fluid-work IRC Logs-2010-03-25
[14:17:02 EDT(-0400)] <yura> jessm: sorry , i have jutta's class till 4 <EricDalquist> $.param( ) returns
[14:17:08 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> oh right
[14:17:10 EDT(-0400)] <yura> 
[14:18:58 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: thanks for the reminder
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[14:54:34 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so jQuery's param() function has some funny array handling
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[14:54:48 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> startDate=01/01/2009&endDate=03/03/2010&statsGroups[]=0&statsGroups[]=1&statsGroups[]=2&interval=5
[14:55:02 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> anyone know how to get it (or some other API) to generated the following instead?
[14:55:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> startDate=01/01/2009&endDate=03/03/2010&statsGroups=0&statsGroups=1&statsGroups=2&interval=5
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[15:04:47 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> from the breeze channel
[15:04:50 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> EverettZ: hiya
[15:04:53 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> Kiosk overview:
[15:04:54 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Kiosk+design+overview
[15:04:54 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> Kiosk UI wireframes (draft 5):
[15:04:54 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/download/attachments/13403285/fe_kiosk_d5_wireframes.pdf
[15:05:15 EDT(-0400)] <EverettZ> jessm: thanks
[15:05:32 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> EverettZ: well, I should thank you for your patience with how awful Breeze is
[15:08:32 EDT(-0400)] * jessm is in the Breeze channel watching a Kiosk walkthrough btw. devs. and designers: http://connect.yorku.ca/fluidwork – all are welcome
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[15:29:29 EDT(-0400)] <EverettZ> jessm: What considerations are made in the design for individuals who are uncomfortable with technology?
[15:31:46 EDT(-0400)] <EverettZ> jessm: Has / will design testing be done with users who are uncomfortable with technology?
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[15:35:38 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> for those only in IRC – the answer is Yes!
[15:35:43 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> enthusiastically
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[15:42:28 EDT(-0400)] <EverettZ> jessm: jameswy From an accessibility perspective html/js/css is the best option, as html is natively accessible and complex UI components (widgets) can be more easily made accessible than with a platform specific UI toolkit.
[15:46:07 EDT(-0400)] <thomas_> EverettZ: hi, have you reviewed the book designing with progressive enhancement?
[15:48:31 EDT(-0400)] <EverettZ> thomas_: Not yet, just found a reasonably accessible copy through Safari Online. And conveniently it's free through TorontoPublicLibrary.
[15:51:25 EDT(-0400)] <thomas_> EverettZ: great, i'd be interested in hearing your thoughts
[15:52:32 EDT(-0400)] <EverettZ> thomas_: If I review formally or informally it will be mentioned on my twitter account @ezufelt
[15:53:36 EDT(-0400)] <EverettZ> jessm: I would definitely use this. Not only does an accessible kiosk mean inclusion to the kiosk experience, it makes information accessible to persons with different disabilities which otherwise might not be accessible.
[15:54:34 EDT(-0400)] <EverettZ> jessm: I would say that from the designs that have been discussed, I don't see any barriers to making the kiosk accessible, not withstanding some significant challenges.
[15:57:36 EDT(-0400)] <alisonbenjamin> EverettZ: what accessibility challenges would we have to address in the future? It might be good to include these in the documentation we are producing right now about our designs.
[15:59:12 EDT(-0400)] <EverettZ> alisonbenjamin: Some have been discussed already, linearizing a non-linear design
[15:59:47 EDT(-0400)] <EverettZ> alisonbenjamin: others being more technology specific, depending on platform, development technology and assistive technologies selected barriers to making complex widgets accessible
[16:03:50 EDT(-0400)] <EverettZ> Wow, is it hard to use a screen-reader while Breeze is running, no ability to adjust Breeze volume independent of OS volume.
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[16:07:26 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> EverettZ: that also sucks
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[16:08:45 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> EverettZ: i'm bummed to hear that about the volume. I was hoping it would work well.
[16:13:52 EDT(-0400)] <EverettZ> jessm: It works well enough. I wish I knew of a better solution than Breeze that I could recommend. I have suggested to Andrew Kirkpatrick (accessibility manager at Adobe), that in future versions of Adobe Connect (Breeze) that if Flash is used, that UI controls be external to the Flash object using dhtml.
[16:14:47 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> EverettZ, jessm, openmeeting is a FOSS equivalent, might be possible to html-ify it
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[16:21:33 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> EverettZ: i'll take a look at openmeeting
[16:22:22 EDT(-0400)] <EverettZ> jessm: I wouldn't make it too much of a priority, but it would be nice to have an accessible collaboration tool.
[16:22:48 EDT(-0400)] <EverettZ> I took a look at Alfresco the other day, very bad.
[16:22:58 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> EverettZ: i agree – we've checked out a number but haven't found any – if openmeetings is good, we'd love that
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[16:49:26 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: ping
[16:53:59 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: i'll ping again tomorrow a.m.
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[09:48:33 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: ping – can we talk at 10? – skype?
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[09:53:00 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> jess, sure
[09:53:18 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> might take me a few minutes to find a mic and set it up, but i'll be here
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[11:38:29 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: just put the action list we talked about into skype for you if it's useful
[11:40:31 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> jessm: i have notes in a terminal 
[11:40:55 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> terminal schmerminal 
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[12:54:36 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> jhung: I haven't updated ocropus -
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[12:55:10 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> jhung1: I just ran 'hg update' in the ocropus directory but nothing was updated
[12:55:26 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> jhung: are you there?
[12:55:29 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> yeah.
[12:55:38 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ok, just wanted to be sure
[12:55:50 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> Did you reinstall?
[12:56:12 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> reinstall what?
[12:56:38 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> ocropus.
[12:57:26 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> See here: http://code.google.com/p/ocropus/wiki/InstallTranscript
[12:57:55 EDT(-0400)] <joost> you have to pull first: hg pull and then hg update
[12:58:46 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks joost - that seems to be doing something.
[13:00:56 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> michelled. I just realized that I did not update the mock server with the thumbnail and stitch code.
[13:00:56 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> so after the update I need to run through the install transcript?
[13:01:14 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> just the ocropus part I think.
[13:01:18 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> Depends on what was updated.
[13:02:43 EDT(-0400)] <joost> i think it's enough juts to type "scons" and "sudo scons install" in the ocropus dir; however i mostly just run the whole script as it's just one command 
[13:04:55 EDT(-0400)] <joost> (well that's kind of misleading: it's just one command if you copied the installation script into one shell script)
[13:06:09 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ah, so it's not packaged with ocropus? you saved a copy of it that you run?
[13:06:44 EDT(-0400)] <joost> Well I didn't check if its packaged or not. I just copied it from the transcript on the ocropus website.
[13:07:57 EDT(-0400)] <joost> http://code.google.com/p/ocropus/wiki/InstallTranscript
[13:16:52 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> jhung: it looks to me like ocroswig and ocropy aren't installed on this machine
[13:17:08 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> unless you and Thomas named it something else
[13:17:21 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> had you run through the install transcript?
[13:17:38 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> I did not install ocropus on that machine. So I don't know exactly how it's configured.
[13:17:54 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> You should run through the script to be sure.
[13:18:21 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ya, I'm going to
[13:18:47 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> joost: what happens if I 'hg clone' on top of an existing clone - is it smart enough to update?
[13:19:23 EDT(-0400)] <joost> no, i think it won't do anything apart from saying "this directory already exists".
[13:52:27 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> michelled, any luck?
[13:57:25 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yep - it working now
[13:57:33 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> excellent!
[13:57:36 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks for your help