fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-05-15

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[09:33:30 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> hi yura, are you there?
[09:33:51 EDT(-0400)] <yura> yes, hi michelled_
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[09:34:20 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> I was wondering if you'd uploaded your second patch for FLUID-2544
[09:34:42 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> I wanted to commit it today before I leave - I won't be around in the afternoon today
[09:35:23 EDT(-0400)] <yura> yes , yes I did
[09:36:08 EDT(-0400)] <yura> and I m not sure about the other one, if Antranig applied it
[09:36:19 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> oh, I see - it had the same name as the previous patch - I didn't notice that.
[09:37:08 EDT(-0400)] <yura> yes (smile) , sorry , I just changed the comment ,that it's updated
[09:37:15 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> np
[09:37:28 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> perhaps you can check in with Antranig?
[09:37:33 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> it is a good fix
[09:38:36 EDT(-0400)] <yura> sure
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[10:02:31 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> Cynickal1
[10:02:50 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> oops
[10:03:19 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> happy friday - i typed in the wrong window
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[10:14:40 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> jamon: you there?
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[10:46:46 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> michelled_: are you available?
[10:47:15 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> not at the moment but soon
[10:47:18 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> I'll ping you
[10:47:20 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> thx
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[10:50:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Are you around?
[10:51:53 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark: sorry I'm back now
[10:52:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> hokay, so
[10:52:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We were chatting by IM about the new Infusion Documentation page.
[10:52:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And I thought we might be better off talking here.
[10:52:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> You sent me this link http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/User+Manual+Table+of+Contents
[10:52:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Looks very comprehensive.
[10:53:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I was wondering if it's a bit dense with the three columns... lots of links in space.
[10:53:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I think your two main categories are good: "Components" and "Framework"
[10:53:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So just an idea...
[10:53:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Maybe organize from there around components and features.
[10:53:51 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Something like
[10:54:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Inline Edit: About | _API | Tutorial
[10:54:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> or Inline Edit: API | Tutorial | More Info
[10:54:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Or something
[10:55:10 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I think i'm confused about how this structure would look API | Tutorial | More Info
[10:55:19 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> is that still in columns or in a list or something else
[10:55:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Hmm
[10:55:28 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Let me try to mock it up.
[10:55:31 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thanks
[10:55:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Can I hack at this page for a sec?
[10:55:40 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> for sure...
[10:55:50 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> This could be a terrible idea. If others have suggestions for how to better organize this page, please chime in.
[11:01:06 EDT(-0400)] <yura> I wonder if Dropdown inline edit is supposed to be in framework->core, since it's in components ?
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[11:02:00 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura: do you mean in the repository?
[11:02:35 EDT(-0400)] <yura> no I ment on the documentation page that you and Colin discuss
[11:04:04 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura: oh that is because I haven't actually finished the page, it was just there as a placeholder
[11:04:09 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thanks for checking though
[11:04:23 EDT(-0400)] <yura> got it
[11:07:50 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Still sketching. Harder than I thought. (wink)
[11:08:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: So I started to sketch what I was originally thinking at the bottom of the page...
[11:08:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> but it's clear that non-components don't fit the model
[11:08:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> and that the result will be a big list. (tongue)
[11:09:07 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> oh... okay... i'll refresh and take a look
[11:09:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm gonna browse a few other sites to see what people do.
[11:10:14 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> that's a good idea...
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[11:10:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So jQuery is probably a good place to start
[11:10:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> http://docs.jquery.com/Main_Page
[11:11:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Two columns, both initially the same
[11:11:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But they've structured things in terms of starting points...
[11:11:15 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura: i've removed the Dropdown inline edit link from the framework section so i don't accidentally leave it there, thanks again for mentioning that
[11:11:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Getting Started, API Reference, About, Support
[11:11:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> That makes a lot of sense to me.
[11:13:09 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay... so it will be a page with links to other pages that have links to the actual content... Does that sound correct?
[11:13:56 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> well maybe that isn't correct...
[11:14:23 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i suppose i could have a heading for tutorials and list all the tutorials... okay... i'll give that a try
[11:14:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: That idea also crossed my mind.
[11:27:15 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Report on the Firefox filesystem security "issue":
[11:27:17 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Not everyone wants to run an HTTP server locally and further burden their client machine with unnecessary processes.
[11:27:18 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> In any case, go into your FF 3.0 config panel (type 'about:config') and set the following property to 'false' by double clicking on it:
[11:27:18 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> security.fileuri.strict_origin_policy
[11:27:29 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> http://jquery-howto.blogspot.com/2008/12/access-to-restricted-uri-denied-code.html
[11:28:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> (smile)
[11:28:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I think many of us have run into this and sussed out the fix for ourselves.
[11:28:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Has anyone put it into the wiki somewhere?
[11:34:15 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> No
[11:34:27 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Every time I have asked about it previously, I have been told noone knows (tongue)
[11:34:47 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> So - I am thinking that this focus doobrie really needs to go into the core framework
[11:35:00 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> We would supply a core utility somewhat like fluid.getLastFocusedElement()
[11:35:26 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok
[11:35:37 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> This means that jquery.delegate.js would also become a core dependency....
[11:35:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But why there and not in keyboard-a11y?
[11:35:57 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> I suppose it could go in there
[11:36:02 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> But is focus really a keyboard issue?
[11:36:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It seems most prominently so, yes.
[11:36:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Not exclusively, but largely so.
[11:36:29 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> hm
[11:36:50 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I suppose this is also the repository of some prominent things we'd rather share with jQuery, too.
[11:36:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But I'm convince-able.
[11:37:24 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Well, if they haven't absorbed the delegate plugin during the 3 years it has been in existence, I guess they would have some good reason....
[11:37:45 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Although the "delegate" part of it is really what has come to be called jQuery.live()
[11:38:12 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Near enough
[11:38:32 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> It would be annoying to go through every file we have and add a new dependency to it...
[11:38:45 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Perhaps it could be a "soft" dependency? If the file is not loaded, then the method would just not work....
[11:38:58 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Perhaps with a fluid.fail() at that point
[11:40:25 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> laurelw: I have some time now
[11:40:43 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> ok
[11:40:45 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> great
[11:41:06 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> um...i'm having some challenges with the build tool because of the way the paths are calculated
[11:41:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Interesting.
[11:41:35 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> basically, two directories are created...one build and one products
[11:41:55 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> the location of the products directory I can control via the command line
[11:42:13 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> but I can't control where the build directory is created
[11:42:24 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> i think i might need to be able to do that for the custom build
[11:42:24 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Weird
[11:42:31 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Weren't we meant to destroy our tabindex plugin?
[11:42:43 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> laurelw: I think you can control the position of the build directory too
[11:42:50 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> hmm.
[11:42:55 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> ok. maybe you can elaborate
[11:43:02 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> -Dbuild=""
[11:43:29 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> did i miss that in the docs?
[11:43:32 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> since it's just a property in the build.xml file you can specify it on the command line and it will be overridden
[11:43:41 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> not all the properties are in the docs
[11:44:06 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> ah...sneeky (wink)
[11:44:31 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> ok..i understand now, I didn't know about that feature in ant
[11:44:47 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> i'm going to experiment with that then!
[11:44:53 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> cool
[11:45:26 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> thanks for your time.
[11:45:27 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> I haven't tried to overwrite the 'build' directory. hopefully there isn't any hardcoding of it the build file.
[11:45:38 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> i'll check it asap and let you know
[11:45:54 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> if so you can just create a JIRA and get Justin_o to help you with fixing it.
[11:48:45 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark: what do you think about this http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/User+Manual+Table+of+Contents
[11:48:56 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I've added the new stuff to the top
[11:52:37 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> michelled_ seems to work fine so far
[11:52:54 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> great
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[12:00:30 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> OK
[12:00:37 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> I have made a thing... which only seems to work on Opera
[12:00:47 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Since, on all Firefox, I cannot get the page links to tab focus at all
[12:00:54 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Despite forcing them to tabindex 1
[12:01:05 EDT(-0400)] <jsilvaa> laurelw: are you still good to meet? I got held up by other stuff
[12:03:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Really?
[12:03:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Bosmon: I'd set them to 0, to start.
[12:03:27 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But still, they should focus.
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[12:16:47 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> RAAH!
[12:16:49 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> I got it working!
[12:19:49 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Hmm
[12:19:54 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> i think this is pretty cool, actually...
[12:25:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> (smile)
[12:25:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Bosmon: What is cool about it, aside from it working?
[12:35:18 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> anyone know how to change perms on a wiki page?
[12:35:34 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> e.g. make it viewable only by logged in users
[12:36:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Just getting a chance to look at your page now.
[12:36:29 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jessm: Good question...
[12:36:38 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> seems clikcing on "Restrictions" in edit mode helps (smile)
[12:37:27 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Cool (smile)
[12:39:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: I think you're getting somewhere!
[12:39:24 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> oh, that works quite nicely (wink)
[12:39:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Some minor tweaks:
[12:39:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Turn "Need Support" and "Want to Help" into questions
[12:39:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i.e. Need Support?
[12:40:28 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Perhaps try to avoid too much nesting. For example, I think you could move Layout Reorderer Selectors Tutorial as a sibling of Layout Reorderer Tutorial rather than a child.
[12:40:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> "Frameworks" should be singular "Framework"
[12:41:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And then I wonder if we should section off the page a bit, for two reasons:
[12:41:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Getting better alignment within columns
[12:41:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Showing the groups.
[12:41:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Just some horizontal rules might do it.
[12:41:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I would fear a more complex table or CSS structure within the wiki.
[12:42:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I think this is really good: it pretty much fits within a screen or so.
[12:42:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And it's nicely organized.
[12:42:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: ^ That was a lot. (wink)
[12:46:51 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Well
[12:46:57 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> I dunno, it "seems" cool (tongue)
[12:48:08 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark: okay... thanks.. I'll start working with that layout then
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[13:03:19 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark: Okay I've cleaned up the layout a bit, any ideas on naming the page... or should we just leave it as is
[13:03:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> How about "Infusion Documentation?"
[13:04:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I think you can probably also get rid of the "On this Page" box.
[13:04:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And the paragraph at the top
[13:06:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: I took a look, just to see what the old User Manual page looked like, and I think you're fine to just directly rename this page to "Infusion Documentation"
[13:06:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> The only thing on it that isn't related to Infusion is the links to the Design Handbook...
[13:07:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> and I think Daphne's got a decent starting point for that here: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Design+Handbook
[13:07:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So I think this is a huge improvement.
[13:07:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> (Your new page, I mean)
[13:14:26 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark: thanks... i'll make those last changes...
[13:21:33 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> colinclark: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/How+to+Create+a+Fluid+Component
[13:21:50 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> I've finished what I can but wanted to talk to you about the last part of the document
[13:23:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Ok, great.
[13:23:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'll need a few minutes; I'm deep in the midst of editing some framework documentation.
[13:23:49 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> no problem..jorge coming to visit me soon, so maybe after he and I are done chatting
[13:24:11 EDT(-0400)] <jsilvaa> I'm on my way
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[13:37:26 EDT(-0400)] <yura> Justin_o: one more question , you checked out the folders explicitly in the changes list when creating a patch?
[13:41:32 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura: i just right clicked (selected team -> create patch), selected the location, and name for the patch and clicked finish
[13:43:52 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura: were you able to create the patch or is it still giving you an error?
[13:45:49 EDT(-0400)] <yura> yes I still do get "error running the svn diff command" and my folders get added to the version control automatically
[13:48:17 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura... i'm not sure... let me see if I can ask elicochran, he was good at making patches, if remember correctly
[13:48:33 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: do you think you might be able to help yura with a problem he is having making a patch in aptana
[13:48:45 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> sure, what's the problem?
[13:48:51 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> hi yura!
[13:48:59 EDT(-0400)] <yura> hi elicochran (smile)
[13:50:12 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: yura is having problems creating a patch that only contains new files and directories...
[13:50:13 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yura: what errors are you seeing creating or applying the patch?
[13:50:33 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> and are the errors on the appying side or the creation side?
[13:50:36 EDT(-0400)] <yura> so the problem I have is : my changes involved a creation of a new folders and files in them, then I went to create a patch, specify the path and the file name, check all new files and folders and when I continue I get "error running the svn diff command" and my folders get automatically added so version control
[13:51:23 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I believe that you have to add the file to version control even though you will not be checking them in... does that make sense?
[13:51:47 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> are you trying to check in binaries?
[13:52:36 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yura: ^
[13:53:10 EDT(-0400)] <yura> no no the binaries , but yes, let me try adding them first
[13:55:48 EDT(-0400)] <sgithens342f> is there a suggested way to submit patches for the wiki.fluidproject.org documentation?
[14:11:03 EDT(-0400)] <yura> elicochran: so I added it first and then tried again but it still didnt work, I created a patch manually though
[14:11:48 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yura: it didn't add the file to the patch automatically? how very odd
[14:12:19 EDT(-0400)] <yura> but when i did everything in command line and then applied that patch in aptana it worked
[14:19:30 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> colinclark: I'm finished chatting with Jorge - are you still busy?
[14:19:39 EDT(-0400)] <yura> Justin_o: could you look at the patch I added for this issue http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-1945
[14:19:50 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> sgithens342f: the idea with sticking the documentation in the wiki was that people could edit it directly
[14:20:44 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura: sure i'll take a look
[14:21:10 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> sgithens342f: if you'd rather you could send your updates/suggestions to the list
[14:21:13 EDT(-0400)] <yura> Justin_o: thanks, that's that I had trouble creating a patch (smile)
[14:22:22 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura: glad you got it working
[14:23:20 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yura: aptana does not always do the right thing with svn
[14:23:27 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> fj4000: wanted to ask you about the location of files saved by the build front end if you are free sometime.
[14:23:35 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yura: 99% of the time I don't have any trouble
[14:23:49 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> but I too have resorted to the command line at times
[14:24:44 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura, i'm guessing that the first rich text inline edit field is using the tiny mce editor... did you intentionally not display the toolbar?
[14:24:52 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> laurelw: sure, phone calls are done (for now (tongue))
[14:25:23 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> so wanted to check with you about the paths that you hope to use for saving the files...can you clarify?
[14:26:08 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> sure
[14:26:49 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> since you said we couldnt just write directories out willy nilly
[14:26:52 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> my thoughts were that the files were going to end up in the php temp directory
[14:26:55 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> like so
[14:27:16 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ach
[14:27:18 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura, the tiny mce editor is a bit broken for me, it doesn't save the changes properly
[14:27:26 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> the others seem good though...
[14:27:29 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> "/tmp/products/uniqueSessionID/zip files"
[14:27:37 EDT(-0400)] <yura> Justin_o: I actually went through the tutorial for that component and I didn't change the options and left everything as is
[14:27:49 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> and /tmp/build/uniqueSessionID/stuff - yes?
[14:27:50 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> laurelw: is this what you mean?
[14:27:50 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> interesting
[14:27:57 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> well,
[14:27:57 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura: ^
[14:28:00 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> yes that is what I mean
[14:28:08 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> i didnt think about the build directory to be honest
[14:28:13 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> it could go there too
[14:28:14 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> so I see just a little hiccup here too
[14:28:24 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> but that was more a call to michelle
[14:28:24 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> the first thing the ant script does is "clean"
[14:28:33 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> since she said thats a good file for debugging
[14:28:43 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> it deletes the two directories
[14:28:44 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yeah: i dont know about the cleaning part
[14:28:57 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> but of course, the two directories will not exist!
[14:29:03 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> right right
[14:29:07 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> which I guess is ok.
[14:29:10 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> im not sure what the strategy is
[14:29:15 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> as long as it doesn't fail on that
[14:29:22 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> thats why the config file exists (tongue)
[14:29:42 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> have you spoken with michelled about this?
[14:30:30 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> no...thought I'd come back to you...i think michelle may be out of the picture until Tuesday now. I did ask her about the build directory but didn't think of this issue until investigating further
[14:30:56 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> we do need to ensure the files are deleted after download
[14:31:03 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> im not knowledgeable about the internals of what ant wants
[14:31:06 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> otherwise we'll blow up server (wink)
[14:31:17 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[14:31:20 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> so about the deletion
[14:31:37 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> i asked michelled about ant not being able to clean this stuff up
[14:31:43 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> and the idea i had was
[14:31:53 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> every day, we could run a cron job
[14:31:55 EDT(-0400)] <yura> Justin_o: so the tiny mce doesn've save?
[14:32:04 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> i had thought of that too.
[14:32:17 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> which deletes the /temp/ folder contents if its older than a day
[14:32:27 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> sounds good
[14:32:40 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> a bit hacky
[14:32:51 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yes, and this doesnt help when it comes to where the build folder exists
[14:32:58 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> unless that goes into temp too
[14:33:12 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> in that if others wanted to use this component they have more hacky-ness too
[14:33:19 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> no
[14:33:26 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> i think we need to change our thinking about that
[14:33:32 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> actually the build folder creation isn't a big issue, I was able to add it to the ant command
[14:33:40 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> right now, the only thing i think ppl can use from this would be our js comonent
[14:33:44 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura: yes... well if you change the text and it hit cancel it remains in the edit field when you reopen it. also if you change the text and save, it says "click here to edit"
[14:33:48 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> the rest would just be documentation
[14:34:13 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> ?
[14:34:24 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> we wouldnt show the php part of this
[14:34:40 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> oh. ok, i'm getting what you are saying now
[14:34:46 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> i got lost there for a moment
[14:34:49 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> we might talk about how we did all this, but not deliver code
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[14:35:03 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> good point
[14:35:28 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura: there is an error on the page, let me try to double check the manual test
[14:35:43 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> ok...well thanks for the clarifications, I'll get back to trying to figure out how to get the whole thing to work
[14:35:47 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> (smile)
[14:35:51 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> always a pleasure
[14:36:31 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> colinclark: still hoping for a very quick chat with you about that doc (which Justin says you plan to review before Tuesday).
[14:36:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yep
[14:36:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Still in the midst of editing framework documentation.
[14:36:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Chatting with you is next on my list
[14:40:33 EDT(-0400)] <yura> Justin_o: i think i got it , the order of the scripts on the page matters, right?
[14:40:40 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes
[14:41:16 EDT(-0400)] <yura> Justin_o: i think that is the problem then , since I have to have fluid and jquiry already before the component
[14:41:47 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> which line are you refering to?
[14:42:16 EDT(-0400)] <yura> Justin_o: in html file lines 11-13
[14:42:24 EDT(-0400)] <yura> should not be first
[14:42:27 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes... that does look like the problem..
[14:42:46 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> line 12 in particular depends on jQuery
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[14:44:09 EDT(-0400)] <yura> Justin_o: so should i resubmit the patch?
[14:44:30 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura: yes you should probably do that
[14:44:35 EDT(-0400)] <yura> ok
[14:45:00 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> also this issue (http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2664) will probably have to be taken care of before we could add this to the repository
[14:46:21 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> the page looks very promising though... i like how you put all of the versions inline edit on the single page...
[14:47:17 EDT(-0400)] <yura> thanks
[14:50:27 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura: one more thing
[14:51:07 EDT(-0400)] <yura> yep
[14:51:35 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> you don't need to put "inlineEditSetup()" inside of a $(document).ready
[14:52:10 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> it will execute when you call demo.initInlineEdit from the script tag in the html file
[14:53:17 EDT(-0400)] <yura> oh ok , would you clarify then when it is used?
[14:54:46 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura: sure
[14:56:31 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura: the $(document).ready function is a jquery function that will execute the passed function when the document is ready (see: http://docs.jquery.com/Events/ready)
[14:57:09 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> so in your example you are manually calling the demo.initInlineEdit from a script tag at the bottom.
[14:57:35 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> so you have taken this readyness into consideration yourself.
[14:58:37 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> so rather than adding in the script tag at the bottom of the page you could have used a $(document).ready function
[14:59:17 EDT(-0400)] <yura> oh ok
[14:59:42 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i'm not sure i was actually clear there... i'm going to try to give you an example with your code
[15:02:07 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura: okay... so you could have instead done something like this
[15:02:18 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> add this inside your closure
[15:02:20 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> $(document).ready(function () {
[15:02:20 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> demo.initInlineEdit();
[15:02:20 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> });
[15:02:32 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> actually let me paste bin this... hold on a second
[15:03:43 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura: http://fluid.pastebin.com/m26a4ca47
[15:05:27 EDT(-0400)] <yura> Justin_o: so this way i dont have to call any function, right?
[15:05:50 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes... you won't have to call anything inside of the html page...
[15:06:20 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> you can do either or, in your example
[15:08:17 EDT(-0400)] <yura> Justin_o: thanks, also where would i put the TinyMCE and FCKEditor instead of svn?
[15:08:53 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura: i just checked in with Bosmon, he was saying it is prefered to call the init script from the markup... .
[15:10:04 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> as to where to put them...that is a good question.. .the preference would be to link to someone elses instance of the code... i.e. on a cdn like jquery is. http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxlibs/
[15:19:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> laurelw: How did you want to chat?
[15:19:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Here?
[15:32:33 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> colinclark: sorry yes I do
[15:33:40 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> here is fine or skype - whatever
[15:33:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> whatever you prefer
[15:34:24 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> i talk faster than i type (which can be good and bad)
[15:35:15 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> let me start here and then move to skype if needed
[15:35:45 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> so I was looking at that doc - finished most of a re-organization and read-through
[15:36:20 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> i'm thinking that the part at the end, comparing flutter without fluid and flutter with fluid is a whole new document
[15:36:33 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> requiring more detail than is in there right now.
[15:37:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> laurelw: Ok
[15:37:04 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> That might make sense.
[15:37:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Let me take a quick read over that section.
[15:37:48 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> i think it would be great to write something that explained what the fluid advantages are, using flutter as the example, and going into more detail than that small section provides
[15:39:14 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> also the document's title is "how to write a fluid component" and so although you might want to include some reasons why you would write the component, it was left all to the end part - doesn't seem to fit all that well with the rest.
[15:39:29 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> that makes sense
[15:39:37 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> makes sense as a criticism, i mean
[15:40:40 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> actually, i think it would be a great addition to the wiki to elaborate on the flutter with/without fluid and link the two documents somehow so that you learn about how to and why you would want to write a fluid component
[15:41:01 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> both being important
[15:43:27 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> that page is huge isn't it
[15:46:15 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> colinclark: are you still reading?
[15:46:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> As best I can, yes.
[15:46:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I think your comments are good, but perhaps there's a way to address the immediate problem.
[15:47:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It sounds to me like we might want to have a paragraph at the top that explains why you'd want to build a component, before we dive in.
[15:47:28 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> That does seem like a good idea
[15:48:37 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Is that something you feel like you could take a stab at?
[15:49:35 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> but I also don't think the end part explains in enough detail the advantages of fluid - It asks the reader to download a lot of code and then doesn't really use the code examples...so I'm wondering if it should be temporarily removed from the larger document and then put back later if we want to
[15:49:55 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> I could, though I'm not sure where I would go to learn that info unless it is on the wiki already!
[15:50:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Hmm. Okay, let me think about that and see if I can find a spot for it.
[15:50:09 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> i'll have to go hunting
[15:50:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> (smile)
[15:50:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Thanks, laurelw
[15:51:11 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> so in the meantime, what do you recommend about the jira task assigned to me to do this document. http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2601
[15:51:35 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> I think it has had a thorough review, but still could do with a bit more alterations.
[15:51:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> laurelw: Finish your work on it today, comment on it with the suggestions you put here (or link to the IRC chat page), and then assign it to me.
[15:52:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm on a roll when it comes to editing, so perhaps later today I'll find a bit of time to tweak it. Otherwise, we'll punt any major structural changes until 1.1 or 1.2.
[15:52:22 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> that works for me...Justin said you were going to tackle it later and that I should get through it asap for you.
[15:52:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> cool
[15:52:29 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> That's grea.t
[15:54:18 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> I'm almost done, so unfortunately won't have time to do much more than comment on the issue. Have a great long weekend.
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[16:25:58 EDT(-0400)] <yura> Justin_o: so I should rather leave the call of initInlineEdit in html file?
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