fluid-work IRC Logs-2012-05-14

[08:40:16 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> anastasiac: from the iteration plan, seems the focus of this week is IDI website. I wonder how far you get with the institution page. shall I carry on with it?

[08:40:57 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> cindyli, thanks. I think the institution page is pretty much done now (except for the creation of actual content, which is waiting on the partners

[08:41:18 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> we have a number of small styling bugs listed on the iteration plan. James has ranked them in order of importance

[08:41:49 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> One of the important ones, cindyli, is testing with screen readers

[08:41:53 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> do you think you could start on that

[08:41:54 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> ?

[08:41:58 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> sure, anastasiac

[08:42:04 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> great, thanks

[08:42:08 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> np

[09:05:55 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: hello.. i see you pushed up some changes.. haven't had a chance to look at them yet though.. but will do that now..

[09:06:05 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: is that all of your changes or is there more to come?

[09:07:19 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled, cindyli, I make a small update to the dev site over the weekend, so please update from github

[09:07:35 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> ok, anastasiac

[09:08:30 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> ok, thx

[09:10:08 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> alexn1: is today a cspace day for you?

[09:10:38 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> jvass: ping

[09:11:13 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> michelled: This week should be 50/50 cspace with Floe. I can do either of those 2. What do you suggest me to focus on ?

[09:11:41 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> jessm: yes?

[09:12:01 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> jvass: how are things going with coordinating the presos for the launch?

[09:14:45 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> alexn: I think you should stick to the 50/50

[09:16:01 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> jessm: good, we have a rough animation and are going to fill in all the details this week. I talked to Bert on friday, but he said he doesn't have access to 49 McCaul yet. I'm going to check with him again today.

[09:19:18 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> jvass: you've got the IDI-general preso going, but what about the project-specific one? and did you get in touch with jan and greggy1?

[09:22:27 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> jessm: no, I haven't, I'll start gathering all the project material as well today

[09:22:54 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> jvass: great, so two presos

[09:23:44 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> jessm: yes

[09:23:51 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> cool

[09:38:28 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> anastasiac, cindyli, alexn: I reorganized the list of tasks on the wiki planning page

[09:38:38 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> ok

[09:38:49 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> can you edit the page to say what you're working on?

[09:39:15 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled, thanks for organizing that - much easier to process

[09:39:24 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> yeah

[09:39:46 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> after stand up jvass is going to look at all our completed tasks and tell us whether we have actually completed them

[10:36:20 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> michelled, jvass, anastasiac: where are you going to check up on the website?

[10:37:39 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> hey everyone: looks like standup is already over… I'm doing c4a org. today and i'm also touching base with a number of you re: IDI launch needs, etc.

[10:50:21 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> anastasiac: do you have time this aft. to go through some content together?

[11:05:44 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> jessm, yes, let's go through content this afternoon - any time after 1pm?

[11:19:15 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> anastasiac: i'll ping you

[11:19:22 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> k

[11:22:52 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled: https://github.com/inclusive-design/idi-theme/pull/26

[12:48:49 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: should the download link be called "Download" or "Download Link"?

[12:53:19 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Should say: "Download PDF"

[12:54:13 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: okay.. i'll file that one

[13:07:49 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> alexn and cindyli: I just pushed some tweaks from michelled up to the idi-theme development branch; feel free to update

[13:08:06 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> ok

[13:10:26 CDT(-0500)] <alexn> ok thx

[13:11:44 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> jessm, I'm ready to talk content any time you are

[13:11:57 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: okay.. i've filed 6 liras so far against Decapod

[13:12:16 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Blockers:

[13:12:17 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/DECA-244

[13:12:18 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/DECA-247

[13:12:20 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Critical:

[13:12:21 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/DECA-245

[13:12:23 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/DECA-249

[13:12:24 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Major:

[13:12:25 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/DECA-246

[13:12:26 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/DECA-248

[13:12:47 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: let me know if you agree on the prioritization of those.. i figure that anything below a blocker will not get done for this release

[13:22:43 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> That looks about right Justin_o

[13:22:56 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Maybe you can tackle DECA-247?

[13:23:03 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: sure.. can do

[13:23:07 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I'm working on Deca-244 right now.

[13:23:14 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: sounds good

[13:24:56 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> for DECA-246, we may be able to fix it by simply giving it an alpha blend. Not sure if it'll look okay since the icon is green, but perhaps it may be enough?

[13:29:28 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: cool.. i guess we can check that out next.. imagine the the 'browse files/add more' would have the same problem

[13:32:36 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> justin_o yes it would.

[13:52:39 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: DECA-247 has been resolved

[13:58:38 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: another issue http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/DECA-251

[13:58:55 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> that's going to be annoying because debugging doesn't work very well in FF for those unit tests

[14:00:18 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: have you noticed that when IoC is used a lot.. unit tests will run super slow with firebug open. I think it's because of all the console logging.

[14:00:33 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> although those are needed when debugging

[14:00:44 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - this issue is resolved in the latest "alpha" of Firebug

[14:00:48 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> See if it goes away when you upgrade

[14:01:15 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: oh good to know.. is that version available for FF 12 or 13?

[14:01:19 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84> Hey Bosmon

[14:01:34 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Hey travis_84!

[14:01:40 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Why u no accept me on Skype? : P

[14:01:50 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - I think it works in all the recent Firefoxes yes

[14:02:06 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: thanks.. i'll see if i can pull it down then

[14:02:08 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> "Firefoxen" as the pretentious would have it : P

[14:02:37 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84> oh sorry, I haven't opened it lately

[14:02:56 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: your ":" and "p" are a bit disconnected.. i'm missing my smilie with the tongue out

[14:03:39 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - Yes, I switched to this form, since as I repeatedly argued before, it isn't actually my intention to express a smily with the tongue hanging out

[14:03:46 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> This way, you see exactly what I see : P

[14:04:18 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: okay so what does : P represent then?

[14:04:27 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> hahahaha

[14:04:32 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> That might take longer to figure out

[14:04:36 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Similarly to "....."

[14:04:46 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> +1 for cross platform consistency though

[14:05:37 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes, we should probably make a Fluidic standard for "non-smilies"

[14:06:01 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> i guess they'd have to be configurable

[14:06:49 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84> well we are working with a inclusive organization, so Bosmon is doing his job even in chat

[14:06:57 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: by the way, you're right the alpha seems to be working fine. Thanks.. it would have been impossible for me to debug this.

[14:07:20 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> That's cool, Justin_o

[14:07:32 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> The situation got so absurd before I asked on the Firebug forum

[14:07:46 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Since it seemed only capable of spewing out about 10 logging messages per second

[14:08:00 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: that's a bit ridiculous

[14:08:25 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But as far as I can see, it is back up to full speed again with this alpha

[14:09:15 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: yes..looks pretty good.. it used to take me about an hour or so to get it all through.. now it's flying along

[14:09:34 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Ouch.....

[14:11:47 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> How's it going, travis_84?

[14:11:52 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Need any help/pointers?

[14:11:59 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> We should have a call this week with michelled

[14:12:20 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> In the meantime, here is a picture of a CATT

[14:12:21 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/36b709/

[14:13:35 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> Bosmon: is michelleD in this week?

[14:13:48 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes, she is

[14:14:06 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Probably at lunch now

[14:14:26 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> alright, np

[14:14:48 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> So about the blog comment...

[14:15:04 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes, sure

[14:15:14 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I didn't really mean it to be "normative", just "suggestive" : P

[14:19:03 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> anastasiac: ping

[14:20:18 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84> My connection sucks today sorry

[14:20:29 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: quick question.. if i use a fluid decorator in the renderer.. which creates a fluid component that itself uses the renderer… when the after render from the parent component fires.. will the component created with the decorator be guaranteed to have been created

[14:20:36 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: not sure that makes sense

[14:20:55 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o sure, the components are constructed synchronously

[14:20:57 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jessm: anastasiac is out for coffee at the moment, she should be back shortly though

[14:21:24 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> Justin_o: roger that

[14:21:42 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: is that still true if the component created by the decorator has a call to fetch resources?

[14:22:09 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - well, that's your affair : P

[14:22:35 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But in general a component creator with the current framework should not make a call to fetchResources that will be asynchronous

[14:22:52 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> You should have ensured that the I/O has already been done by the time its creator executes

[14:23:26 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: i see..so the parent should fetch the resources for all those components anyways

[14:23:54 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes

[14:23:56 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> I think i've done that in the cases that used component blocks.. just not for the ones created as renderer decorators

[14:24:01 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I think we had some chats about this before

[14:24:13 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well, you should treat components in renderer decorators just the same as subcomponents

[14:24:17 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> They become subcomponents in any case

[14:24:41 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: right.. that last statement does sound familiar

[14:25:31 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> jessm, I'm back now

[14:26:12 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> travis_84 - you were going to ask about the comment?

[14:35:17 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> anastasiac, jameswy, jvass: with idi site, i noticed "skip to content" link leads to the full content containing left and right side menus. is that what we expect?

[14:35:44 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> cindyli: You mean a hidden link?

[14:36:01 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> yes, jameswy, the hidden link at the very top of each page

[14:37:22 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> cindyli: A skip link to the main content is something we want

[14:38:55 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> certainly, jameswy, but the content it leads to should only contain the main content which is at the centre of the page, or the parts including left side menu + centre content + right side menu?

[14:40:19 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> jameswy: example page - http://dev.inclusivedesign.ca/about/

[14:41:38 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> cindyli: It should be to the main content, not the side bars.

[14:41:47 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> You're right.

[14:41:48 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> ok, i see, jameswy

[14:41:52 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> thanks

[14:42:42 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> jvass, jameswy, can you see this page http://172.16.2.80:8888/infrastructure/ and if so, are the column widths and space between the columns ok?

[14:43:04 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> anastasiac: skype?

[14:43:13 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> jessm, sure

[14:43:17 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> anastasiac: I can't see it

[14:43:29 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> jvass, can you?

[14:43:40 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> anastasiac: that's ur local URL

[14:43:54 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, I know cinsyli, jvass should be able to access it

[14:43:57 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> justin_o: filed http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/DECA-252

[14:47:18 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: thanks.. i've commented on that

[14:52:10 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> justin_o: any idea how to apply focus styling to the uploader button?

[14:52:40 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: let me take a look

[14:54:31 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: adding focus styles to ds-exporter-uploadBrowse didn't work?

[15:00:57 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> anastasiac: the spacing look right, but i just realized the large heading is a bit too big, I think it should be the same size as the About section heading so that it takes up two lines instead of three

[15:01:49 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> oh also, Facilities doesn't look aligned to Equipment?

[15:02:20 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> just the title

[15:07:44 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> anastasiac: sorry another thing i noticed, the large heading should align with location instead of the location icon

[15:09:32 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> jvass thanks for the feedback, I'll fix it up

[15:12:19 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> jvass, regarding the alignment of "facilities" and "equipment": which edge should be aligned, right or left?

[15:13:55 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> anastasiac: do you have a minute to chat about the approach to fix up "skip to content" link. The approach in my mind has a relatively big impact on almost every page.

[15:14:10 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'll come over in a sec cindyli

[15:14:15 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> thanks, anastasiac

[15:26:40 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> anastasiac: http://html5doctor.com/avoiding-common-html5-mistakes/

[15:26:50 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> thanks, cindyli

[15:26:55 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> np