fluid-work IRC Logs-2012-05-18

[09:21:55 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Justin_o and jhung1: Good morning.

[09:22:15 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: hello.. good morning

[09:22:23 CDT(-0500)] <jhung1> good morning asteig. you're up early.

[09:22:38 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Yeah... still trying to figure out a schedule. LOL

[09:22:48 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: nice e-mail to the list, by the way

[09:22:59 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Thanks!

[09:23:04 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Working on the blog post today.

[09:23:17 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> I have an idea to run past you guys about the check-ins. Can we move them to Monday mornings instead of Friday mornings?

[09:23:32 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: i'm fine with that

[09:23:35 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I'm okay with that.

[09:24:03 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Awesome, that will work better. Then I can summarize what I did the previous week, and what I'm starting. Rather than just summarizing what I'm finishing up.

[09:24:03 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: what is the best time for you on monday?

[09:24:29 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Sounds logical

[09:24:33 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Sometime before noon my time is best probably.

[09:24:49 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> What works best for you in that range?

[09:25:27 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: we could probably do 1 or 2 our time, which I think would be 10 or 11 your time

[09:25:59 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> That sounds good. Want to shoot for 2 / 11?

[09:26:10 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: yes.. sounds good

[09:26:10 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Works for me

[09:26:18 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Great!

[09:26:25 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: just a heads up.. it'll be a holiday for us this coming monday

[09:26:52 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> So maybe we can chat Tuesday?

[09:26:59 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Alright, that sounds good.

[09:27:52 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> I'm sending you invites for the work I did so far this week. I wrote a bunch of manual tests for the functionality I'll be adding.

[09:28:03 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: i'll be out for a bit on tuesday… but should be back around 2.. so i might be a bit late

[09:28:16 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Okay, I'm pretty flexible so not a big deal.

[09:28:47 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: thanks.. and looking forward to seeing your tests

[09:29:13 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> I feel like I should have written the design specs and mocks before this step, but by the time I figured that out I was essentially done.

[09:29:26 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> But it is a really good start on the designs now that I have everything so detailed in the tests.

[09:30:41 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> asteig: that's great. We can iterate and revise as needed.

[09:31:20 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> I'll go over it more in detail with you guys on Tuesday.

[09:31:32 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Cool.

[09:33:22 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Okay, I'll be back later. I have to go find caffeine / breakfast.

[09:34:20 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> asteig: enjoy

[09:35:18 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> cya asteig.

[10:01:47 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> anastasiac, i noticed research and infrastructure page styling are messed up in IE8 on the windows laptop i'm using 'cuz its screen is not big enough. IE9 has no problem tho.

[10:02:26 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> yeah, cindyli, IE8 has not been a priority, but we should address it at some point

[10:02:40 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> ok. ic

[10:23:05 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: I'm going to work remotely today, but I'd be happy to sit in on the daily IDI site check-in remotely if that works

[10:26:28 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: we might do the daily check in a little later today because we are considering going live today

[10:26:29 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> we want to fine tune the content first

[10:41:13 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: Wouldn't it make sense to check in before deciding whether or not to go live?

[10:42:39 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: yes! that's the plan

[10:43:04 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: there are some known content issues that need to be figured out - anastasiac and jessm are meeting about them now

[10:43:09 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> then we'll check in

[10:43:12 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ok

[10:43:15 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> sounds good

[10:43:22 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess I just missed standup

[10:43:24 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> how did it go?

[10:44:20 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> My update, in case anyone is interested, is that I went to a Cloud4all Matchmaker meeting this morning, and have lots of thoughts on next steps for the GPII architecture team. I'm going to get some emails out about it, and then start to look into what's involved with turning on model transformation in the desktop framework

[10:44:44 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> (and I'm working at home today, but always available by Skype, IM, phone, whatever)

[10:46:21 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> anastasiac: your changes should be on the dev server now

[10:56:41 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> avtar, thanks. It's likely I might ask you for one more manual update this afternoon, for one final check before we move the site live

[10:56:58 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> np

[12:13:03 CDT(-0500)] <logiclord1> Hello everyone !

[12:13:19 CDT(-0500)] <logiclord1> yura1 : can we discuss now ?

[12:13:40 CDT(-0500)] <yura1> logiclord1: sure

[12:15:31 CDT(-0500)] <logiclord1> yura1 : I was trying out NVDA for different ePub readers e.g. http://threepress.org/static/epubjs/ and it seems to work in almost all of them ... are there any special functionality we want ?

[12:16:00 CDT(-0500)] <yura1> logiclord1: regarding the screen reader , mainly the fact that it would work with it

[12:16:36 CDT(-0500)] <logiclord1> okay

[12:17:43 CDT(-0500)] <logiclord1> How to tell epub reader to load a book ... I think adding a parameter during component instantiation and providing an interface which can reload a new ebook

[12:17:51 CDT(-0500)] <logiclord1> when given a path on server

[12:18:26 CDT(-0500)] <logiclord1> ?

[12:21:22 CDT(-0500)] <yura1> logiclord1: i was looking at your latest blog entry and one of the things you have listed is something that you would probably want to look at first - mockups

[12:23:43 CDT(-0500)] <logiclord1> okay ... mockups targeted towards arrangement of things/widgets ?

[12:23:52 CDT(-0500)] <yura1> logiclord1: regarding your question , i would probably start with simply being able to load a book from filesystem (via ajax,fluid.fetchResources method - which is identical to how it would work for loading from server) but keep in mind that it could be done via jsonp. Thus this part of the widget should be well parametrizable, as you said

[12:24:58 CDT(-0500)] <logiclord1> from arrangment I mean ... showing position of various features ?

[12:25:22 CDT(-0500)] <yura1> logiclord1: yes, the mockps/wireframes of the UI

[12:26:18 CDT(-0500)] <logiclord1> then should I mail you the mockups and my doubts along with it ?

[12:28:48 CDT(-0500)] <yura1> logiclord1: definitely , but ideall if you can post them somewhere - e.g. your blog , at least links to them. So we could go and iterate over them

[12:29:25 CDT(-0500)] <logiclord1> okay I will create an album and embedd in the blog

[12:29:40 CDT(-0500)] <yura1> logiclord1: i think this will help you figure out the initial hierarchy of components and start sketching the actual architecure

[12:29:45 CDT(-0500)] <yura1> architecture*

[12:30:40 CDT(-0500)] <logiclord1> yes i thought about that as well but was confused regarding configuration option

[12:33:29 CDT(-0500)] <yura1> logiclord1: yes the requirements are definitely sparse right now and starting to work mockups wireframes will help you scope things out better. My personal opinion is that things like providing an ability to load the books on the page is out of scope of the widget as it should be responsible for displaying and working with the book thus it only needs to know (in a configurable way) where the book is located, be that a file on the server/filesy

[12:34:39 CDT(-0500)] <logiclord1> okay lets go step by step I am creating mockups wireframes

[12:35:06 CDT(-0500)] <yura1> logiclord1: sounds good , we can adjust the assumptions/expectations as we go

[12:35:30 CDT(-0500)] <yura1> logiclord1: feel free to update your blog more frequently so I could give you a more refined feedback

[12:36:23 CDT(-0500)] <logiclord1> yes I was thinking that I should create categories like weekly status and in between posts etc

[12:37:28 CDT(-0500)] <yura1> logiclord1: ya

[12:38:45 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> anastasiac, michelled: i'm about to head out for lunch. do you have a rough estimate for when we would need to set up the new site?

[12:39:00 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> avtar, michelled just headed out, too

[12:39:18 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> we'll probably have something shortly after she's back

[12:39:25 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> ok cool

[12:39:53 CDT(-0500)] <logiclord1> yura1 : basically I have tried to go through documentations to get a feel of what exactly is possible

[12:51:04 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> avtar: I'm back now. I'm guessing we'll want the dev site built fairly soon

[12:51:22 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> avtar: and depending on that we'd want to put up the live site around 4:00

[12:51:34 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I wouldn't want to leave it any later on the day before the long weekend

[12:51:46 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> so if we aren't ready at 4:00 we'll have to wait until Tuesday

[12:52:52 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> either of those options works for me

[12:54:36 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> thx

[12:55:24 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> avtar: let us know when you're back from lunch

[12:59:47 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> michelled: will do

[13:00:56 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> do you want me to get the dev server to pull changes every 15 minutes in case you need to see the updates sooner than later?

[13:02:17 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> yes! that would be great avtar

[13:02:27 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> yeah, that would help, thanks avtar

[13:31:54 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: do you remember what we did with this one http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/DECA-231

[13:37:48 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> anastasiac, michelled: sorry, had this window hidden

[13:38:17 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> np, avtar, the site seems to be up to date now

[13:38:19 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> your changes should be getting pulled every 15 mins

[13:38:26 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> thanks! that's really helpful

[14:49:56 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli1> Bosmon: ayt?

[14:50:12 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Hi there cindyli1

[14:50:47 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli1> alex and I noticed a problem with the dropdown menu rendering

[14:50:56 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli1> if you look at this page: http://build.fluidproject.org/infusion/demos/uiOptions/html/uiOptions.html

[14:51:08 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli1> inspect "text style" dropdown box

[14:51:36 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli1> pay attention to the <label> "for" attribute

[14:52:02 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli1> it's associate with the <select> "name" attribute

[14:52:50 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I see that, yes

[14:52:54 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> It looks like a renderer bug

[14:53:00 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Would you like to JIRA it? : P

[14:53:07 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli1> sure

[14:53:12 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Btw, I am thinking that it would be best to disable the vertical scrollbar in UIO now

[14:53:18 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> It is quite distracting when the thing opens up

[14:53:36 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I only put it in early days since I was not confident that the content height calculation would always be correct

[14:54:31 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli1> which the vertical scroll bar you refer to?

[14:55:57 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> The one inside the panel, which you see temporarily as the UIO panel opens up

[14:56:03 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> When it opens up fully, the scrollbar disappears

[14:56:46 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Depending on other CSS conditions, it can even cause the content to shift to the left when opening... it does this on the IDI site for example

[14:58:01 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli1> Bosmon: the jira for the "label" rendering - http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4710

[14:58:28 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Thanks, cindyli1 - i'll look at it over the weekend

[14:59:34 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli1> thanks, Bosmon. i see ur point with the vertical scroll bar

[15:00:25 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> As a note, Chrome on windows seems to have a significant problem with the font used for links on the dev site

[15:00:41 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> In experimenting, surprisingly it seems to be a problem with the font only in particular colours

[15:00:57 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> If the green colour component of the font is adjusted below 50 hex, the problem goes away....

[15:01:06 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Just one of the awful perils of cross-browser site design

[15:38:01 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> cindyli, alexn, if you're here, could you come to the collar room?

[16:46:26 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> anastasiac, colinclark: do you think there will be any changes made to the new idi site's content from this point on?

[16:47:04 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> avtar: There certainly will be next week, yes

[16:47:09 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> avtar, yes: I've received the George Brown content but not yet put it up, and I wouldn't put it past partners to give us tweaks

[16:47:28 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Will you do GBC today or on Tuesday?

[16:47:35 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> not today

[16:47:39 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ok

[16:47:39 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> possibly over the weekend

[16:47:41 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> right

[16:47:45 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> I have to leave very soon

[16:47:49 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> makes sense

[16:47:57 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> avtar: Do you think we should perhaps just share a database or something?

[16:48:02 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Or is that insane?

[16:48:15 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess it's easy to migrate regularly over from dev to prod?

[16:48:17 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> we could simply consider the production site to be the place to make content changes

[16:48:24 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> that should be fine for now

[16:48:59 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> sharing a database temporarily might actually make it easier

[16:49:15 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> i'm okay with that, as long as everyone knows it

[16:49:29 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> imagine developing away, thinking you were making some test data for yourself?

[16:49:31 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark>

[16:49:55 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: It sounds like you guys have been pretty disciplined with the dev database at this point anyway

[16:50:21 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> that way i can move the existing drupal database also called 'inclusivedesign_ca' out of the way

[16:50:48 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, I'm the only one touching the dev database, and I'm fullyaware that I'm creating "production" content

[16:50:53 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> so then on tuesday, we'd look at making a separate production database again?

[16:52:53 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> i could do that as soon as we decide that this site is going live

[16:53:24 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ok, great

[16:54:13 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> only thing is if i drop the existing inclusivedesign_ca database while setting up wordpress then the old inclusivedesign.ca web site will be offline for a few minutes

[16:54:40 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> if that's acceptable then we don't have to share the database between the two site

[16:54:40 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> s

[16:58:23 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> yes, that's acceptable

[16:58:27 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> avtar: totally acceptable

[16:58:53 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> so the site is good to go as-is?

[16:59:08 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> or is michelle going to make some changes soon?

[17:01:47 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> it's good to go as-is

[17:03:47 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> ok, one sec

[17:20:32 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> colinclark: i've made the changes http://inclusivedesign.ca

[17:22:12 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> gonna head to the data centre

[17:22:19 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> text or email if anything comes up

[17:27:01 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> avtar: will do

[17:27:48 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> avtar: at the moment, any link i click on takes me to a dev.inclusivedesign.ca URL

[17:28:03 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> which for a soft launch isn't a showstopper

[17:28:14 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> but i guess might cause bookmarking or database issues for us

[17:28:21 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> it's maybe a WP config issue?

[17:31:01 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> interestingly, it's only some links

[17:31:06 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> perhaps some absolute links or something

[17:42:56 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> colinclark: it should be fixed

[17:43:03 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> avtar: thanks!

[17:43:07 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> what was it?

[17:44:04 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> had to perform sql incantations on the wordpress database to change all instances of the site's url to inclusivedesign.ca

[17:45:01 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> aha

[17:45:03 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> cool

[17:45:06 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> thanks

[17:45:18 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I have tried to block out as many of my old SQL incantations as possible

[17:45:33 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> in favour of curl incantations to couch, instead

[17:46:35 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> i think i would prefer the latter as well

[17:46:55 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> gotta catch bert before he leaves 205 richmond

[17:46:56 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> bbiab