fluid-work IRC Logs-2008-09-29

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[09:55:36 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> good morning jacobfarber. I've been taking a look at copyright in our code base and I noticed a YUI copyright notice in fluid.reset.css. Is this the correct copyright?
[09:56:01 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> it's taken from their CSS file....
[09:56:10 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> embedded at the top of their pages
[09:56:19 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> meaning the entire file is theirs?
[09:56:33 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> no, I made some minor additions
[09:56:57 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> but the bulk of the fluid.reset.css page comes from the YUI reset css file
[09:57:14 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ?
[09:57:15 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> I commented where the transitions occur in the file
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[09:57:46 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I guess since it's BSD we're good? I know very little about copyright
[09:57:58 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> I know even less (tongue)
[09:59:02 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> theclown: you are probably the one with the most license knowledge, can you pipe in?
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[10:00:03 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> good morning michelled. scanning the buffer as I have it... (BTW, there may be a dojo/dijit meeting at 10am; I'll have to monitor for that)
[10:00:04 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> anastasiac: I just committed - should just be license and copyright stuff - can you review it?
[10:00:22 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> michelled, will do, thanks for the heads-up
[10:00:27 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> theclown: no rush! thanks for looking
[10:01:19 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> michelled, there's also FLUID-1554 - do you think you could look at that today?
[10:02:04 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> michelled, jacobfarber, to say anything concrete, I'd have to see the licence. URL to the svn?
[10:02:24 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> anastasiac: sure
[10:02:37 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> thanks
[10:03:15 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> theclown: https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/components/trunk/src/webapp/fluid-components/css/fluid.reset.css
[10:03:31 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> thank, michelled
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[10:07:09 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> jacobfarber, are the only changed you made to fluid.reset.css file comments?
[10:07:23 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> michelled's license and copyright commit looks good to me
[10:07:50 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> theclown no- I added some declarations near the end
[10:08:01 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> how many?
[10:08:02 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> current trunk has only one small change
[10:08:09 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> but there will likely be more
[10:08:14 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> as time goes on
[10:10:07 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> justin_o, what's the status of the testing in prep for tomorrow's release?
[10:10:10 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> okay. for now, it's essentially YUI's file. My opinion (IANAL): you have to retain their copyright and licence. you can link it with other fluid code. you can redistribute it (a) alone, (b) as part of a fluid distribution.
[10:10:13 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> justin: looking for any more testing help?
[10:10:19 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'm putting together the to-do list (smile)
[10:10:40 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac, jacobfarber : testing looks good... it's pretty much done
[10:10:48 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> awesome
[10:10:48 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> excellent!
[10:10:49 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> I finished the Win 2000 and Mac 10.4 today.
[10:11:01 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I could use some checking of the api docs
[10:11:07 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> have you guys looked at Gonzalo's message to the list
[10:11:14 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> yup
[10:11:18 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> not yet
[10:11:32 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> he found some interesting bugs when using the reorderer on table rows
[10:11:50 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> just to be sure, I dont think its our bug per se
[10:11:53 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> the reorderer hasn't been tested on tables, really
[10:12:03 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> i've run into this way before I've heard of Fluid
[10:12:07 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> something to look at for 0.6 beta i guess
[10:12:12 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> oh okay
[10:12:19 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> worth filing a JIRA?
[10:12:41 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> maybe more a bugzilla ticket to mozilla (tongue)
[10:12:42 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: I asked Gonzalo if he could (on the list)
[10:12:52 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> justin_o, that's great
[10:13:16 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: what would you like me to look at for you regarding api
[10:13:19 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> jacobfarber, could you look at all of the API documents, to check that the dependencies are all right?
[10:13:26 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> i.e. the list of js files that need to be included
[10:14:06 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> justin_o, maybe you could look at the tutorials, and let me know if any of them look out-of-date
[10:14:17 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> okay... will do
[10:14:39 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> sure
[10:14:46 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> thanks, guys
[10:15:01 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> np
[10:22:56 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> I'm looking at the list of Tutorials on the wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/User+Manual+Table+of+Contents page
[10:23:53 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> There are links to Infusion v0.3 and v0.4 tutorials but not v0.5 am I supposed to be looking at the Trunk tutorials now and these will get converted to v0.5
[10:24:00 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: ^
[10:24:16 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> ....she stepped out for a second....
[10:24:22 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jacobfarber: thanks
[10:28:14 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> justin_o, yes - trunk tutorials
[10:28:32 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> same goes for the api docs, jacobfarber
[10:28:48 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> thanks anastasiac
[10:28:48 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> once they're checked, and 'complete', then they'll be converted to v0.5
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[11:14:54 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: sorry working a little slow here cause I had to get aptana downloaded and set up on my home computer.. I'm going through the tutorial now... Here is what may be a dumb question, but where is the fluid-all.js file in trunk
[11:15:19 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> it's not in trunk - it's generated by the bundle-creation process, and packaged in the zip file
[11:15:37 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> oh...
[11:16:00 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> okay... thanks...
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[11:39:48 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: I couldn't get the styling of inline edit to work with .invitation I had to use .inlineEdit-invitation
[11:39:58 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> is that something that is changed or should both work?
[11:40:12 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> justin_o, let me double-check the code...
[11:40:15 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac rummages
[11:40:51 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> the default style name is "inlineEdit-invitation"
[11:40:59 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> if the docs say otherwise, could you update them?
[11:41:09 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> sure, will do
[11:41:16 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> do you have the code available to you?
[11:41:20 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> e.g. in aptana
[11:41:33 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> yes i do...
[11:42:02 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> you can look at InlineEdit.js, line 224, inside the fluid.defaults() call, for all the defaults
[11:42:11 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> how do i find out what the default style names are?
[11:42:26 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> see my last comment (smile)
[11:42:39 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> inside that defaults block are all the defaults - styles, tooltip text, etc
[11:43:01 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> thanks.. and each component will have that...
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[12:06:01 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> jacobfarber and ecochran: I've been scanning the code for things we need to do for release. I came across a link to this page in the wiki: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/x/VIw7
[12:06:16 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> do one of you want to take a look at it and see if it needs any clean up?
[12:07:43 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled and jacobfarber : while it is a little rough, it's probably OK to go out as a work in progress.
[12:07:58 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> what we could add would information about the Springboards that have already been built
[12:08:07 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> that would probably be good
[12:08:25 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sounds good
[12:08:30 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> also maybe a little more about what the next steps are
[12:08:43 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> this page wouldn't get cloned for the release so it is fine as a work in progress
[12:08:53 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I'd just want any outdated stuff removed
[12:08:57 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> jacobfarber: ?
[12:09:14 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: what do you mean by "wouldn't get cloned"?
[12:09:18 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> another question, this one about licensing. We haven't bothered to put copyright onto our css files in the past. I'm wondering with the skinning system now in partially baked form whether we need to change our stance?
[12:09:36 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> my understanding is that files without license and copyright would inherit from the base license.
[12:10:06 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> perhaps this is something we should address in 0.6?
[12:10:14 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> true, but it makes sense to for us to add boilerplate license info to all code files (and CSS is code)
[12:10:25 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: well, what's the priority?
[12:10:46 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I have time to go comb through the CSS this morning (or other files for that matter)
[12:11:01 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ecochran, it's high priority if we feel we aren't covered well enough but I think we are.
[12:11:14 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> or I can work with jacobfarber on cleaning up the Springboard page in the wiki
[12:11:35 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I think the doc cleanup is higher priority
[12:11:38 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: my plan (before your ping) was to review the skinning work this morning
[12:11:49 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: makes sense
[12:12:12 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I just got in so I'm still configuring my day
[12:12:23 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> as to the 'cloning' question: we haven't come up with a better strategy for versioning docs yet. The APIs and tutorials are cloned at the time of release cut.
[12:12:44 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ecochran: sorry to jump on you as soon as you arrive (smile)
[12:12:54 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: np
[12:13:09 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> ah
[12:20:31 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> I'm looking at the list reorderer tutorial and I'm getting it to work but the drop marker is being covered by the list elements... did i set something up wrong? any thoughts
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[12:27:48 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> FYI, jacob had to leave for the day. He might be online later, but for now, he's not available.
[12:28:17 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> regarding Springboards, ecochran, I think we decided to rename them "Funtional Demos"?
[12:28:42 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I hadn't heard that...
[12:29:22 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I hadn't heard either, but I'd been missing some work days and hence irc chats. jonathan seemed to remember it
[12:30:40 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> justin_o, regarding your drop marker - is the style you're using possibly named wrong? Or it could just be that the style definition in the tutorial is bad (smile)
[12:30:59 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> try a style from a working example, and if it works better, change the tutorial to that
[12:31:09 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> okay.. i'll look into that
[12:31:19 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> thought it might have been something in the html, but guess not
[12:32:32 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> html might be an issues, but usually it's styling
[12:32:45 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> let me know if a style from the samples doesn't work...
[12:33:47 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> sure... looking at the sample styles i think it may be that the ol needed padding added..
[12:34:09 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> so if that's the case i'll just add it to the doc
[12:34:09 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok - feel free to update the tutorial to suggest something that works
[12:34:44 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> thanks
[13:01:07 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> standup
[13:19:23 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> anastasiac: did you see the bug that I wrote up last week, wondering if we should include something in the read me about the current incompatibility between the Uploader and the Flash 10 beta?
[13:20:10 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> FLUID-1602
[13:20:25 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> ah, I just noticed that anastasiac is offline!
[13:21:07 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ecochran: that makes sense to me
[13:21:37 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> the bug is assigned to anastasiac so I'm assuming that she's seen it
[13:21:53 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> could someone at UT ask her when she returns?
[13:22:00 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I just noticed that there are two javascript files in the section-info example with no license - are they Sakai copyright?
[13:22:21 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: looking....
[13:22:34 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> portalscripts.js and sections.js
[13:23:13 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> hi, I'm back now ecochran and michelled. No, I hadn't actually seen that - I'm finding JIRA emails a bit overwhelming right now (smile)
[13:23:18 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'll look at it this afternoon
[13:23:24 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> anastasiac: cool
[13:24:01 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: portalscripts.js is straight out of Sakai (I don't think that I made any changes but I'll look)
[13:24:26 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: sections.js is from Sakai but I made significant modifications to support the inline edit example
[13:24:46 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> headscripts.js is Sakai as well
[13:25:01 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> headscripts has the Sakai copyright on it
[13:25:13 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> yep, I was just looking at that
[13:25:23 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I wonder why portalscripts.js doesn't
[13:25:28 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> oh wait, I do know
[13:25:36 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> because I wrote it and I f-d up
[13:26:27 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> it was an empty script file that I found in the repository that seemed like a good place to put the More Sites work since it was already being mixed in
[13:26:57 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ah
[13:27:17 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: OK, portalscripts.js is exactly what is in Sakai for the last two releases.
[13:27:25 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> shall I copy over the copyright or do you want to?
[13:28:40 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I'm not sure what to do with sections. Perhaps put the same sakai copyright on it? with an additional Berkeley one?
[13:29:10 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I just looked, the one that is checked in is clean (no changes), I have another version that I never checked in that has modifications.
[13:29:40 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I don't know who "owns" section info
[13:30:08 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> it is interesting that there is stuff in Sakai that isn't copyrighted
[13:30:20 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> (I so want to write "copywritten"
[13:30:23 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> )
[13:30:42 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> (smile)
[13:31:01 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I'll copy over the Sakai foundation copyright into both of them and check in
[13:31:03 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> these are the type of things that often fall through cracks.
[13:31:08 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> bug number?
[13:31:10 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks
[13:31:26 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> 1604
[13:31:33 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> thanks!
[13:31:38 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> np
[13:33:43 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: I'm going through the "Walkthrough - Building and using the Lightbox in Sakai" tutorial and changing all the lightboxes to image reorderer
[13:34:11 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: commit 5699 if you want to review
[13:35:38 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> justin_o, great! If there is any mention of the actual function call, the API has changed - it's no longer fluid.lightbox(), it's fluid.reorderImages()
[13:36:18 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> oh okay.. good to know
[13:36:47 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> do you know how to put a label on the wiki page that has two words.. so "Image Reorderer"
[13:36:56 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> it keeps putting up two lables instead
[13:37:03 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks ecochran, looks fine
[13:37:15 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> thanks!
[13:38:04 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> justin_o, use an underscore, as in image_reorderer
[13:38:09 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> okay... thanks
[13:39:22 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> anastasiac, justin_o: as I'm sifting through code I noticed in the jquery-tabs example that we are using 'new' in instantiate
[13:39:24 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> "new fluid.reorderer(tabList, options);"
[13:39:35 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> instead of "fluid.reorderer(tabList, options);"
[13:39:42 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ugh! that should have been changed!
[13:39:47 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I think it's a significant issue because it's in our examples
[13:40:03 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> it shouldn't change the behaviour of the example to remove the new.
[13:40:11 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> yes, to me that seems worthy of a commit even now - so long as they're tested
[13:40:11 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> what do you think we should do at this point?
[13:40:41 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> what do other people think?
[13:40:44 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> sorry.. i thought you were talking about the documentation.. but you mean the actual code is still using this
[13:41:03 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes but only in that example. at least I think so ...
[13:42:31 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> i'm thinking that if we are stressing the point that people should not be using that style of code then we should probably change it
[13:42:50 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> if you guys think so as well.. i'll make a blocker bug for it
[13:43:02 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I think we should change it
[13:43:45 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> any objections to me making a blocker for this?
[13:43:48 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ecochran, I just did a search on 'new fluid.' and it came up with the uploader example. Is that the correct way to use uploader 1?
[13:44:45 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled: what were we calling these... using new is a constructor... not using it is a creator??
[13:44:51 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> it also came up with pager but the pager has not been moved to 'thatism' so we actually do need 'new'
[13:45:30 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: Uploader 1 also has not been moved to thatism
[13:45:32 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> justin_o I think so.
[13:45:41 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> thanks
[13:45:45 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> np
[13:45:50 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> although only the Progress part uses new
[13:46:00 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> the rest uses argism, I think
[13:46:21 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Uploader 2 is all about that-ism
[13:47:26 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> FLUID-1636 is a blocker to the 0.5 release
[13:47:47 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled: ^
[13:47:54 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks
[13:48:04 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> anastasiac - you or me?
[13:48:43 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> don't worry about it - I'll take it and you can review
[13:49:17 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> thanks, michelled
[13:52:08 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> anastasiac: done - wish all bugs were that easy to resolve (smile)
[13:52:17 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> cool, thanks michelled
[13:52:32 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'll review, and comment on the JIRA so justin_o can close it
[13:54:11 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: for the tutorials i'm going to go through and change all the references to fluid-0.4 to fluid-0.5... the Grid Reorderer and Keyboard accessiblity tutorials are/seem incomplete and the layout reorderer could use an end-to-end tutorial like the others (although I'm thinking there isn't enough time for that now)... everything else seems good though
[13:55:09 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok - I'm not convinced that changing the 0.4 to 0.5 is entirely necessary - there is a caveat about versions, but I'll defer to other opinions (Jacob commented on it today, too)
[13:55:19 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'll look into the incomplete tutorials you mentioned
[13:55:23 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> thanks for the review!
[13:55:49 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> np
[13:56:10 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> and i'll leave the 0.4's there for now...
[13:56:31 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> justin_o, regarding FLUID-1636 - was that intended for this change to the one sample, or also for future things like uploader and pager?
[13:57:17 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ecochran: sent a msg. wrt functional examples – to list
[13:57:25 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ecochran: have a look before diving into renaming
[13:57:34 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> jessm, thanks, I was just about to pink someone about that
[13:57:37 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> i just left it broad incase there were any other instances found in places that needed changing. I put "converted to thatism" to represent ones that had already been changed so the pager and uploader aren't included
[13:57:37 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ping
[13:57:50 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> (wink) she pink'd me
[13:57:56 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok, so I'll resolve it
[13:58:03 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: thanks
[13:59:00 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> jessm: thanks!
[13:59:14 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ecochran: np
[13:59:42 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> red, blue, pink, purple! we're a diverse bunch
[14:01:12 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> (smile)
[14:01:45 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ecochran: I wonder if the Flash version 10 issue should be mentioned in the Uploader's readme too?
[14:02:34 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> definitely
[14:02:45 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> there's also the 'to be written' section at the bottom of that readme. could you take a look?
[14:02:46 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: ^
[14:02:54 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I'll look now
[14:03:00 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> we can still update readmes as part of 1604.
[14:03:02 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks!
[14:04:21 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> michelled, are you still planning to work on 1554, updating the Readme to mention 3rd party licenses?
[14:04:32 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes
[14:04:36 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> on my list (smile)
[14:05:03 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: oh... yeah... I was ignoring that... I don't really know what to say since we don't have an server example... although the upload.php file is checked in
[14:05:06 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok - 1602 also deals with a change to the readme, but they shouldn't collide
[14:05:30 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I have to play with this for a few minutes. I wonder what would happen if I just pointed the demos at upload.php?
[14:05:32 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ok
[14:05:40 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I don't know
[14:05:44 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> a bit scary and untested but it's something
[14:05:45 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I haven't tried
[14:05:54 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I'm going to try on my server
[14:14:00 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: well, it doesn't work...
[14:14:02 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I just committed some more copyright additions - can someone review it for me?
[14:14:15 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> it actually doesn't blow up, it just doesn't upload
[14:14:20 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ecochran - do you know if it ever worked?
[14:14:29 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> no, I don't think that it ever did
[14:14:44 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> well... not entirely true
[14:14:56 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> when I was first developing I had a reference version that worked
[14:15:13 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> michelled, I've committed changes to the Readme, so you should update before you work on 1554 (and feel free to improve on the Readme in general)
[14:15:15 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> that was long ago and I switched to testing against the Sakai based reference app
[14:15:27 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> michelled, I'll review your copyright changes
[14:15:43 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks
[14:15:58 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ecochran, what do you think we should do?
[14:16:07 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> seems weird to ship something we know doesn't work
[14:16:30 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Yeah, I don't actually know why it was ever checked in
[14:16:55 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Do you think that it would be too odd to talk about the JAVA reference app that Ray wrote?
[14:17:07 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I could just point at the svn for it
[14:17:23 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> We haven't tested it in a bit, so I can't guarentee that it works
[14:17:52 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I think that would be ok.
[14:18:11 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> do you think we need to remove the non working php app for the release?
[14:18:23 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I know that we shipped it before
[14:18:26 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> nothing points to it
[14:18:52 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> true
[14:19:01 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I think that I had an intention that you could change var uploadURL = ""; to var uploadURL = "../php/upload.php"; and it would just work
[14:19:06 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> but I never got there
[14:19:16 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> what do you think about removing it?
[14:19:22 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> might remove some confusion
[14:19:34 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yeah, I could agree to either side
[14:19:45 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I like to remove confusion but we are late in the game.
[14:20:02 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> however, removing non-working code seems like it can't have an effect on other things
[14:20:25 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> justin_o, anastasiac, thoughts? ^
[14:21:07 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I could mention that we make available a reference php app that is pending future integration but you can play around with it at your own risk?
[14:24:06 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled, ecochran: sorry just catching up on all the talks
[14:24:42 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ecochran: that sounds good. it gives context to the php app
[14:24:45 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> i'm thinking that it might be a little late to pull it and we can just add the comment that ecochran mentioned above
[14:24:54 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled: you beat me to the answer
[14:25:01 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> (smile)
[14:25:40 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'm just catching up on the conversation, but I think mentioning it, with the 'disclaimer', is better than pullin git
[14:26:02 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> all: thanks... I will proceed.
[14:26:48 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I just looked at the Flash10/Uplaoder blurb in the main Read Me. Looks good!
[14:27:09 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> thanks, ecochran - glad to hear I captured it right (smile)
[14:27:57 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> anastasiac: should work around be hyphenated? work-around?
[14:28:18 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> its usage would make me think that it should
[14:29:37 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> hm. I think I agree
[14:30:04 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> michelled, when you're there in the readme for 1554, could you change "work around" to "work-around" in the Uploader Flash 10 beta comment?
[14:30:16 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> there are two mentions
[14:30:25 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sure
[14:30:26 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled and anastasiac ^
[14:35:50 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> question about the user manual. do you think we should put the links to the old releases after the most recent release and the trunk?
[14:36:22 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> michelled, I think now that there are a number of 'old' releases, you're probably right
[14:36:52 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> michelled: I've just committed another change to the readme (under 1604) adding a link to the 'upgrading your api' wiki instructions. Could you review it when you're in there?
[14:37:05 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes
[14:37:27 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac supposes she could have made the 'work-around' fixes, but she forgot
[14:50:24 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> all: I'm going to be clocking out now... anybody need me for anything else today
[14:50:35 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled, anastasiac, ecochran:^
[14:50:49 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I'm good
[14:51:03 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> justin_o: I'm fine too.
[14:51:09 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> justin_o, I think I'm good - thanks for your help today! I hope you're feeling better soon.
[14:51:11 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks so much for doing all this when you're sick
[14:51:55 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> thanks everyone... I hope to be in tomorrow... bye
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[15:02:49 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: I need to make a small change to the upload.php file. Currently the code has references to a path on my personal server! Yipe!
[15:03:39 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I'm going to download a generic copy from the swfupload source code to replace
[15:05:43 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sounds ok to me. that's the file that doesn't actually work, right?
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[15:08:45 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: it just returns errors right now
[15:15:38 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: seems that I should write up a separate JIRA for that
[15:15:57 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> not the errors but the file path references
[15:16:02 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes, I think so. And make it blocker for the release
[15:16:28 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> can you also draw Justin's attention to it? an e-mail perhaps?
[15:18:47 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> anastasiac, the last point in the known issues is:
[15:18:59 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Keyboard control in the Opera browser is not yet fully supported.
[15:19:11 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> should that also say Safari?
[15:19:51 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ah, good point, probably yes
[15:20:12 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> FLUID-1637 is now logged
[15:20:14 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I just looked at the high-priority issues on the 0.5 known issues filter, and Opera was mentioned lots
[15:20:59 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I guess because we just started supporting it more
[15:21:14 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> shall I just add it then?
[15:21:41 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> please!
[15:28:08 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: I've just checked in 5704 for FLUID-1637
[15:28:28 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ok, I'll look at it soon
[15:31:19 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I know this has already been mentioned but should my ReadMe changes for the Uploader sample code be logged against FLUID-1604?
[15:31:58 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> you mean the changes to the php file?
[15:32:17 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac is behind on keeping up with chat logs
[15:32:24 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac is sorry
[15:34:05 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> anastasiac: are you writing an intro email for 0.5 already?
[15:34:26 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I haven't got there yet, jessm, why - are you volunteering? (wink)
[15:34:33 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> anastasiac: no, the ReadMe
[15:34:58 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> anastasiac: lol, no, i'm ready to copy/paste parts of it for the monthly teleconference agenda – mtg. on wed.
[15:35:03 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> anastasiac: will you be coming?
[15:35:09 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> echocran, if it's basic changes to docs in prep for release, yes, I think 1604 is appropriate. michelled, do you agree?
[15:35:18 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> we're putting in the Flash10 problem as well as fleshing out the RUNNING THE UPLOADER ON A SERVER section
[15:35:42 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> which lead to the PHP problem, 'cause I like an idiot decided to look inside the file
[15:35:46 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> jessm, yes, I'll be at the teleconf. I don't expect to get to the email till tomorrow, though
[15:36:09 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> 'cause I, like an idiot, decide to...
[15:36:13 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> sounds good – just wanted to check in
[15:36:13 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes, I think it's fine
[15:36:31 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> cool, checking in now if someone would review...
[15:37:39 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Check in 5705
[15:37:44 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> anastasiac, do you think I need to reference where we got our distance algorighthms from?
[15:37:46 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> // These distance algorithms have been taken from
[15:37:46 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> // http://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~cs644/Godfried/2005/Fall/fzamal/concepts.htm
[15:37:46 EDT(-0400)] <michelled>
[15:37:59 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ecochran: I'll review soon, I'll put it on my list (smile)
[15:38:21 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> thanks, do you still need someone to review your copyright changes?
[15:38:27 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I'm feel for your list!
[15:38:35 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: ^
[15:38:38 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> michelled, if you're referring to the 3rd party license stuff, there doesn't seem to be any license info there to refer to
[15:38:40 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I feel
[15:39:29 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I can't remember if AC looked at it or not.
[15:40:38 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I've reviewed r5701, and before that
[15:40:47 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ecochran, michelled ^
[15:41:32 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> that was my last commit
[15:42:25 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> great
[15:48:52 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ecochran, anastasiac: I just committed the start of the 3rd party section in the readme. Do you think I'm missing anything that we ship with Fluid?
[15:50:21 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Also, the issue http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-1554 it mentions licenses, do you think I need to specify the license of each package or is is fine that we mention above that the licenses are also shipped in the bundle?
[15:51:57 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: do we need to mention the CSS, etc. that we take from Sakai and Berkeley bSpace in the Section-Info demo?
[15:52:58 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I don't know. they aren't part of Fluid-all but they are part of the bundle
[15:53:14 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I could say that the examples come from Sakai and uportal?
[15:53:25 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I think that makes sense
[15:53:47 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> * Real world example from Sakai (sakaiproject.org) and uPortal (url)
[15:54:06 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> what about including a bit of header text, the way Yahoo does? (at the link mentioned in the JIRA)
[15:54:06 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> excellent!
[15:54:42 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I like it, CYA
[15:55:18 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> regarding licenses, I think for things that have a clear license (like the SWFobject), it wouldn't hurt to put a link to that license
[15:55:52 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ok
[16:01:45 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ecochran: is this the link I should give for SWFObject? http://code.google.com/p/swfobject/
[16:03:04 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> yes for swfobject.
[16:03:11 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> all, is this the place for the most up-to-date renderer info? http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+Renderer
[16:03:15 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I had forgotten that we'd already checked that in
[16:03:24 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> we're not using it yet, but will in Uploader2
[16:03:43 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> jessm, yes - as far as I know, that's what we have for renderer docs
[16:03:52 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> what are we using for the current uploader?
[16:04:02 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> anastasiac: as far as you can tell is it still up-to-date?
[16:04:05 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i'd imagine not
[16:04:19 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> jessm and anyone: do you think that we'll get anymore votes on Demos vs. Examples
[16:04:40 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i declare a thumb war with anyone who doesn't like "Examples" – ship it
[16:05:05 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> hmmm... I like Examples but I also like thumb wars (tongue)
[16:05:07 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I don't believe that much has changed in the renderer since then
[16:05:17 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> michelled: you're on!
[16:05:19 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Antranig has been busy on other things
[16:05:35 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> anastasiac: k, thanks
[16:13:20 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ecochran: is there something else I should be giving props besides SWFObject for Uploader?
[16:13:57 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> swfupload.org for swfupload
[16:14:04 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: ^
[16:14:19 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ok, thanks
[16:14:52 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> even though some of the peeps are the same between swfobject and swfupload, they are separate projects
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[16:29:54 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> turns out that we aren't including SWFObject yet, I'm just confused (smile)
[16:34:15 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ecochran, anastasiac: just committed the readme again, can you take a look at the 3rd party section?
[16:35:10 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> wow - excellent list! thanks so much for compiling it!
[16:36:12 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: Looks great to me! I didn't know that we were using the YUI reset... I even learned somehting
[16:36:50 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes, that was a surprise to me this morning when I was doing the license review
[16:37:21 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> it's interesting that a line of code changed in the upload.php file
[16:37:36 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> but since it wasn't working before I don't think it matters
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[16:50:22 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ack, having network issues
[16:51:14 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> jessm (and anyone else interested): when you have a minute, could you review http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+Infusion+-+Current+Release
[16:51:32 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> this info will serve as the basis for info in the email announcement, and on the main website
[16:51:41 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ecochran, anastasiac: is there anything else I need to do today for the release? I plan to look at wiki docs some more.
[16:52:13 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> michelled, reviews of wiki docs are greatly appreciated (smile)
[16:52:34 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> anastasiac: any update on uploader?
[16:53:08 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> not for this release - most of the uploader work has gone into v2, which isn't available yet
[16:53:13 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> k
[16:53:19 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> maybe ecochran can provide more info? ^
[16:53:23 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> and i just learned a new britishism – canadianism
[16:53:23 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I think the reorderer line should be reworked
[16:53:36 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> hi, I stepped out for a minute
[16:53:49 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> michelled, which line?
[16:54:03 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Huge improvements to the Reorderer (and more to come)
[16:54:13 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> The only changes to Uploader 1 have been a couple of IE related bug fixes
[16:54:24 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> any suggestions? (remembering that it's a wiki, and anyone can edit it (wink) )
[16:54:27 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Perhaps highlight a couple of the improvments? speed, consistency?
[16:54:48 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> to be more specific, a couple of IE UX fixes
[16:54:51 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> good point (smile)
[16:54:58 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I'll look at the Wiki and see if I want to edit
[16:55:51 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Huge improvements to the Reorderer including speed and consistency
[16:55:53 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> how's that?
[16:56:10 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> anastasiac ^
[16:56:13 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ���
[16:57:02 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I like
[16:57:27 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> done
[16:57:32 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks
[16:58:17 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I'm going to be offline for a bit. e-mail me if there's anything else I can help out with.
[16:58:17 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> bye
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