fluid-work IRC Logs-2008-09-03

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[11:53:18 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> Is allison around? or anyone from OSDPL ?
[12:54:09 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> lessthanzero: You actually probably want to talk to Jonathan.
[12:54:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> He's coordinating the pattern library.
[12:54:33 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> Ok, whats a good way of contacting him?
[12:54:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> lessthanzero: Well, he's often here. I think he must be away at the moment.
[12:55:06 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> and his nick is something akin to jonathan?
[12:55:09 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> You could send him an email. jonathan.hung@utoronto.ca or ask on the list.
[12:55:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> His nick is jhung.
[12:55:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> lessthanzero: I'm just chatting with David. Are you free at 11 am to chat tomorrow?
[12:56:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I want to make sure your changes and updates to VULab web are visible to the community so you can start to earn commit access. (smile)
[12:56:25 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> (big grin)
[12:56:31 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> yeah, I am around.
[12:57:03 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It'll take some time, but it will be great to have you submitting patches and having people get to know your code and the app.
[12:57:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> okay, great. We're booked for 11 am. (smile)
[12:57:15 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> yeah, I understand.
[12:57:16 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> 11 am
[12:57:17 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> where?
[12:57:27 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> lessthanzero: Do you prefer IRC or Connect?
[12:57:31 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> I like irc.
[12:57:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> k
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[13:00:23 EDT(-0400)] <dov23> colinclark: hello from David M
[13:00:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> dov23: Hey. Glad you made it on!
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[13:15:47 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> (wink)
[13:16:01 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> fellow VULab'r over here.
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[15:16:35 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> lessthanzero: hey Blake.
[15:16:46 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> jonathan_h: hey hey
[15:16:58 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> I was thinking...
[15:17:14 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> I could bury you in a mountain of links and documentation...
[15:17:27 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> or I could meet with you.
[15:17:30 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> ...
[15:17:32 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> (smile)
[15:17:39 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Somehow I think meeting is a lot less painful. (smile)
[15:17:50 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> we're are in the same city
[15:18:18 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> True. North of Bloor Country.
[15:18:30 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> (smile) I'm actually south of queen.
[15:18:43 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Oh...
[15:18:46 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> but I've been up there, the air is great.
[15:18:52 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> rofl
[15:19:03 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> We try
[15:19:52 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> anywhere midtown is good, I have a car so as long as we choose a proper time, its not that bad.
[15:19:59 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> 4-6pm is not a good time.
[15:20:02 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> (smile)
[15:20:03 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> True.
[15:20:22 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> This Friday is good or next week Tuesday.
[15:20:29 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> either or.
[15:20:47 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> how soon you need help?
[15:20:48 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> (wink)
[15:21:11 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> We can always use the help. (smile)
[15:21:41 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Any time you're free is good. So how about Friday? Meet at UofT? Then you can meet the rest of the team too.
[15:21:58 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> that sounds great.
[15:22:40 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> How about 11am. We can do lunch up here and do the stand-up meeting afterwards at 1p.
[15:22:47 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> I can send you directions via email.
[15:23:39 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> (smile) nice nice, yeah.
[15:23:42 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> that works for me
[15:23:58 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Awesome!
[15:24:54 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> I'll shoot you an email shortly. it'll be good to have extra eyes on this drupal stuff.
[15:25:44 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> In the meantime, you can sign up for an account for the OSDPL at osdpl.fluidproject.org and poke around. It'll give you an idea of what we're working with here.
[15:28:28 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> yeah.
[15:28:30 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> I have been.
[15:28:34 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> "electBlake"
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[15:29:14 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> I've been working with drupal for... awhile now. someone caught me on to it around 4.x
[15:29:51 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Excellent. Have you worked with v6 much? We're still using v5.7, not sure if we're going to upgrade to v6 or not.
[15:30:05 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> I'm still a 5.7 guy.
[15:30:27 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> I really like the improvements in 6 but, I can't wait for maintainers.
[15:30:53 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> I used 6 once, and I developed the entire site, and a key module wasn't up to 6, and had to downgrade entire setup.
[15:30:56 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> aka, restart.
[15:31:08 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Yeah, that's exactly our situation with v6. We're using CCK a lot and I don't think they have a v6 release yet.
[15:31:26 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> cck? no v6? thats odd.
[15:31:40 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> I don't think so.... I haven't checked recently.
[15:31:59 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> They had some dev versions, but no stable release.
[15:32:39 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> btw, do you use drupalmodules.com ? I found it awhile back, looks like its going full force now.
[15:32:41 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> its a great reference
[15:33:23 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> yeah, it looks like they are still working on it. It works but...
[15:33:27 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Yep. I've used them before, but I wish there were more people reviewing modules though especially for common modules like menus etc.
[15:33:55 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> So many menu modules, it's hard to know which is good.
[15:33:59 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> yeah, I know.
[15:34:21 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> so your on 6 now eh? :/
[15:34:43 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> No. We're 5.7. Probably should upgrade to 5.8 at some point.
[15:34:57 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> yeah, as long as you stay in the 5s
[15:35:07 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> I'm not moving to 6 anytime soon.
[15:35:13 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> until its painfully obvious, heh.
[15:36:38 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> We're going to try to implement a workflow for user submitted content. So we're going to have some states like "complete", "in progress", "public" and "not public".
[15:36:58 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> makes sense.
[15:37:54 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> I've seen people use Views for this, but we haven't decided on an approach yet.
[15:38:10 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> my general motto is: "always use views"
[15:38:44 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> I'd imagine you use workflow and then views to maintain, (with action views would probably work)
[15:40:39 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> and really, "public" and "private" can be permissions controlled. and "complete" and "in process" are more of a "published" and "not published" situation.
[15:41:36 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> and if you control the nodes with views, then your all set.
[15:41:44 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> at first glance, I could see it working that way at least.
[15:41:49 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Cool.
[15:42:13 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> We actually want users to be able to control whether or not their in progress stuff is viewable by the public... sort of how a wiki works.
[15:42:33 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Otherwise if they prefer not to, they can have their incomplete stuff "private" or not published.
[15:43:28 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> We're not set on any approach, so hopefully you can help us determine what's technically possible. lol
[15:43:43 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> (smile) well, anything is technically possible. thats why I like drupal.
[15:43:47 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> its all just how you want to do it.
[15:43:58 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> I've written some basic custom modules as well, so there are always options.
[15:44:39 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Oooh. Nice. Hopefully we can make due with pre-canned modules, but it's good to know we can go that route if needed.
[15:45:29 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> I'm sure we can, there are SOO many to choose from.
[15:45:38 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Seriously.
[15:45:43 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> I love it.
[15:46:03 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> although I really don't like the way they are organized on the drupal.org
[15:46:08 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> well, thats not true, I don't like the searching.
[15:46:45 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> any other features your looking to put in, I can get my thinking cap on.
[15:47:02 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Hmmm... let me think...
[15:48:40 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> We're also going to need to beef up security a little. We're going to open up some of the features like comments, so we're going to need a good (but not annoying) anti-spam module.
[15:49:28 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> yeah, I was actually looking at captcha's today. I found some alternates to the standard image. I'm pretty sure its more of a random question generator "a cat says?" "are you a human?" stuff like that.
[15:49:40 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Also we're looking to have nodes collaboratively editable by a group of users. So setting up those groups and making it easy to use, etc.
[15:50:04 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Yes! I like those much better than captchas.
[15:50:14 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> yeah, they add some personality to the site.
[15:50:32 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Just stupid obvious questions that humans will know the answer to, but not a bot.
[15:50:38 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> yeah, basically.
[15:50:45 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> and if we have spam issues, we can bump it up.
[15:50:57 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> anything short of the cats and dogs that rapidshare does. sigh
[15:51:37 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> as for the collaboratively editable part should be easy enough. Maybe fun to track the changes etc, but its just setting up our system and then controlling the permissions.
[15:52:21 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Yeah, tracking changes is going to be important.
[15:52:33 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> probably just setting up an action.
[15:52:39 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> Have you used the actions module?
[15:52:45 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Nope.
[15:52:59 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> should take a look at it. its powerful. and of course, integrates into views.
[15:53:04 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> hence... "always use views"
[15:53:18 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Cool. I'll take a look at it before friday.
[15:54:36 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> You have a cell phone? May be easier to coordinate meeting on Friday.
[15:54:42 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> yea sure.
[15:54:48 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Send it to me in email.
[15:55:22 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> sure.
[15:56:58 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> sent you an email w directions.
[15:57:31 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> yep, got it
[15:58:46 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> coolness. I'll see you Friday then.
[15:59:53 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> yeah.
[15:59:59 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> (smile)
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[16:09:49 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> lessthanzero: ?
[16:10:11 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> just saw your friday plans – does that work out still for your mtg. with ron and david?
[16:11:10 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> jessm: oh jeez, heh. nice to have you around. let me check. If need be I can do it from UofT. I'm pretty sure we wanted to have all our meetings thru connect now.
[16:11:49 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ah, ok
[16:13:42 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> Is that time slot okay still? We can move it around if needed.
[16:18:33 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> oh, i'm sure it is, i'm not in toronto, but i just happened to remember that you had a mtg. with Ron on Friday
[16:18:47 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> so, if you and toronto are ok, then you're ok
[16:22:45 EDT(-0400)] <jonathan_h> see you all later!
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[16:37:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> lessthanzero: You're certainly welcome to do your Friday meeting here if you want. We'll set you up with network access, etc.
[16:38:14 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> colinclark: that sounds great. I'm sure it won't be a problem doing the meeting remotely (smile)
[16:38:17 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> thanks colin.
[16:38:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> wicked
[16:38:34 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> yeah.
[16:39:01 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero> I'm actually pretty jazzed to help out with the drupal stuff. I always take up any offer to work with it.
[16:39:26 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> That's great. It's great to have your help.
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