
[17:49:06 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> (smile)
[17:49:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Honestly, on my phone, this now feels like any other native application
[17:49:33 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> (smile) (smile)
[17:49:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And once we add the loading spinner for 0.3 final, that'll help a bit too
[17:49:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> since, in an ajax world, this is easy