fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-05-06

fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-05-06

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[10:07:04 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw1> fj4000: want to chat next steps?
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[10:07:23 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> 15 mins?
[10:07:43 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw1> sure...can we phone?
[10:07:56 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw1> i'll email my #
[10:09:07 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[10:14:59 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw1> test test
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[10:46:01 EDT(-0400)] <athena> good morning
[10:46:48 EDT(-0400)] <athena> apparently we've gotten a few reports that if the columns an FSS container add up to more than 100% one column gets dropped below the row in IE7
[10:47:02 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i wasn't sure if that was something you all knew about or would consider to be a bug
[10:48:23 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> fj4000: ^
[10:48:52 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> athena, it sounds like a bug, but fj4000 would be the one to confirm
[10:48:56 EDT(-0400)] <athena> thanks anastasiac
[10:49:05 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i'll do some testing - i haven't verified it yet myself
[10:49:17 EDT(-0400)] <athena> more wanted to double-check first that it wasn't something you'd expect to happen
[10:49:53 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yeah its rounding bug
[10:50:05 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> we need to greatly reduce the space the columns take to cover it
[10:50:27 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> unfortunately, this means they will never fill the full width either
[10:54:13 EDT(-0400)] <athena> gotcha
[10:57:12 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> athena: is there a nightly build of uportal that you know of?
[10:57:23 EDT(-0400)] <athena> not other than yours (smile)
[10:57:38 EDT(-0400)] <athena> and it wouldn't show up there if it does exist in the default skin, i don't think
[10:58:00 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thx - good to know
[10:58:06 EDT(-0400)] <athena> the current interface tries really hard not to let you set the column widths to something other than what adds up to 100%
[10:58:29 EDT(-0400)] <athena> it's really hopefully only an issue for users with old layouts, and it should be fixable by choosing a new column layout
[10:58:51 EDT(-0400)] <athena> but i can probably do some testing next week-ish
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[11:47:49 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> anastasiac, Justin_o, fj4000: I'm starting to put info messages at the top of API and Tutorial pages for components that are in Preview and Sneak Peek. Here's an example: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/UI+Options+and+UI+Enhancer+Tutorial
[11:48:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: I like this in spirit...
[11:48:13 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> then we can remove them and replace them with icons when we settle on what they'd look like
[11:48:29 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> colinclark: better wording suggestions?
[11:48:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I wonder if we can tweak it to be less intrusive.
[11:48:55 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> perhaps it could go in the sidebar?
[11:49:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fj4000: Exactly what I was thinking.
[11:49:04 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> before "On this page" ?
[11:49:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> In a little "Status" bar
[11:49:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> With a link to describe what it means to be "in Preview"
[11:49:51 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> preview itself could be the link
[11:49:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yep
[11:49:57 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> the word , i mean
[11:50:03 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> do we have the descriptions somewhere?
[11:50:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: yeah
[11:50:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> would have to dig it up
[11:50:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Definitely in the Download page
[11:50:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> somewhere
[11:51:40 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> we could add it to this page: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Design+Glossary
[11:52:01 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> do you think that makes sense? it's not really design but it fits better here then in the framework glossary
[11:53:19 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Justin_o, anastasiac ^
[11:53:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Maybe it's worthy of a wiki page unto itself.
[11:53:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Related, for example, to our browser support and other policies about quality.
[11:53:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Which puts this squarely within the King's domain. (wink)
[11:54:33 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark: sure i can add a child page to the browser support page with this info
[11:54:34 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> here's the descriptions: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+Infusion+-+Current+Release
[11:54:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I don't know if it should be a child or a sibling
[11:54:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Maybe we need a page on Quality or something like that
[11:55:15 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> hmm... that's interesting
[11:55:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm not sure of this, so please feel free to blast the idea
[11:55:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I just wonder if there could be a sort of "dashboard" or landing page for understanding all the things we do to ensure the stability and quality of Infusion.
[11:55:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It's a big part of what we offer.
[11:56:03 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes... that would make sense
[11:56:10 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> some way of tying all those things together
[11:56:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> A-grade browser support, solid testing, graded component status, and user testing
[11:56:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Yep, exactly
[11:56:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It's something we can chat with jessm about a little, too
[11:57:04 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay... so i'll start by making this glossary page and then we can talk about how we can reorganize all those pages on the wiki...
[11:57:36 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> glossary page, being the "component status" page or whatever?
[11:58:35 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark: yep... still thinking of a name...
[11:58:58 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark, michelled did you want this page to just have the definitions of the status or also to list which components are in which status
[11:59:36 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: the latter makes sense
[11:59:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> descriptions of the status
[11:59:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> and what the components are up to
[11:59:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> in terms of their status
[11:59:50 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> es
[11:59:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> stati?
[12:00:08 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> sure...
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[12:15:27 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I've updated our "location sensing" page with a few new details, and a new technology, UWB: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Engage+In-Museum+Services
[12:15:27 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> michelled, colinclark: how does this look http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Component+Status
[12:17:03 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> looks good to me
[12:17:50 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, this looks good to me
[12:18:35 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I think it's odd to put Pager above the InlineEdit rich options
[12:18:44 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I would actually swap those round...
[12:19:04 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Pager is due for really substantial API changes in a coming release
[12:19:38 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> WHereas I'm not sure there is very much wrong with the InlineEdit variants, apart from lack of invitation styling
[12:20:15 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> meaning pager is in 'sneak peek' - I'm pretty sure we said it was in preview in the readme
[12:20:23 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Ah
[12:20:34 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> That may not have been good
[12:20:56 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Certainly, going by these definitions of what the different statuses mean
[12:21:20 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I think Preview should mean that API's will change
[12:21:54 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sneak peek says to me that the thing will be unrecognizable in future releases
[12:23:40 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> michelled: ping
[12:23:48 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> michelled: do you think we need to change or clarify the definitions
[12:24:06 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> michelled, Justin_o, colinclark, anastasiac: how about this as a status notification?
[12:24:06 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/UI+Options+and+UI+Enhancer+Tutorial
[12:25:07 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> better - but do we want to put it in a panel, like the rest of the sidebar?
[12:25:16 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> and the link to google will have to change (wink)
[12:25:44 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Progress+Tutorial
[12:25:56 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> fj4000, anastasiac: ^
[12:25:57 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I would have thought that the Pager would be "largely unrecognisable" in a future release, from an API point of view
[12:26:12 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> the link doesn't go anywhere, that's why it is broken
[12:26:12 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Its current options and subcomponent structure is entirely wrong
[12:26:48 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Juston_o, yes, but maybe with the content of the panel being the sentence that fj4000 has in his info box? michelled, what do you think?
[12:26:48 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yes
[12:26:55 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> also, a different colour in the title bar
[12:27:06 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> making it like the rest is nice
[12:27:10 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: definitely the colour needs to change
[12:27:27 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> hi jessm
[12:28:03 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> michelled: colinclark mentioned you had a bit of a list started of things to get done before announcing 1.0
[12:28:21 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yup
[12:28:23 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> 1. test the tutorials for real. (Justin and I are doing that right now)
[12:28:23 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i'd like to work with you on that
[12:28:23 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> 2. mark Preview and Sneak Peek component as such - I'm starting to do this with an info message at the top. we can replace the info message with an icon when we get around to it
[12:28:23 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> 3. get the nightly build building
[12:28:40 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> dark olive green, maybe? from http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Style+Guide
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[12:29:02 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> michelled: can we add to that the website pages need to get moved over and "go live"
[12:29:18 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> michelled: and also we need to do some pointing to our what is infusion doc
[12:29:31 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i guess more generally write the announcement
[12:31:00 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> makes sense jessm
[12:31:58 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> that list was just off the top of my head - it's the list of things that are making me nervous about a big announcement (wink)
[12:33:53 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> jessm: I noted that the text on the website pages may need altering before moving them over?
[12:34:27 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> michelled: i think it's a great list and the start of a plan...
[12:34:29 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> (smile)
[12:34:57 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> yes, laurelw maybe – i'll try to take a look today or more likely tomorrow. I am going to accomplish two things today that i have to get done and haven't yet
[12:35:12 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> anastasiac: I think the status looks nicer in the sidebar. I'm happy to go with what ever you all decide (smile)
[12:35:29 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/UI+Options+and+UI+Enhancer+Tutorial
[12:35:37 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> feel free to change the color
[12:36:12 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> let me know if i can help put website text in place, add links, whatever
[12:36:23 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> laurelw: cool
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[13:00:19 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> colinclark: do you like the status pane that fj4000 did? http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/UI+Options+and+UI+Enhancer+Tutorial
[13:01:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: I do, yes.
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[13:02:26 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Justin_o: laurelw ran through the UI Options tutorial and said that it worked
[13:02:42 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> michelled: thanks
[13:02:48 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i'm running through undo at the moment
[13:03:06 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I'm working through Pager - still
[13:06:46 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yes
[13:06:51 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> michelled:^
[13:07:01 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> oh ssorry
[13:07:05 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> wrong person (tongue)
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[13:46:40 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> does anyone know where people were posting engage issues like "who will use the handhelds" - ie. survey of museum users, etc. that was discussed today in the conference call. I wasn't sure if there was any data yet, but I'd be interested in seeing if there were any links out there yet.
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[13:54:18 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> laurelw: i've been sending those links to teh fluid-work list and they are also posted here: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Engage+Resources
[13:54:41 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> that's what i guessed
[13:55:56 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> one issue that didn't come up was added cost of visit to museum when expected to use you handheld device
[13:56:05 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> your
[13:56:46 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> you mean data costs?
[13:57:03 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> i was thinking that
[13:57:54 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> yes, of course – i think people are thinking about these things – that's why FE is focusing on web, mobile and physical – giving the user the choice of how to access the content
[13:58:06 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> but wasn't sure of the techniques used to connect to the resources and if additional cos required
[13:58:19 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> it's so variable too – depending on country, carrier plan, etc.
[13:58:45 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> such as the example of the cell tour vs the audio device tour
[13:58:50 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> there is no one way – e.g. in Canada iphone users pay for data – in US they pay a flat fee, not per MB
[13:59:03 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> exactly
[13:59:36 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> laurelw, jessm: with the iPhone and other devices there is the option to use wifi, which the museum could provide for free
[13:59:44 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> yes
[14:00:10 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> that is very interesting
[14:02:29 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> thx for the quick chat about that - i was surprised it wasnt one of the questions, bc it seemed linked very closely to the issue of haing the mobile device - step 1, have the device...step2 - be willimg to use it
[14:03:35 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> (pant pant..typing with one hand - non-dominant is killing me)
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[14:14:42 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> colinclark: got time for a quick chat about ant/maven on server?
[14:19:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> laurelw: How about in fifteen minutes? Just grabbing some lunch.
[14:19:55 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> ok but can you phone me
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[16:01:28 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, FYI, I just emailed the list about doing some "gardening" in the sandbox
[16:01:38 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: thank you
[16:26:36 EDT(-0400)] <jsilvaa> hola... just posted a message to fluid-work with some updates and questions about how to share the indoor positioning work we did with fluid
[16:27:44 EDT(-0400)] <jsilvaa> also, I wanted to introduce susahosh... a volunteer who is interested in getting involved with fluid (he has good javascript experience)
[16:27:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Awesome!
[16:28:04 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> susahosh: Nice to meet you, and welcome to the community.
[16:29:26 EDT(-0400)] <jsilvaa> he just finished the android demo and is looking into infusion... may need some guidance for next steps
[16:29:38 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> susahosh: welcome
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[16:59:26 EDT(-0400)] <susahosh> Thank you
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