fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-01-27

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[11:02:01 EST(-0500)] <clown> Justin_o, there is a new version of IE8RC1. You can get it here: http://www.microsoft.com/ie8
[11:04:44 EST(-0500)] <clown> Oh, Justin_o is not here. I'll try the icq route.
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[11:35:35 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> clown: do you know if there is a way to tell why a page will automatically switch into compatability mode
[11:36:51 EST(-0500)] <clown> Justin_o: yes, there is a way. I can't recall the details, though. There was a page on MS's site that described when and where different modes were automatically triggered. It involves the markup on the page somehow.
[11:37:17 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay... thanks... i'll try to search around
[11:40:09 EST(-0500)] <clown> becky sent me the link a while back, but, so far, I can't find it.
[11:48:26 EST(-0500)] <clown> Justin_o: I think this is it: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc288325(VS.85).aspx
[11:48:36 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> clown: thanks
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[12:39:32 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> on that VULab tagging list thread, remember SVN branches are 'free' disk space wise, only adds/imports/commits use space
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[13:22:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark_> EricDalquist: Thanks, that's good to know.
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[13:54:35 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> clown: do you know if there is a way to force IE8 to only use a certain compatability mode... basically i don't want it to automatically switch to IE7 mode
[13:58:08 EST(-0500)] <clown> Justin_o: do you mean, regardess of the DOCTYPE or any meta tags, to override all of that and make IE8 process the page in mode X?
[13:58:23 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> yes...
[14:04:28 EST(-0500)] <clown> Justin_o: dunno. David might, but he's currently in a meeting. I'll ping him when he looks like he is free
[14:05:56 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> thanks it's no rush, i'm just curious. I want to know why a couple of our pages are causing it to switch to IE7 mode, and figure that I'll get an error or something if it is stuck in IE8... thanks
[14:06:46 EST(-0500)] <clown> Justin_o: I may have found something for you to explore. Can I come over?
[14:06:52 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sure
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[16:01:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lessthanzero: How's cakephp going for you?
[16:01:14 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> (smile) hey.
[16:01:15 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> not bad.
[16:01:27 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> I'm following the tutorial on the site for integrating the AuthComponent.
[16:01:35 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> already followed the one for the basic application.
[16:01:48 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> My logic is coming in handy, but everything is just a little different.
[16:01:57 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> CakePHP documentation isn't near as nice and CodeIgniter.
[16:02:13 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> they sort of assume you know what your doing while they are teaching you what your doing, heh.
[16:03:21 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> For instance, the "scaffolding" which I understand to be adding some global functionality to your site, is poorly documented.
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[16:05:43 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> heh finicky wifi.
[16:06:11 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> so yeah, its going. the learning curve is pretty steep, and fairly endless. heh, there is just massive layers of magic and convention over configuration you need to learn.
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[16:06:38 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> not coming together quite as fast, but... its snowballing. (smile)
[16:07:25 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> I'm just trying to not make any mistakes that I will kick myself for down the line, when I mis-stepped and took the wrong convention.
[16:10:43 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> colinclark_: you get any of that? heh
[16:11:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark_> lessthanzero: Hey, sorry. I got pulled into a meeting.
[16:11:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark_> But yep, I got it all.
[16:11:19 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> (smile)
[16:11:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark_> I feel sort of bad that you ended up going with Cake instead of CodeIgniter.
[16:11:30 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> yeah..
[16:11:42 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> I can sit down with you and explain how that transpired.
[16:11:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark_> It really just needed a conversation, but I guess there was pressure to push ahead asap.
[16:11:56 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> (at some point) heh
[16:12:37 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> yeah, well... I had a debate 2 fellows over at #codeignite, one was an op and the other turned out to actually a fluid cousin from indiana. He'd contributed to Sakai, and reccomended opencast to me. heh
[16:12:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark_> ha
[16:12:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark_> so are they using codeigniter at indiana?
[16:13:19 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> (smile) yeah, thats the thing, he was interested because a professor was teaching an OOP class with it.
[16:13:41 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> different scenario as they aren't developing code for distribution.
[16:14:16 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> we went over EVERYTHING we can could find in mailing lists etc (none of which was from EllisLab), and.. everything pointed to a few things.
[16:14:43 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> a) EllisLab has no interest in supporting the CodeIgniter community directly other then the code and resources for the the community itself (forums, wiki, etc)
[16:15:00 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> b) EllisLab has given NO sign of revising their licensing or even commenting on it.
[16:15:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark_> that's pretty weird
[16:15:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark_> (sad)
[16:15:13 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> yeah...
[16:15:21 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> they are a company, releasing their internal software for free.
[16:15:25 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> they aren't an open-soure company.
[16:15:48 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> the OP in #codeigniter really conveyed that sort of idea, although he wasn't an employee of EllisLab, it was the closest thing we could get.
[16:16:01 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> "take it for leave it" sort of mentality.
[16:16:50 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> and with a custom license that says "no matter what happens (even if its out own fault) your responsible" its just too hard to control your code in the wild.
[16:17:32 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> if your doing a 1 to 1 relationship, that is, developer to client, its alot more simple as you can contract out responsibility, but...in our situation (and the gentlemen from indiana's) it just was too big a risk.
[16:18:30 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> so we've sacrificed some productivity insofar as I am not well versed with CakePHP, but CakePHP really is the prescient in terms of frameworks out there.
[16:18:58 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> Interesting note, in almost every case, when I'm reading about frameworks (even on the web frameworks article on wikipedia) I see listed CakePHP, CodeIgniter, then the rest.
[16:18:58 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> (smile)
[16:19:01 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> anyway.
[16:19:25 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> when indiana comes back on (I believe his handle is mtheorx38) i'll do some introductions.
[16:19:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark_> cool
[16:19:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark_> that'd be great
[16:21:24 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> yeah, he's a great guy, and was awesome to find a fellow open-source freedom fighter in the outback of freenode. (smile)
[16:23:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark_> (smile)
[16:26:58 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> sigh I got so used to just using one manual to solve my problems. I had to search google and then CakePHP mailing list to solve this latest problem.
[16:27:13 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> Manual just assumes you've given proper permissions to abunch of specific folders.
[16:27:15 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> sigh
[16:34:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark_> (sad)
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