fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-01-13

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[08:51:03 EST(-0500)] * Topic is 'Justin is King! Trunk is Frozen.' set by michelled on 2009-01-13 08:51:03 EST(-0500)
[08:55:38 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: I have a question for you
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[08:56:29 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> I'm not sure if you saw colin's messge to fluid-work about FLUID-1982 and the patches he posted.
[08:57:15 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I didn't yet
[08:57:25 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> He wanted me to apply a patch if i thought they were okay... it turns out that one of the bugs it was supposed to fix, it doesn't I'm thinking that since it still fixes the other two and the other bug is only on the demo version that it should be okay to committ... what do you think
[08:58:13 EST(-0500)] <michelled> that sounds reasonable if it doesn't also introduce new bugs
[08:58:27 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i didn't notice any new bugs yet...
[08:59:13 EST(-0500)] <michelled> then I would go ahead and commit it. you should probably put a note on the JIRA that it didn't fix one of the bugs if you haven't already
[08:59:18 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i tested the server version yesterday with a server eli built for me and that seemed okay
[08:59:32 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> I will, I'll close the other two and just leave that one open as well
[09:00:29 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> as for applying the patchs, I just downloaded them off of the jira and applied them with aptana... to committ i just commit as I normally would ... is that correct
[09:01:37 EST(-0500)] <michelled> yes. but I'd look through what the svn merge actually did
[09:01:50 EST(-0500)] <michelled> merges don't always go seemlessly.
[09:02:01 EST(-0500)] <michelled> and of course test your personal version before the commit
[09:02:28 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> yes... will do... colin gave me some patches so i wouldn't have to merge the branch... which i guess should make it easier
[09:02:39 EST(-0500)] <michelled> yes
[09:03:07 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> also there are two different patch files... when i commit is there a way to do them both at the same time or should i be doing two seperate commits
[09:03:27 EST(-0500)] <michelled> if they are for two different bugs I would do them separately
[09:03:42 EST(-0500)] <michelled> that way they are connected to the JIRA issue they are related to
[09:03:57 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> oh okay.. the patches are both on the same jira
[09:04:14 EST(-0500)] <michelled> oh, well then you can just apply them both and do a single commit
[09:04:23 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay... thanks
[09:04:55 EST(-0500)] <michelled> when I apply patches I usually read the patch and then check the diff after applying it just to make sure they match.
[09:05:16 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i will do that
[09:05:32 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> oh that was something i wanted to ask you actually....
[09:05:44 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> if you go to the jira and look at the two new patches
[09:06:06 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-1982
[09:06:22 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I see 3
[09:06:31 EST(-0500)] <michelled> when ones should I look at?
[09:06:37 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> you will see that it minus out the path and pluses the path for the branch
[09:06:48 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> the ones that don't end in .a
[09:07:11 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> does that path change mean anything important
[09:07:34 EST(-0500)] <michelled> was svn able to figure out how to apply it?
[09:08:15 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> it seemed to apply okay...
[09:08:25 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> and i'm testing with it currently
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[09:09:31 EST(-0500)] <michelled> then I wouldn't worry about it - I think the path changes are because Colin created the patch from the branch.
[09:09:43 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay thanks...
[09:09:49 EST(-0500)] <michelled> np
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[09:53:05 EST(-0500)] <michelled> Justin_o: where are we in terms of the release? I'm a little behind on code reviewing - I'm going to do them now.
[09:53:44 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sure... that's okay... i'm just about to apply the patches for 1982, when do you think you will be done reviewing
[09:57:17 EST(-0500)] <michelled> probably half an hour
[09:57:31 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay... let me know when you are done
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[09:57:35 EST(-0500)] <michelled> ok
[09:58:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o, fj4000: I'm just getting up to speed on FLUID-1982.
[09:58:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> King, what did you decide for it?
[09:58:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> fj4000 was just about to tell me about an error in simulateUpload()...
[09:58:52 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i think it is okay to apply it, it doesn't fix Fluid-2010 though
[09:58:57 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> I can post the stack trace
[09:59:02 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i believe that is the same as 2010
[09:59:12 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> or I should say, what is causing 2010
[09:59:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> fj4000: Yeah, send me a pastebin with the stack trace.
[09:59:56 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> cool
[10:00:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess we're too late in the game to fix it, but I worry about cases where we throw exceptions like that.
[10:09:23 EST(-0500)] * fj4000 thinks colinclark thinks faster than the speed ot pasting
[10:09:26 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> http://fluid.pastebin.com/m49205d64
[10:09:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[10:11:25 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> colinclark: hiliting the right lines takes time
[10:11:37 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> its a fine art, yknow
[10:12:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> fj4000: So is there an error message that goes with this stack trace/
[10:12:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ?
[10:13:04 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> yes
[10:13:30 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> line 262
[10:13:31 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> file.id
[10:13:35 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> something
[10:20:58 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> file.id is undefined
[10:22:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> fj4000: Cool, thanks.
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[10:44:38 EST(-0500)] <gsilver> Is testing on?
[10:47:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I was taking a second look at the subcomponents documentation page.
[10:47:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Subcomponents#Subcomponents-configuration
[10:47:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon may be interested in this as well.
[10:48:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> You say that "If the subcomponent cannot be configured by an integrator - i.e. it does not allow options - a shorthand can be used."
[10:48:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I wonder if this is good advice.
[10:49:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It reminds me of not using curly braces on one-line if blocks... doesn't scale very well.
[10:49:24 EST(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: actually, I wrote that
[10:49:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: Oh, sorry
[10:49:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: I wonder if this is good advice.
[10:49:41 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, that came out of looking at code
[10:49:48 EST(-0500)] <michelled> and I agree with you - it doesn't scale very well
[10:50:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Meaning, it's easy to change a subcomponent to have some options at some later point, and forget to change the way it is defined.
[10:50:05 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> gsilver: hello... testing is on just waiting on a final code review before it officially starts...
[10:50:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And everything would keep working until a user came along and tried to override those options...
[10:50:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and then it would explode.
[10:50:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So I am thinking we should never advise people to use the shorthand when defining subcomponents.
[10:50:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled, anastasiac, Bosmon: What do you think?
[10:51:17 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I agree that it might not be a good idea to instruct people to use the shorthand
[10:51:21 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I think we should remove it from the documentation and open a JIRA to change the components that currently use this shorthand
[10:51:24 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> it's not too forward thinking
[10:51:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, too.
[10:52:27 EST(-0500)] <michelled> Justin_o: I reviewed the actually code commits 2046 but I haven't tested
[10:52:29 EST(-0500)] <michelled> have you?
[10:53:57 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: yes i tested that the day after it was committed
[10:54:40 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i guess that would have been yesterday morning
[10:54:41 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I'm happy with the code changes. if it's ok with you that I didn't test the functionality then this one is a go
[10:54:49 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sure...
[10:54:52 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> that's alright
[10:55:29 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> did you have a chance to look at FLUID-1986 and FLUID-1996
[10:55:43 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: ^
[10:56:45 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sorry that should have been FLUID-1966
[10:58:21 EST(-0500)] <michelled> so 1966 and 1986?
[10:58:29 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> yes
[10:59:48 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I reviewed Jacob's patch
[10:59:59 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> michelled: so I can commit 1966?
[11:00:11 EST(-0500)] <michelled> yes
[11:00:47 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: thanks... if you could please comment on the jiras and i'll close them.
[11:04:02 EST(-0500)] <michelled> np Justin_o. Sorry it took me so long
[11:04:08 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I've commented on the JIRAs
[11:04:13 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: thanks
[11:04:35 EST(-0500)] <michelled> Justin_o: are you waiting on me for anything else?
[11:05:05 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: would you be able to comment about the code review on this one http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2046
[11:05:15 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> I think that would be it
[11:08:55 EST(-0500)] <michelled> done
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[11:50:59 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: have you spoken at all with Colin about whether I should attempt a fix for 2010... The best fix I can't do with out 1824 which doesn't look like it's going to happen, but I might be able to come up with a workaround. I'm fine with the answer "we're frozen" 'cause frankly I could certainly work on some other stuff (like testing).
[11:52:54 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ecochran: i haven't explicitly spoken with him about that, but came to the conclusion that we could live without it for this release
[11:53:25 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> if you have time to help with testing that would be great
[11:54:22 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: thanks, I was naive to think that the fix for 1982 would fix it, but the symptoms where so similar
[11:55:11 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: Got to take a look at my entire plate and then I'll know about testing. Is there an area that particularly needs some love?
[11:56:36 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ecochran: i created you a task list on the testing tasks page, um... you could probably look at pager if you have a chance... i'm going to work on UI Options and then move onto uploader... the test plans for pager haven't really been used much yet so if you do get around to using them, please let me know if you find any problems
[11:56:57 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: cool
[11:57:10 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> thanks
[12:08:34 EST(-0500)] <michelled> anastasiac, Bosmon: I created a JIRA for removing the shorthand. http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2117
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[12:42:54 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o:
[12:42:56 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> What is on for today?
[12:43:27 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: testing if you are able to
[12:43:58 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> you can do some uploader testing
[12:44:16 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i'm not sure if anastasiac still needs help with the documentation or not
[12:46:47 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, I need help with docs!
[12:49:07 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Bosmon: FLUID-2067
[12:49:14 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> and FLUID-2066
[12:49:20 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> if you please?
[12:50:08 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> colinclark: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/FSS+Feature+Roadmap
[12:50:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> fj4000: awesome
[12:50:18 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> FSS Feature Roadmap and feature request page
[12:50:31 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Ok, looking at 2067 now
[12:50:39 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> thanks!
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[13:00:08 EST(-0500)] <everettz> Good afternoon, I'm thinking about listening in to the meeting this afternoon. Could someone assist me with testing the adobe client for accessibility beforehand? I logged in as a guest and all I get is a page with an inaccessible flash object.
[13:00:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> everettz: Urg, yes.
[13:00:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Our video conferencing server uses Flash.
[13:01:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Adobe is so tremendously bad at accessibility; there certainly is an API for accessibility in Flash...
[13:01:19 EST(-0500)] <everettz> colinclark: Once you log in as a guest is anything else required to only listen in, button you have to push, etc?
[13:01:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> but I don't know that it has been correctly implemented for Connect.
[13:01:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> To listen in, it should work immediately
[13:01:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We're doing our daily standup meeting now
[13:01:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so feel free to drop in and see if it's working for you
[13:05:02 EST(-0500)] <everettz> colinclark: Works as a passive guest, absolutely no accessibility for anything else.
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[13:18:26 EST(-0500)] <everettz> colinclark: You can see the Adobe Connect accessibility review, or inaccessibility review, at : http://www.adobe.com/resources/accessibility/tools/vpat/acrobatconnect_508.html
[13:18:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> everettz: Glad you could listen. It's dismal that Connect is so inaccessible.
[13:18:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We'll be looking at other conferencing options in the next few months, I think.
[13:19:59 EST(-0500)] <everettz> colinclark: That's a good idea, since it is a little ironic that Fluid's conferencing system is inaccessible
[13:20:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> everettz: Yeah, for sure. Unfortunately there aren't many free conferencing solutions out there at all.
[13:20:27 EST(-0500)] <everettz> colinclark: Who leads up the date/time picker and where do I find information about accessibility for that control?
[13:20:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Since we're an open source community, we just have to do the best we can.
[13:21:17 EST(-0500)] <everettz> colinclark: Have you looked at Ventrillo?
[13:21:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> everettz: The date and time picker is still in the early design phases. I'd suggest you ask Erin Yu about what she's thinking in terms of accessibility.
[13:22:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> She's not here at the moment, but I let her know you were interested...
[13:22:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> she may pop by the channel soon.
[13:23:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> everettz: I haven't seen Ventrillo, no. I'll take a look.
[13:23:10 EST(-0500)] <everettz> colinclark: Yes, please let her know. At what point in the conception / design / development process for Fluid widgets is accessibility normally considered?
[13:23:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> everettz: We usually try to tackle it early... as in, before we write the code.
[13:24:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We tend to play around with ideas and work iteratively.
[13:25:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> fj4000: Augustus, sit!
[13:25:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[13:26:43 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> arf arf
[13:26:49 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> and I would, yknow!
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[14:32:24 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> anastasiac: Somehow none of the internal anchors work for me on the InlineEdit pages...
[14:35:19 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Also, you seem to have dropped off AIM
[14:36:02 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: anastasiac is sort of teaching a class right now
[14:54:15 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Bosmon: I'll look into the anchors issue
[14:55:34 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, I'm not finding problems with links - which ones were causing you trouble?
[15:05:21 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well... all of them
[15:05:48 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Rich+Text+Inline+Edit+API#RichTextInlineEditAPI-TinyMCEintegration%3A
[15:05:56 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> For example, this is one of the anchors at the right
[15:06:01 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> But it doesn't actually go anywhere special...
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[15:09:47 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ah!
[15:09:53 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ok, yes - in the table of contents
[15:10:13 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> if there are any special characters at all in a header (in this case, the colon) then the table of contents links don't work
[15:10:40 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> you also can't use the code notation in the headers if you want the links to work
[15:11:03 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> you'll notice that the links that don't have a colon still work
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[15:40:21 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> OK, I think I have reviewed those docs
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[16:16:00 EST(-0500)] <michelled> Justin_o, anastasiac: I'm finally done with meetings. how can I help with the release?
[16:16:26 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled, you're going to be cutting the release tomorrow
[16:16:35 EST(-0500)] <michelled> yes
[16:16:42 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> do you want to skim the 'release process' and ask questions?
[16:17:01 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> there's also a child page with some of my notes
[16:17:09 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> which will eventually be used to update the release process page
[16:18:13 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: i should be able to finish up the necessary testing, you can go over the release process with anastasiac
[16:20:36 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I'm actually not sure what to put into the readme for 0.7
[16:20:50 EST(-0500)] <michelled> does anyone have a good handle on what went in to the release?
[16:21:04 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> That's usually a colin question for me
[16:21:15 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> the bug parade is a good start, since that's pretty much all we did
[16:21:16 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I can go through the JIRA filter but if someone has a higher level synopsis that would be good
[16:21:24 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> mainly the graceful degradation for uploader
[16:21:26 EST(-0500)] <michelled> ok
[16:21:35 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> and bug fixes
[16:21:47 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> maybe draft a list, and run it by colin?
[16:22:00 EST(-0500)] <michelled> sounds good
[16:22:06 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> our flight leaves at 11:15 am, and there's free wifi in the island airport waiting rooms
[16:22:20 EST(-0500)] <michelled> good to know
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