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[10:03:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fj4000: Hey, how's it going?
[10:03:56 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> heya
[10:04:13 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> just on call with Jess
[10:04:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> k
[10:04:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We've all been rushing a bit with everything for the releases. I noticed that the keyboard-a11y doc change you made is incorrect. I've filed a bug in JIRA about it: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3206
[10:05:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Let's not worry about it until after bug parade. I can lend a hand with it then.
[10:05:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fj4000: Ping me when you're off the phone; there are some Uploader issues I'd really love to get your feedback on.
[10:06:19 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> colinclark - done
[10:07:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Did you have a chance to think about the jQuery plugin bridge bug we talked about yesterday?
[10:07:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fj4000: Cool. michelled and Justin_o, are you also free to chat about Uploader with me for a few minutes?
[10:08:33 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yep
[10:09:28 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark: sorry... i was working on my other machine
[10:09:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> no worries
[10:09:34 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> sure i have a few minutes to talk
[10:10:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok, so
[10:10:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Uploader.
[10:10:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I have implemented a working fix for the Firefox 3.5 issue. For simplicity's sake, I reduced all the various branches for different browsers, and have pretty much consolidated the behaviour into one line.
[10:11:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Or, well, two lines. One for Flash 9 and one for Flash 10.
[10:11:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Here's the patch:
[10:11:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> http://issues.fluidproject.org/secure/ManageAttachments.jspa?id=13526
[10:11:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Uploader-FF3.5-fix-b.patch
[10:12:28 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So what I've done is to move to a transparent Flash movie.
[10:12:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It hovers over the real HTML browse button using absolute positioning.
[10:13:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> This patch seems to work nicely on FF 2, 3, 3.5, and IE 7 on Flash 10. And Flash 9 support is still going strong.
[10:13:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So that's the good news. Following me so far, michelled, fj4000, Justin_o ?
[10:13:30 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yes
[10:13:30 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yep
[10:13:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So the bad news.
[10:13:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm not awesome with the subtleties of CSS, so hopefully I'm missing something.
[10:14:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But absolute positioning is awfully, well, absolute.
[10:14:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So, of course, the browse button is at the bottom of the Uploader queue. As new files get added, everything shifts downwards.
[10:15:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So I had to reposition the transparent movie every time a queue event occurs, to ensure it's still floating above the button and not in the same spot all the time.
[10:15:08 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ah, so your positioning doesnt flow as needed?
[10:15:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Well, no
[10:15:37 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Since the Flash movie is sitting outside of the Uploader altogether, and it's absolute positioned, can we expect it to flow?
[10:15:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Am I missing some awesomeness?
[10:16:03 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> well.....you could be crafty but a little "dom-fascist"ic
[10:16:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Tell me more
[10:16:48 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> where if you require a non self-closing element as the html button (ie. not an <input />, rather a <button> or <a>)
[10:16:58 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> you could nest the flash movie within that button element
[10:17:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> but that's how it was before
[10:17:20 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> if the button is positioned: anything, then the flash movie can be positioned absolutely within it
[10:17:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And Flash was blowing up whenever any DOM manipulation occurred.
[10:17:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I had to move it outside of the main Uploader container because of this.
[10:17:41 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> oh, so if you manipulated the button the flash movie would asplode?
[10:17:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> No, if you manipulated anything around the Flash movie, it would explode
[10:17:59 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[10:18:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It's awfully extreme
[10:18:04 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> so nix that (sad)
[10:18:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok
[10:18:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So, this works, in that I can listen for they key queue events and move the button around.
[10:18:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But, as you have probably already thought, this is an incredibly arrogant position
[10:19:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It assumes we are the only ones on the page moving anything around (tongue)
[10:19:11 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> how about another idea?
[10:19:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fire away
[10:19:23 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok, so it may take a bit to write out
[10:19:26 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> k
[10:19:50 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> <uber wrapper for uploader>
[10:19:50 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> <uploader>
[10:19:50 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> <flash button>
[10:19:50 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> </uber>
[10:19:55 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> whereas
[10:20:03 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> uber wrapper doesnt do anything/change ever
[10:20:31 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> flash button is positioned to adhere to the bottom right hand corner (or close to it) no matter how large the uber wrapper gets
[10:20:44 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> and the uploader can grow/shrink as needewd
[10:20:47 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> *needed
[10:21:03 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> adjusting the positioning of the button via the uber wrapper
[10:21:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Well, we're close to that now
[10:21:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> To be honest, I think I'd need some help from you to see if this is feasible
[10:22:00 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> you wouldnt need js to adjust this then
[10:22:06 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[10:22:06 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> That would be ideal
[10:22:36 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fj4000: Shall I hop on the subway and we can work through it together?
[10:22:40 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yes, sure
[10:22:49 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> im swamped with the FR though
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[10:23:06 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> so it may be a little tricky....
[10:23:08 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> fj4000: do you need help?
[10:23:18 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> well, when the content comes - yes
[10:23:33 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> at the moment, im just re-doing the html framework
[10:23:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Lemme get caught up on where the FR is at, and then we'll come up with a plan
[10:23:46 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[10:23:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> give me 5 minutes
[10:23:54 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[10:36:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok fj4000
[10:36:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> you're all jessm's for the day
[10:36:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> tomorrow, we've got Uploader and the demo portal to finish
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[11:40:13 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> jessm: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3157 - please add to code review!
[11:41:14 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> laurel: roger that
[11:41:28 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> ok..will post request to the list as well
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[12:03:33 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> jessm: ENGAGE-22 has also been resolved and can be added to the needs review pile
[12:04:20 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> michelled: got it
[12:04:26 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> lots to review out there peeps!
[12:04:29 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thx
[12:13:56 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Justin_o, jessm: this JIRA needs to be added to the bug parade and made a blocker. It is about building a deployable package for engage. http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/ENGAGE-95
[12:14:36 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> michelled: k
[12:15:19 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Justin_o: is this ok with you? I can add the tag on the JIRA if so
[12:19:49 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> michelled: sorry... just grabbing my lunch
[12:19:54 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i think that sounds good
[12:22:04 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ok, I added the bug parade tag
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[13:39:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok, so I hear there is a bug in Kettle's file mounting code.
[13:39:36 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yura: Is there a JIRA ticket for this one?
[13:39:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And is this something we'll need to add to the parade to get fixed, Justin_o and jessm?
[13:41:33 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark: i think it should be added to bug parade
[13:41:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> k
[13:41:42 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> bug parade is big
[13:41:48 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i'll add it
[13:49:03 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> yeah, what's the JIRA for it?
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[13:53:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Ok, I have a couple of minor commits for building Kettle/Engage Server in Eclipse
[13:53:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It's related to, but not quite the same as http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/ENGAGE-95
[13:53:29 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Assuming the king and jessm are cool, I
[13:53:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm going to add a comment to this issue
[13:53:37 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> and commit against it
[13:53:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It's all related to getting the thing to build (tongue)
[13:54:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: ^
[13:54:34 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> um, do we have to authorize you doing good?
[13:54:44 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark: i think it's pretty close so maybe the slight modifcation... i suppose a comment would be enough...
[13:54:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> well, awesomeness is always encouraged
[13:55:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> but i just want to be open about it before i charge ahead
[13:55:04 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i suck at this king thing
[13:55:07 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jessm: I see that it was tagged... not sure if ENGAGE-95 made it onto the mail update though
[13:55:25 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> it's on standby for update 12, yet to go out
[13:55:34 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ah i see
[13:55:43 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> jessm: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3156 - ready for review in terms of accessibility - I have not styled the page, so visually it doesn't look nice, but it is accessible and can be styled later today or on monday since it isn't code that is svn.
[13:55:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So jessm, yura is filing a new issue for the Kettle file mounting bug
[13:56:09 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> In short, if we don't fix it, we will need to maintain duplicate copies of our Artifact View component's HTML.
[13:56:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> btw, you rock at the king thing
[13:56:52 EDT(-0400)] <yura> colinclark, jessm: this is the JIRA : http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/ENGAGE-96
[13:57:18 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> jessm: (let's all bug the king at the same time!!) I think that customBuild bugs are all done. You can confirm when you have a moment.
[13:58:02 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> laurel: colinclark: Justin_o: am i incorrect to consider FLUID-95 to be a customBuild bug?
[13:58:08 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> that's where i was filing it
[13:59:16 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> engage-95?
[14:00:02 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jessm: I don't think so...
[14:00:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Well, it's related to build issues, but not THE customBuild.
[14:00:14 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> it's engage
[14:00:24 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ok
[14:00:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Or, practically speaking, this a NEW customBuild
[14:00:26 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> so maybe just put it under the general category for now
[14:00:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Right, michelled?
[14:00:34 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> roger that
[14:01:45 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> is ENGAGE-96 a blocker ?
[14:01:46 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> makes sense. or we may want an infrastructure JIRA component for Engage as well
[14:02:06 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I think we have one for Infusion
[14:02:32 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> Engage-96 is a critrical under kettle
[14:03:06 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> laurel: re: done with teh customebuilder stuff – i think FLuid-3149 is still open isn't it?
[14:04:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jessm: Yura and I chatted about whether ENGAGE-96 was a blocker
[14:04:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Seems to me that if we have to duplicate code outright, it's probably a big enough bug to stop a release.
[14:04:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But I'd be easily convinced otherwise.
[14:04:28 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: Do you have an opinion?
[14:04:56 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I think there was another bug, colinclark, that was about removing the duplication
[14:05:04 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Ah, interesting
[14:05:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So we should link those two
[14:05:16 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> it's probably better to have this fine grained bug but it seems like it's already on the bug parade under another name
[14:05:26 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok
[14:05:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Finer grained is better, though we should make ENGAGE-96 a subtask of the other
[14:06:07 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/ENGAGE-34
[14:06:25 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes, and it should probably have the 3 subtasks I outlined in a comment yesterday
[14:07:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok, so there are several related JIRAs
[14:07:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> that are starting to break out as you outlined them
[14:07:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ENGAGE-34 is the umbrella
[14:07:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ENGAGE-94 and -96 are subtasks
[14:07:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> seem sensible?
[14:07:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'll make the change
[14:08:05 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes
[14:08:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we have umbrellas inside umbrellas (tongue)
[14:09:48 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> that's the way 0.1s go - we make big fuzzy umbrellas and slowly start to see the unfuzzy umbrellas as we build and design (smile)
[14:09:59 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i'm putting ENGAGE-96 as a blocker and 95 too
[14:11:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> thanks, jessm
[14:11:23 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> laurel: do you have clarity on my msg ^ "re: done with teh customebuilder stuff – i think FLuid-3149 is still open isn't it?"
[14:11:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: I am a thorough support of umbrellas
[14:11:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fuzzy ones and otherwise
[14:11:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> they help convey themes for development
[14:11:49 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes
[14:11:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> now, i'm just having a hell of a time converting everything to the right setup
[14:13:27 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I'm not sure you can have double nesting in JIRA, Justin_o do you know?
[14:13:47 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> maybe 34 should be top level and just relate to 26
[14:15:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: No, I have just discovered you can't
[14:15:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Where have I been? (tongue)
[14:20:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Ok, I've committed against ENGAGE-95 for the Kettle Eclipse build. michelled or yura, can you take a quick look at it for me? Just a two-line change.
[14:20:28 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I guess it'll have to be michelled, since she's a committer
[14:20:58 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sure, but yura should look too since he knows this code well.
[14:21:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok
[14:21:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> he looked, because he told me what to do (tongue)
[14:22:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: it's r8080
[14:22:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> change to .classpath and to JettyLauncher.java
[14:22:17 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> k
[14:31:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Anyone averse to moving Kettle's fluid.littleComponent() to the framework?
[14:32:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> A littleComponent, as a reminder, is simply a thatist object that participates in options merging.
[14:32:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Do DOM Binder, no events, etc. But merged options.
[14:32:43 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I'd like it moved
[14:32:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I've built zillions of these on the client side, so I don't see any reason not to have it right in the framework.
[14:32:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Ok
[14:32:52 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I've done options merging manually a couple times
[14:32:56 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> can someone poke laurel?
[14:33:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It's also required to successfully use ArtifactView either on the client or the server.
[14:33:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: Ok, will do
[14:33:25 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> jessm: 3149 still open, but some subtasks are not on the bug list, so it can't be completed - was asking justin_o about this process which is a bit confusing
[14:33:36 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> k
[14:33:37 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> colinclark: is the default host for kettle localhost?
[14:33:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Well, it seems to run off localhost or 0.0.0.0
[14:34:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yura attempted to explain to me what 0.0.0.0 actually refers to, but I just got confused.
[14:34:14 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> good to know - the patch looks fine
[14:34:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Thanks
[14:36:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jessm: Ok, another interesting one for you.
[14:36:26 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I need to move a function from Kettle into the Infusion framework as part of ENGAGE-94
[14:36:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So I can file a parallel FLUID- issue for this change, just so we can keep tabs on it.
[14:37:10 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> roger that
[14:39:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fluid.littleComponent(): http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3207
[14:45:03 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: Can you review my FLUID-3207/ENGAGE-94 commit?
[14:45:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Removal of fluid.littleComponent() from kettle.js and into Fluid.js
[14:45:43 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes
[16:08:25 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> michelled: is this link still current??
[16:08:29 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> http://build.fluidproject.org:8095/incubator
[16:12:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> hey proxy king jessm
[16:12:41 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jessm: with twisted crown i respond... yeah?
[16:13:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> lol
[16:13:36 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We typically have a blanket JIRA for code cleanup, linting, and tidying.
[16:13:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Kettle is rampant with stylistically awkward code
[16:14:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I wonder if there is an example of such a JIRA from a past bug parade to use as an example
[16:14:33 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i will find said thingy – standby
[16:17:42 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> colinclark, jessm: I think there's one in this bug parade for infusion and Justin_o thought it might be ok to do engage things on it too
[16:18:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: I couldn't find it
[16:18:04 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Am I crazy?
[16:18:22 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> standby – boss on final report
[16:18:23 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> laurel, yes it is current but you need an exact path if you want to see someting
[16:18:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Learning Kettle is causing my brain to rot, so I could have missed it, michelled.
[16:18:57 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> there's a JIRA for creating an index.html file that point to interesting things in incubator and scratchpad
[16:19:23 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> michelled, colinclark: i think i forgot to add a general cleanup jira for things like linting...
[16:19:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Running the Rhino debugger seems to have caused my laptop fan to freak
[16:26:04 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Justin_o: that's weird - I was sure you'd created it. I remember you asking me to check that you'd created all the general tasks and I know I looked.
[16:26:43 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i did have some for checking licences and doing other things for sure...
[16:27:04 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes, I just double checked those.
[16:27:14 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> do you want me to create the code cleanup one, or will you?
[16:27:30 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> michelled: i can do it
[16:30:19 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> michelled, colinclark, jessm: I've added a code clean up jira for bug parade http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3208
[16:30:33 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thx
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[16:31:55 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> anyone coming to standup?
[16:32:18 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> michelled: we are logging in
[16:42:37 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> does the upcoming mobile support in Fluid extend to any of the dynamic components?
[16:43:00 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I was pointed to http://m.mit.edu and their customize ui uses D&D and works fairly well on an iPhone
[16:43:07 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i think i tried the pager on my iphone and it worked
[16:50:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> EricDalquist: We're building a few new mobile-specific components
[16:50:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> for navigation, disclosure lists, etc.
[16:50:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And many of the Infusion components work pretty nicely on the iPhone at least (like Pager)
[16:51:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> At the moment, I suspect Reorderer wouldn't be so awesome on a mobile device, but it's something we could work on.
[16:51:27 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> good to know
[16:51:45 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> if we end up going down this route I'm sure Nick and/or I will be in here asking for some help with that
[16:59:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> EricDalquist: great! we're always happy to help
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