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fluid-work IRC Logs-2012-05-22

fluid-work IRC Logs-2012-05-22

May 22, 2012

[09:05:00 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Morning, michelled

[09:05:11 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> hi colinclark

[09:05:13 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> cindyli, michelled, alelxn1: As always, please update from the development branch - there were some changes over the weekend

[09:05:26 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> We have another blocker for the IDI site that I noticed while testing Avtar's soft-soft-launch on Friday

[09:05:41 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> The site is essentially unreadable in Chrome on Windows, I'm afraid

[09:06:10 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I don't know if it's Chrome's poor font rendering on Windows or something to do with our styles

[09:06:19 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> but in the worst case, I imagine we'll have to swap fonts on Chrome on Windows

[09:06:35 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> ok, that's good to know

[09:06:40 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I'm glad you found it

[09:06:56 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I'll add it to our blocker list

[09:14:06 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> cool

[10:49:19 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> michelled: Justin_o: can we three Skype quickly?

[10:50:30 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> sure

[10:50:44 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jessm: sure

[10:51:06 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> michelled: Justin_o: i'll start it in a moment...

[10:51:18 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jessm: no problem.. i just logged in

[11:49:31 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: how'd the testing go\\\\\\\{color}

[11:49:38 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> cindyli: have you pushed your branch recently?

[11:49:43 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> oops… didn't mean to put in all those {color}

[11:49:52 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I think it would be good for me to merge that in as I'm working

[11:50:37 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> ok, i will push now, michelled, it's not a complete fix yet.

[11:50:41 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> justin_o: testing is good.

[11:50:49 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> thx cindyli - which branch is it?

[11:50:50 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I think we can roll with the latest

[11:51:01 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: cool.. i'm going to start updating the install scripts then

[11:55:31 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> michelled: https://github.com/cindyli/idi-theme/tree/IDI-38

[11:56:10 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> thx!

[12:44:03 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Good morning. (smile)

[12:49:53 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: hello.. good morning.. it's afternoon for us over here in Toronto (smile)

[12:50:57 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: so i am free to chat now.. didn't end up being away at this time as I had thought

[12:51:26 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: jhung has been pulled into another meeting that will start in 10min though

[12:52:06 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> asteig, justin_o: I am here for now.

[12:55:08 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> fluid-everyone: I wonder if we should organize one of these https://webmaker.org/en-US/events/

[12:55:12 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Okay, cool. (smile)

[12:55:27 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Did you guys have a chance to look at the manual tests I sent over last week?

[13:02:15 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: yes.. i took a quick read through..

[13:02:51 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: it seems general.. in that it is independent of a specific UI

[13:03:01 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> which i take it is what you were going for

[13:03:26 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Justin_o: Yeah, I should have done this week's work last week and swapped them around. This week I'm actually coming up with the design specs.

[13:03:50 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> So I'll probably revisit the original manual tests after I finish with all the mocks and things.

[13:06:05 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Also, I still need to post a blog post. Finishing that up. It's written, but I want to revise it.

[13:06:25 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: yah no problem..

[13:07:00 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Justin_o: Anything I should be keeping in mind while doing the design?

[13:07:01 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: that all sounds good

[13:07:58 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: i was going to ask you if you've started looking around for any design inspirations or anything?

[13:11:29 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Justin_o: Yeah, when I was researching different algorithms, I came across a lot of demo apps that give me a pretty good idea of what I want to do with it.

[13:12:04 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: great.. jhung would probably have more input in this aspect.. but i'll try to fill in for him now (smile)

[13:12:18 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Justin_o: I've also done a couple image editors in the past for cropping and things, so I want to follow the same 'be super simple' principle.

[13:12:36 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Justin_o: Alright, sound good. (smile)

[13:13:28 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: that sounds great.. keeping things simple for the user is always ideal… and maintaining consistency is also a good approach.. meaning maintaining common interactions for the various features

[13:13:50 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: although if you have a ground breaking approach that is better, don't be afraid to try it…

[13:14:14 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Justin_o: Alright, I'll let you know if that happens. (big grin)

[13:14:38 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: of course you'll also want to make sure to think about how someone only using a keyboard, for instance, would use the interface.. as you did for the sudoku app…

[13:15:53 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Justin_o: Will do. (smile)

[13:15:55 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: if you can, you might also want to draw up your designs (wireframe) and get some early feedback.. jhung should be able to give you some advice on getting that early feedback

[13:16:12 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Justin_o: Alright, I can do that.

[13:16:55 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: before i forget.. i'll send you a reply on your message to the list.. hopefully today or tomorrow..

[13:17:13 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Justin_o: Yay, replies! LOL

[13:17:34 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: (smile) yah sorry.. it was a bit quite there.. it can be hit and miss at times

[13:17:44 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> but it was a really good introduction e-mail

[13:17:55 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Justin_o: No worries. Thanks. (smile)

[13:18:28 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: did you have any more questions, comments, or concerns before we continue?

[13:18:46 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Justin_o: Nope, I'm good. (smile)

[13:19:37 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: great.. okay.. so next question from me was if you've had any more time to look at Infusion and how that was going

[13:20:59 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Justin_o: Yeah, I looked at it more. I think with all the examples available it'll be easy to figure it out as I start coding. It looks similar to some frameworks I've worked on actually.

[13:21:42 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: okay.. that's great… but feel free to ping us if you have any questions… by the way, which frameworks have you worked with in the past?

[13:22:02 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Justin_o: MooTools mostly

[13:22:20 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Justin_o: Some jQuery, enough to know my way around.

[13:23:07 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: okay.. that's good.. Infusion is built on top of jQuery

[13:24:34 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> we do some things differently, but i think it should be okay

[13:32:03 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> anastasiac, michelled, i just sent out a pull request to apply smaller size of icons onto lower version of IE: https://github.com/inclusive-design/idi-theme/pull/46, you may like to merge this change with the stylesheet for IE6, 7.

[13:32:34 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> asteig: I read over the chat log. Looks like you're off to a good start. I can give you feedback about designs whenever you want. Also I'll send you a list of things to mull over when designing a UI.

[13:32:49 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> cindyli, I was just about to look at your pull request. we'll update our stylesheet too, thanks

[13:32:56 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> jhung: Sounds great, thanks! (smile)

[13:38:14 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> hey Justin_o you mentioned your monster Mac Pro earlier today

[13:38:28 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> is it in shape where Michelle could easily connect to it and use its wonderful suite of VMs?

[13:39:32 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> cindyli, in your latest pull request, the hover versions of the high-contrast versions don't seem to be right - do they look ok for you?

[13:39:45 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark: more or less yes.. i can get michelled set up on it

[13:40:05 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> Justin_o: wasn't there an issue with VMWare on that box?

[13:40:09 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> did I misunderstand?

[13:41:21 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> cindyli, this is in 7 and 6; 8 seems ok, I think

[13:41:24 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: i can get it fixed up for you i think

[13:43:51 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> anastasiac: tried 8 seems ok. i also noticed some or perhaps all stylings in style-ltie9.css are not applied on 6, 7

[13:44:26 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> cindyli, also, the 'read more' chevrons aren't right in high-contrast, even in IE8

[13:44:39 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> ok

[13:46:29 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> cindyli, actually it's the general hover style in ie6 and 7: it's inverting, instead of the border, so the logo is invisible. hm...

[13:47:59 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> cindyli, I'm going to push this anyway; we can figure out the focus styling separately

[13:48:35 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled, cindyli, alexn1: cindy's branch was just pushed, please update

[13:48:36 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> one sec, anastasiac, i found the arrow-yellow.gif actually is in white color, will get the right one from jvass

[13:48:48 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> alexn1: does it look like the circles fix will be ready for 3:00?

[13:48:50 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> alrite, pushed. i will send another pull request

[13:49:06 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> michelled: I'm very close but I'm not sure about 3:00

[13:49:22 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> you can checkout my IDI-36 branch

[13:49:25 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> and see how it looks

[13:49:37 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> it looks very good but I'm trying to get rid of borders

[13:50:10 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> cindyli, you said you pushed more changes? I'm not seeing them when I fetch

[13:51:24 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> not yet, anastasiac, the change will happen later after i get the right image

[13:51:35 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> ah, ok, that explains it

[14:04:50 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> cindyli, alexn1, I just pushed michelled changes for ie6&7

[14:04:59 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> please update the wordpress base theme as well as idi-theme

[14:06:52 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> anastasiac: committed more into pull request for IDI-38: https://github.com/inclusive-design/idi-theme/pull/46, can you review and merge?

[14:07:15 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> will do, cindyli

[14:07:18 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> thanks

[14:08:45 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> jvass: the font family "lato" we use for idi site is too light to read in chrome/windows. do we have an alternative for that?

[14:12:24 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled, cindyli, alexn1: I've pushed alex's coloured circles fix to the dev branch. I think everything we've got so far is pushed, so as soon as the dev site refreshed (<15m) we can switch to testing mode)

[14:13:03 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> anastasiac, michelled, alexn1, what about the chrome fix? i'm working on that.

[14:13:07 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> anastasiac: pull request is not closed yet

[14:13:22 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> alexn1, there's still one issue with the circles: transparent pngs don't work in IE6, they have to be gifs. I pushed anyway, since it's an improvement, but we'll have to take care of it at some point

[14:13:34 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> I know that there should be some conflicts

[14:13:56 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> well I was concentrating on IE8 specifically (smile)

[14:15:19 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> anastasiac: did you have a chance to push IDI-37 into dev branch ?

[14:15:36 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> alexn1, remind me what's in IDI-37?

[14:15:44 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> it is the one which would make background images to be light gray for cluster pages

[14:15:59 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> and also it should add a background image for the front page

[14:16:07 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> ah!

[14:16:08 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> right

[14:16:09 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> on it

[14:17:24 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> I updated the branch so it should merge smoothly

[14:24:23 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> alexn1, cindyli, michelled: everyone is now pushed. The dev site should update soon, then we test. No further merges till after testing

[14:25:16 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> michelled: Joanna mentioned that she might give me high contrast circle images with borders.

[14:31:30 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled, alexn1, cindyli: the dev site is now fully up-to-date. TIme to start testing

[14:31:39 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> ok, anastasiac

[14:31:49 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark, jessm: could you test too?

[14:32:02 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> we want to make sure we haven't caused any regressions on the modern browsers, and that we've create improvements in the older browsers

[14:32:07 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I can, at least for about 30 minutes

[14:32:17 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> can you assign me a browser or an area of the site?

[14:32:33 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: I think you should look at IE8

[14:32:34 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> i'm on it if you also tell me browser

[14:32:36 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> i'm on mac

[14:33:08 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> jessm: could you take FF and Safari?

[14:33:32 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> michelled: got it

[14:33:38 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> to double-check what's changed, we can compare against the production site

[14:33:44 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> cindyli, alexn1: could one of you do IE6? anastasiac and I made the changes so it makes sense for someone else to look at the results

[14:34:02 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> ok, i will do it

[14:34:26 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> alexn1: could you take IE7?

[14:34:49 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> anastasiac: do you want to take chrome?

[14:34:54 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I'll take IE9

[14:34:55 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> will do

[14:36:18 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> chrome and firefox on which platform, michelled?

[14:37:56 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: jessm is doing mac - we need someone to pick up windows

[14:38:21 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: sorry, i'm probably just confused...

[14:38:24 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> cindyli: I just updated the wiki page with a list of known issues in IE6 that I will be dealing with later

[14:38:28 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> you're saying jessm is doing chrome and firefox on mac?

[14:38:34 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> yes

[14:38:35 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> ok, michelled

[14:38:36 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> and anastasiac is doing chrome on windows?

[14:38:51 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: no, I'm confusing things - sorry

[14:39:01 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> anastasiac: on about page, the picture of "Jamie McIntyre" is missing.

[14:39:02 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> I was starting with chrome on windows

[14:39:18 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> cindyli, yes, there is no picture available. jvass is going to create a placeholder

[14:39:22 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> ok

[14:39:27 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: jessm is doing FF and Safari on mac

[14:39:40 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> anastasiac: would you do chrome on both mac and windows?

[14:39:58 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> certainly - I was going to, if no one else got there first

[14:43:08 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> anastasiac, colinclark, cindyli, alexn1, jessm: please also pay attention to things you feel are must fix that we haven't got to and aren't listed on the wiki planning page

[14:43:16 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Floe+Iteration+Plan

[14:45:56 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> and when ever someone feels good about the platforms they are testing, FF windows is up for grabs

[14:47:27 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84> ok let's hope I don't keep getting dc'd

[14:48:51 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84> michelled: are you around?

[14:49:12 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> hi travis_84, yep, I'm around

[14:49:16 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> sorry we haven't connected yet

[14:49:25 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I hear you and Bosmon have been having some good conversations

[14:50:03 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84> no it's fine, we have been yes

[14:50:25 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84> though I am finding myself stuck on UI/UX

[14:52:08 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84> I have updated the UI wireframes I sent him last week to be less "dialoggy" as he put it

[14:52:57 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84> but I feel it still not quite there

[14:53:18 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> travis_84: iterating on design is a great way to go

[14:53:29 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> have you put your most recent wireframes up somewhere?

[14:55:33 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84> No not yet, I can send via skype or type a quick blog post with em

[14:56:13 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84> w/e is easier

[14:59:57 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> travis_84: a blog post would be cool, just for those of us who are excited to follow along with your work from afar

[14:59:59 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> probably better to make a blog post

[15:00:13 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> yes, what colinclark said (smile)

[15:00:24 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> michelled: Should we write down about issues we find somewhere in JIRA or should we write them just in some document and we are going to go through it with everybody later on.

[15:00:38 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> michelled: because I found couple of minor things

[15:00:58 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> alexn1: I guess we could talk about them here (smile)

[15:02:02 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84> colinclark & michelled: alright I will write one up now.

[15:02:11 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> cool,!

[15:02:26 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> thanks travis_84!

[15:03:29 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84> np!

[15:11:30 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> michelled: should we all get together at 4:30 and share what we found ?

[15:11:57 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> alexn1: I have an idea

[15:12:05 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> (smile)

[15:12:11 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> The focus highlight in IE8 is pretty distracting

[15:12:12 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> I like when you have ideas colinclark

[15:12:15 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> lol

[15:12:23 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> it's a bit dangerous, isn't it? (tongue)

[15:12:24 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> I mean I like your ideas

[15:12:47 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> yeah, focus on IE8… it's applied on the body

[15:12:58 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I assume this affects other IEs, too?

[15:13:22 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> It's quite interesting because when we load the page, it applies focus around little rectangle until the markup has loaded, then around the whole page

[15:13:46 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Anyway, could we, in IE only, override the body's focus style so that it doesn't appear?

[15:13:46 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> colinclark: I'm pretty sure it behaves the same in other browsers

[15:13:56 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> But still does appear on all the other elements on the page?

[15:14:38 CDT(-0500)]

<colinclark> I imagine it might just be a declaration like body:focus

Unknown macro: { border}

, maybe?

[15:15:10 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> border: none probably (smile)

[15:15:27 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> lol

[15:15:31 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> yes

[15:15:40 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> like I say… it's dangerous when I get ideas (tongue)

[15:16:51 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> I just realized that I was making my tests in IE8 while I had to do in IE7

[15:16:53 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> :S

[15:16:59 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> uh oh

[15:18:47 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> do you want to switch, alexn1?

[15:18:57 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I haven't gotten all that far along--it wouldn't be terrible for me to switch

[15:19:33 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> anastasiac: I added a placeholder for the People section http://wiki.fluidproject.org/download/attachments/29954412/icons-peopleplaceholder.zip?version=1&amp;modificationDate=1337717808756

[15:19:41 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> jvass, thanks!

[15:20:39 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> michelled: any word on that idi update?

[15:20:57 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> avtar: good timing (smile)

[15:21:08 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> we are just testing it now and deciding whether anything has regressed

[15:21:22 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> All this browser testing seems to make for a good time to share this article about browser usage

[15:21:22 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/343501/20120521/google-chrome-world-1-web-browser.htm

[15:21:32 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I, for one, am going to go off and cry now

[15:21:44 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> anastasiac, alexn1, cindyli, colinclark, jessm: how's testing coming for you? Have you found an regressions?

[15:22:01 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: I'm trying to determine if i should switch to IE7 for alexn1

[15:22:07 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> I found couple of things which might attract your attention

[15:22:08 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> so far on 8, I've been impressed

[15:22:10 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> michelled: i'm just poking – are there specific things i should be focusing on and testing?

[15:22:26 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> alexn1: before you tell me about them - do they exist on the public site?

[15:22:27 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> I managed to switch to IE7 finally and will let you know soon about my findings

[15:22:28 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled, I don't see any issues in Chrome that weren't already there

[15:22:42 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> emm I think they do exist on the public site

[15:23:15 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: That includes the fact that the site is essentially unreadable in Chrome, right?

[15:23:17 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> could you double check that alexn1? we'd like to push what we've done today but only if we don't make the public site worse

[15:23:19 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> jessm, most of the things that were changed death with focus styling, the circles on the front page, the grey line-drawing background images, and the main navigation icons

[15:23:32 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark, right (smile)

[15:23:44 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> details! (smile)

[15:23:53 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> anastasiac: it looks awesome in safari and FF

[15:24:49 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: cindyli is attacking that one next

[15:24:55 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> sorry, colinclark, probably a result of the verbal conversation michelled and I had: We're trying to decide if there are any regressions that would prevent us from migrating today's changes to the production site, so the primary question is: did we break anything

[15:24:56 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: it should be in tomorrow's push

[15:25:10 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I was just kidding

[15:25:28 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> (smile)

[15:25:50 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> unreadable on the worlds most popular browser, no big deal

[15:25:54 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> what a sad universe

[15:25:58 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> cindyli: how'd IE6 look?

[15:25:58 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> where chrome is the #1 browser

[15:26:13 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> colinclark: sounds pretty awesome to me

[15:26:25 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> avtar hates freedom (tongue)

[15:26:30 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> michelled: 1. hover styling on navigation menu items shifts the page text below the nav bar.

[15:26:34 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> 2. on "ocadu" page, incorrect size of project logos on atutor, aegis, gpii

[15:26:47 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> michelled: http://dev.inclusivedesign.ca/research/ocadu/ should we disable tabbing for the "visit project page" links ?

[15:26:55 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> is chrome really the #1 browser?

[15:26:55 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> and is it all because of angry birds?

[15:27:01 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> cindyli, are these issues that are not present on the production site?

[15:27:05 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I blame angry birds, yes, jessm

[15:27:29 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> oh, anastasiac, i didn't compare with production.

[15:27:36 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> will do it now

[15:27:44 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> can someone take a screen shot of chrome?

[15:27:47 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> on windows

[15:27:53 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> i can, yes

[15:28:37 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> IE7 has also a very weak hard to read font btw

[15:29:07 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> anastasiac: the news and research pages in google chrome have issues

[15:29:10 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> but that isn't new

[15:29:45 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> oh, double-check, that was my browser size i think

[15:29:51 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: http://picpaste.com/pics/Screen_Shot_2012-05-22_at_4.28.33_PM-Yuh8TQJz.1337718571.png

[15:29:54 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> anastasiac, michelled, those IE6 issues are not in production. 3. increasing text size and line spacing to max causes the overlapping of the preference link and idi log

[15:30:31 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: woah

[15:31:00 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> guys please ignore my ie7 font comment

[15:31:18 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> I was checking in FireFox… for some reason the testing does not go well for me so far

[15:32:17 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> minor detail, but did we decide that this news post should stay up? http://dev.inclusivedesign.ca/second-post/

[15:32:23 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> and if so, is it the URL we want for it?

[15:32:27 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> jessm, could you elaborate on issues on news and research pages in chrome?

[15:32:51 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark, I checked with jutta - she said yes

[15:33:15 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> I guess at this point it would be considered "old news" ?

[15:33:24 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Are you sure you want to call it "second-post"?

[15:33:31 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> (in the URL)

[15:33:46 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> anastasiac: i think it was my fault – browser window was too small

[15:33:53 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> no, that slug should be fixed, definitely

[15:33:59 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> thanks for catching that, colinclark

[15:34:10 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> minor detail for sure

[15:34:23 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> and a good sign that things are looking pretty good in IE8

[15:35:10 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> honestly, michelled, the biggest issue I have found in IE8 is the focus indicator

[15:35:21 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> which appears in apparently random spots as i click on the page

[15:35:43 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> clearly IE has a different model for the relationship between click and focus

[15:36:21 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> you guys did a sweet job of making IE8 look pretty hot!

[15:42:49 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: the focus indicator issue is on production right?

[15:43:00 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> let me check

[15:43:21 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> so far I found few issues here and there but no regressions

[15:43:24 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> cindyli, michelled, the incorrect logo sizes may not be a regression (checking now) - that info is in the actual database, and I updated the production database yesterday - I may have not put the same changes in the dev site

[15:43:35 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I'm getting down to a short list here. I chatted with cindyli and she did find a couple regressions but they are minor and the fixes out weigh them

[15:44:14 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> confirmed: the project logo size is not a regression - it will say fine on the production site

[15:44:59 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: Yes, the focus indicator issue is on the production site

[15:45:08 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I gotta say, folks, it's such a wonderful comparison

[15:45:21 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> IE 8 is so smooth on dev, so blocky and buggy on prod

[15:45:30 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> you guys made a huge improvement in only a few hours!

[15:45:32 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> nice work

[15:46:23 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> (smile)

[15:46:38 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> ok, I check FF on windows - no regressions

[15:46:49 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I do hate the way the font is so bad though (sad)

[15:47:10 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> so, I've got a check mark beside everything except IE7

[15:47:13 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> alexn1: any news?

[15:47:37 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> oh dear!

[15:47:48 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled, the font issue in FF is very strange - it looks fine on google's own web fonts page

[15:47:51 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> the font is nearly as bad on Windows FF as in Chrome!

[15:48:03 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Yes, that's exactly what Bosmon observed on Friday

[15:48:14 CDT(-0500)] <alexn1> michelled: so far cannot spot any regressions except of the white chevron on the yellow on black theme

[15:48:30 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> nearly, but not quite

[15:48:49 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> oddly, it looks crappy on the web fonts page on chrome

[15:48:49 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> The FF version could be called "broadly acceptable" whereas the Chrome rendering of it was "clearly awful" : P

[15:49:04 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> anastasiac - I found it looked ok on the web fonts page?

[15:49:13 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> In particular, I think, because it was black

[15:49:14 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> boson, in FF, yes, but not in my chrome

[15:49:20 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> The poor Chrome rendering seems to be highly colour-dependent

[15:49:26 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> better than our site, but bad

[15:49:33 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> readable, I suppose

[15:50:05 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> ok, I think we should push these changes live. Any disagreement anastasiac, colinclark, alexn1, cindyli, jessm?

[15:50:11 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> cindyli, what was your fix for the font problem in chrome (and does it fix it in FF)?

[15:50:23 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled, no disagreement from me

[15:50:25 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> no, it doesn't fix in ff

[15:50:47 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> anastasiac - it's a shame there are no URLs on Google's stupid site - but I guess you mean this one? http://www.google.com/webfonts - in searching for "Lato" and using "Show all styles"

[15:50:56 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> anastasiac: the fix is to detect chrome browser and apply ariel font rather than lato

[15:51:05 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, yes, there

[15:51:05 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I find that all the variants are rendered well apart from the "ultra-light" version

[15:51:09 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Which for me has huge dropouts

[15:51:11 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> cindyli, ah, I see

[15:51:28 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: +1 for shipping this

[15:52:09 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> avtar: we got some lazy consensus going on (smile) let's push these changes up to production (smile)

[15:52:18 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> ok

[15:52:28 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> hey, michelled, are you calling me lazy?

[15:52:29 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> (tongue)

[15:52:38 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> no, you responded (wink)

[15:53:06 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> cindyli: Do we want to see if jvass has a suggestion for a "close enough" temporary font until we can resolve the deeper issue?

[15:53:33 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> anastasiac - which font size are you seeing bad rendering in on the webfonts page?

[15:53:44 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> colinclark: arial/helvetica is the alternative font that jvass suggested

[15:53:55 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ah, okay

[15:53:59 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> sorry (smile)

[15:54:08 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> no worries

[15:54:28 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, I'm looking now, and it looks fine. I think I've just got too many virtual machines open - I'm confusing myself

[15:55:35 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> michelled: done

[15:55:45 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> thx avtar!

[15:57:15 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> it looks a lot better in IE6 too - despite the long list of fixes that we still need to do (smile)

[19:15:52 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84> Bosmon: for you and the others. http://bit.ly/JnwF92