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[09:56:10 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> justin_o: uploader test 9 - what page is supposed to display when uploading is finished?
[09:56:24 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> it doesn't seem to go anywhere after upload is complete
[09:56:42 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> laurel: hello, which version the server or the demo
[09:56:55 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> server - IE 8 winxp
[09:57:02 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> the demo doesn't go anywhere, because nothing actually gets uploaded, it is all simulated
[09:57:07 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> oh... the server... interesting...
[09:57:08 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> server
[09:57:12 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> what happens
[09:57:42 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> just stays on the upload page with upload grey'd out
[09:57:49 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> add more still available
[09:58:07 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> This is after clicking cancel upload and then resuming 2 times during the upload
[09:58:20 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> hmm.. i'm firing up my IE 8 now... i'll take a look
[09:58:32 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> do the images actually upload... can you see them when you go to browse images
[09:58:54 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> i think so.
[09:59:03 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> there is no time line so hard to be sure
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[09:59:28 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> i need to leave for a few mo's I'll let you know when i am back.
[10:01:42 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> laurel: okay.. thanks
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[10:58:31 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> justin_o: I'm back
[10:59:11 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> laurel: hello
[10:59:58 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> justin_o: so did you check that out? does it work as expected for you?
[11:01:49 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> sorry got a bit side tracked working with Bosmon on a blocker.... double checking now... did you have a file that had an error while uploading, in the queue by any chance?
[11:02:01 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> i think probably yes
[11:02:13 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> does it still give errors if the files are still the same name?
[11:02:51 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> anyway - yes, I did get errors
[11:02:59 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> if a file has been uploaded before it will give an error
[11:03:07 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> and then it won't leave the page
[11:04:23 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> ok...so that was the issue
[11:04:33 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> so not a bug
[11:04:57 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> no, it's a feature
[11:05:38 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> cool..though making it hard to run the tests because almost every image I have on my machine is on there now
[11:05:54 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> do you have permissions to clean it?
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[11:31:49 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> anastasia just gave me a tutorial on cleaning out the uploader image gallery. anyone mind if I go ahead and to that??
[11:32:15 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> it requires the uploader server to be down for a few minutes
[11:32:43 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> justin_o: how can I help with testing - do you want me to take on the Pager testing that's in the high-priority list, or would something else be more helpful?
[11:35:02 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: pager sounds like a good place to start, I'm holding off a bit on the uploader as there is still a Blocker out for that one. Thanks for the help
[11:35:26 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> who's working on the blocker?
[11:35:49 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> Eli
[11:36:41 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> are there any other blockers I can help with, or testing of fixed blockers?
[11:37:17 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: here is the one i mentioned about uploader http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2789
[11:37:39 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> Eli has two patches up, just waiting to talk to him to decide which one we'll use
[11:38:03 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> do you want me to test the patches?
[11:38:08 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> although with time running out we may have to just chose one
[11:38:20 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> yes... actually if you don't mind code reviewing and testing
[11:38:43 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> at this point i'm leaning towards using the one that just handles the problem in opera
[11:39:23 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok, I'll start with that one
[11:39:27 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> justin_o: in looking at the patch for FLUID-2843 I noticed there is a duplicated function in the keyboard-a11y file. it's been there for a while and will probably not do anything strange but I'm uncomfortable with that. Are you ok with me linting the file as part of the bug fix? or should I stick to the actual bug fix.
[11:39:47 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I want to at least remove the duplicated function. it should have no effect.
[11:40:14 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> could it be there for backwards compatibility?
[11:40:31 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> it's actually duplicated. same name and everything.
[11:40:43 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> crockford would have yelled if the file had been linted
[11:41:01 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> yes... i was just going to say that I didn't think it would be possible
[11:41:24 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> hmm... this is a bit of a grey area i suppose
[11:42:11 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> could give me a quick run down of pros/cons and possible issue of making these extra changes or not
[11:42:30 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> how about I don't lint the whole file but just remove the duplicate function. The function itself gets called in the code that is changed in the patch so that it will be exercised when we retest.
[11:43:09 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled: okay...
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[11:46:01 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thx
[11:46:40 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> elicochran: hello
[11:46:53 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I was just typing "O King..."
[11:46:57 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> hello
[11:47:13 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> have you and Colin talked at all about which patch to apply for the Opera bug?
[11:47:34 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> elicochran: just briefly... he mentioned that you had two patches...
[11:48:00 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> We have a fix, the question is to apply it unilaterally (for all browsers) or just for Opera.
[11:48:12 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> at the moment I'm leaning towards the opera only patch, as I'm hoping to make as few changes as possible, but am open to hearing your thoughts
[11:48:15 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> and anyone elses
[11:48:21 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> It's a hack, but a hack with little downside
[11:48:30 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> I believe anastasiac is already starting to look at them
[11:48:41 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> elicochran: ah okay, what is the downside
[11:48:59 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> the downside is more complex code one way or the other
[11:49:20 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> from my testing yesterday, the experience should be the same no matter which browser you're on
[11:49:26 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> no matter which patch
[11:49:40 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> ah so what is the difference between the patches
[11:50:01 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> patch a changes the way we hide the Uploader for all browsers
[11:50:16 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> patch b changes the way we hide the Uploader for just Opera
[11:50:27 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> either way, it appears the same to the user
[11:50:36 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> but the experience to the user is the same
[11:50:37 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> okay..
[11:50:47 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> btw, tested in FF3/Mac, Safari/Mac, IE6, and IE7
[11:50:56 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> thanks
[11:51:02 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> not FF3/Win or IE8 yet, but I can do that this morning
[11:51:12 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran, justin_o
[11:51:14 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> oh, and of course Opera... although just on the Mac
[11:51:17 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> if it can be accomplished for Opera and that resolves the blocker – is there a reason we should not go that route?
[11:51:19 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'm just testing the opera-only patch
[11:51:34 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I applied it, but it doesn't seem to be removing the error
[11:51:41 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ?
[11:52:03 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> My feeling is that it's late in the game and it is probably best to make as few changes as possible, and we can review the larger scale change post release
[11:52:08 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> hmm... that is interesting
[11:52:18 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: i agree
[11:52:26 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> anyone know how I check the flash version in Opera?
[11:52:27 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> the downside of the Opera only fix is that it is slightly more complex because it has an extra line of code to figure out what browser
[11:52:45 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> if ($().browser.opera) {
[11:53:00 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: google "flash version check"
[11:53:11 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: the quick way is the just right click on the "Browse" button in uploader
[11:53:38 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: what platform are you testing on?
[11:53:41 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> if it is in Flash 10 it will tell you, if you are in 9 it will be an html button
[11:53:58 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran: Mac, Opera 9.64, Flash 10
[11:54:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: the local version of the Uploader is broken on Opera... there is no fix for that
[11:54:08 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> this is a server only fix
[11:54:15 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ack!
[11:54:19 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/155/tn_15507.html
[11:54:21 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> the local bug is much deeper
[11:54:25 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> that will also tell you the version
[11:54:26 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> so the only way to test if the patch fixes it is to deploy the server app??
[11:54:33 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> and we'll fix this in documentation
[11:54:34 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yes
[11:54:44 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I can publish my server
[11:54:44 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> pthffft!
[11:54:57 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> the server app itself doesn't change, rigth?
[11:55:00 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> elicochran: oh okay... was wondering about that... i think jacob was speculating that it may be caused by the fact that progressive enhancement starts the flash version as display none
[11:55:15 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> but that is the same in both versions
[11:55:26 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I should be able to point my local html file to the server??
[11:56:00 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> hmm
[11:56:11 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: it just has to be run from a server, so if you have a local server on your machine it should be okay. It doesn't have to be the server version of uploader
[11:56:15 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> so point your local instance at the JAVA file on build?
[11:56:36 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> justin_o: I'm going to commit Bosmo1's patch for 2843. the tests run and I tested the example in question in FF3 and IE7. Do you want me to test more before the commit?
[11:56:42 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> justin_o: deploy my fluid on my local tomcat, right?
[11:56:46 EDT(-0400)] <alisonbenjamin> justin_o: want to alter UI Options QA test plan. Under boundary options, #'s 5 & 6. Shouldn't be "text spacing" but line spacing.
[11:56:48 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> justin_o: I'm not sure that's true
[11:57:43 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled: i think that should be okay
[11:58:12 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> justin_o: where is Jacob? I was going to respond to him but I don't see him?
[11:58:16 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac thinks justin_o must be going crazy with all these people clamouring for his attention!
[11:58:19 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> no fj today?
[11:58:37 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> elicochran, anastasiac: I think that would be correct as we were seeing the error in the demo version from build yesterday
[11:58:40 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran: no fj today
[11:58:43 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> elicochran: no fj4000 is off today
[11:59:21 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: would you like to test off my server?
[11:59:44 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran, thanks - I think I'm good here, but I'll let you know if I'm having trouble
[11:59:51 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> cool
[12:00:13 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled: just wondering if you've committed and updated the daily build site yet?
[12:01:14 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> justin_o: looks like the Uploader on build.fluidproject.org is fubar'd again... I'm kicking it
[12:01:37 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> thanks
[12:02:00 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> justin_o: not yet - I'm about it
[12:02:11 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled: thanks
[12:02:24 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> justin_o, elicochran: the opera-only patch works in opera, when served up
[12:02:33 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'll continue testing, and reviewing the patch itself
[12:02:38 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: thanks
[12:02:39 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: thanks
[12:04:00 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> justin_o: it's committed. is now a good time to restart the build?
[12:04:40 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled: I think so...
[12:04:53 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: one of my concerns is that the $().browser.foo method is deprecated in jQuery, but I couldn't find a good replacement to determine whether the browser was Opera based jQuery.support which is the new way that the jQuery folks want you to do this
[12:05:26 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran: did jQuery.support not work?
[12:06:05 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> just going to grab my lunch... i'll be back shortly
[12:06:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> to use jQuery.support you need to be able to test for a specific feature or bug that only exists in Opera
[12:06:42 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: I'm doing a little more research now
[12:07:29 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ugh
[12:07:37 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok, I'll keep testing
[12:09:56 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> it's rebuilt
[12:13:11 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: there are a dozen ways to test for the existence of IE but I can't figure a single way to do it for Opera that isn't in some way or another browser sniffing
[12:13:19 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> but this might work: if (/Opera/.test (navigator.userAgent))
[12:13:39 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anyway, for now $.browser.opera is probably fine
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[12:17:21 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: found something, haven't tested it yet "window.opera"
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[12:27:38 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled, ( Bosmo1 or Bosmon): It looks like there is another issue related to keyboard a11y
[12:27:47 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> http://build.fluidproject.org/infusion/standalone-demos/keyboard-a11y/html/CheckboxExample.html
[12:27:53 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> can't seem to be able to check those checkboxes
[12:27:59 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> http://www.fluidproject.org/releases/1.0/standalone-demos/keyboard-a11y/html/CheckboxExample.html
[12:28:05 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> the 1.0 demo is working though
[12:28:26 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> any thoughts
[12:28:48 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks justin_o, I'll look at it.
[12:28:55 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> thanks
[12:28:59 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> i'll file a jira for it now
[12:30:39 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran: do we know anything about the Opera bug that is causing FLUID-2789? Is it a known issue? is there any ticket we can refer to? anything like that?
[12:31:30 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled: Bosmo1 has found the problem, he is going to create a patch
[12:31:51 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: it is a known issue in that there is vague reference to it in the SWFUploader forums but nothing beyond that
[12:32:03 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ok, I'll look at the patch once he's posted it
[12:32:11 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I don't know if the problem is in the SWFUploader, in Flash or in Opera
[12:32:11 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled: thanks
[12:32:17 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: ^
[12:32:38 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran: is the reference worth adding a link to, in your comment in the .js file?
[12:32:56 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> can we file it with Opera to create a ticket?
[12:32:58 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: it's already there in the JIRA
[12:33:10 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> so we should reference the JIRA
[12:33:20 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> right!
[12:33:23 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> thanks, sorry
[12:34:24 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> this is related to a more general problem that Flash files get wiggy when you dick with any of their parents ... the SWFUploader guys worked around that problem for IE but introduced this problem in Opera when they did
[12:39:28 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran: I tried out "window.opera" and it seems to work
[12:39:51 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: thanks. I just finished testing it too. I think that's a better test
[12:39:57 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> if (window.opera) {
[12:40:02 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I agree
[12:40:23 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> so elicochran and justin_o: I've tested the patch for FLUID-2789, and reviewed both versions of the patch
[12:40:28 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> it's really a very simple change
[12:40:32 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'm just testing other browsers now to make sure that it doesn't throw an error
[12:41:04 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'm also leaning toward the opera-only version, mostly because we're so close to release, and we don't want to risk introducing new behaviour where we don't have to
[12:41:31 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> but I do think that after release, we may want to revisit it, and consider getting rid of the opera-specific nature it
[12:41:54 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> +1
[12:42:00 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: thanks for the testing that.. I agree with your above comments... when you are ready please commit
[12:42:14 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> the actual fix is the same in the opera-only version and in the do-it-for-all version, the opera-only version just puts it in an "if opera" clause
[12:42:20 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: just to round-up – how are we on those blockers?
[12:42:30 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> justin_o: small issue: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2786 - I've added ie7 to the bug (before it was just ie6)
[12:42:37 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok, I'll add comments referring to the JIRA, and commit.
[12:43:11 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> laurel: thanks... please feel free to update jiras as needed
[12:43:12 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: I've tested the (window.opera) test on all browsers and none of them throw an error so would you make that change before you commit
[12:43:26 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> will do, elicochran
[12:43:32 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: thanks!
[12:44:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: would you like me to add a comment about the improved browser check
[12:44:24 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> do you mean to the JIRA?
[12:44:29 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: yes
[12:44:36 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> that's a good idea
[12:44:58 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: we're looking good... after this Uploader one is committed, we will have the last one I found for keyboard a11y plugin, and the inline edit unit test in IE8. I think we are going to have to live with the unit test failing in IE 8 for now as it seems like it will take some investigation and the component is actually working. The other keyboard a11y issue, Bosmo1 is already creating a patch for
[12:45:29 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> fantastic!
[12:47:58 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran, justin_o: I've committed the patch for FLUID-2789 - do you want me to redeploy on Continuum?
[12:48:10 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: yes please
[12:48:11 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> thanks
[12:50:23 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok,deployments back up
[12:50:33 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I just tested the build site version in Opera, and it's working
[12:50:41 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Let the Uploader testing re-start!!!
[12:50:47 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> laurel: ^
[12:51:20 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> count me in too
[12:51:26 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> any uploader tests i can take?
[12:51:53 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'll get back to the Pager tests on mac
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[12:54:00 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> jessm: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Release+Testing+Tasks
[12:54:03 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> justin_o: I'm about to commit Bosmo1's patch for the keyboard a11y checkbox example. is that ok?
[12:54:59 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled: yes thankis
[12:56:00 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: I'm can set up a task list for you... what browsers/flash version would you like to test on
[12:56:21 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i have ff3.0.11
[12:56:36 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> and safari 3.2.3
[12:56:45 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> justin_o: I committed, should I rebuild again?
[12:56:56 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled: yes please... thank you
[12:57:00 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> np
[12:57:07 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: do you know if you have flash 9 or flash 10
[12:57:40 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> w/ flash10,0.12,36
[12:58:12 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i'm on a mac
[12:59:42 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> done the rebuild
[12:59:45 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: thanks
[13:01:40 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: okay set up a task list for you here http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Release+Testing+Tasks
[13:02:50 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> wick'd
[13:06:00 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> justin_o: Infusion contains a couple dozen jquery.browser tests in components... I'll write up a blanket JIRA that we should rewrite these some time in the Future
[13:10:06 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> laurel: do you know, on uploader testing do i test both the server and demo links?
[13:10:09 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> elicochran: thanks that's a really good idea
[13:11:02 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: would you like me to resolve FLUID-2789?
[13:11:16 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ah, eli - yes, thanks. I forgot about that
[13:11:22 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: yes you would need to test both links.... thanks again for the help
[13:11:23 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> np
[13:11:31 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> roger that
[13:13:35 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> hrm, on ff3 uploader server i try to upload 3 files and it shows only 2
[13:13:59 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> jessm: yes
[13:14:12 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> file exceeds size limit?
[13:14:14 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> jessm: sorry so slow to answer.
[13:16:37 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> "The 'Browse Files' button should be replaced by an 'Add More' button" – Test 4 not happening on ff3
[13:17:06 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> jessm: I also noted that - see http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2022
[13:17:30 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> laurel: cool – so i don't have to file
[13:17:34 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i'll look from now on
[13:18:05 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> and I think you are probably right about the file limit issue, but you should double check
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[13:20:37 EDT(-0400)] <mackrauss> Good Afternoon everyone
[13:20:55 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> hi!
[13:21:17 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> justin_o: test 8 of uploader tests...should that be changed since now we seem to go to this new "image gallery" page?
[13:21:37 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> server version
[13:23:18 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> laurel: yes... it should mention that the server version should take you to another page. There are probably more instances like that throughout, would you mind updating it as you come across them?
[13:23:32 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> I can do that!
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[13:26:15 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm and justin_o: that button change wont happen with the Flash 10 version. still should be left in the Test Plan though, cause we should fix that
[13:26:47 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> laurel: thanks a lot
[13:27:34 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran: FLUID 2240...
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[13:28:23 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran: i stopped in the middle of a file and it didn't finish the file – i should say it didn't finish what looked like the first file it was uploading – it did finish one of the files in the list though – is that the intended behaviour?
[13:28:44 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: server or demo version?
[13:28:51 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran: server
[13:29:12 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> server version should always complete the file that you're currently uploading
[13:29:20 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> so, the behaviour is funny...
[13:29:39 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> however, it can appear a bit funny with small files since they upload very quickly
[13:29:50 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i have 4 files in the uploader, it starts on the first one, i click stop, it stops the first second and fourth, but starts and finishes the third
[13:30:02 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> now, that is odd
[13:30:08 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'll take a look at that
[13:30:14 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> browser and platform?
[13:30:21 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> and Flash version
[13:30:22 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ?
[13:30:26 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: ^
[13:30:36 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ff3, flash 10, mac
[13:30:43 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> great, thanks
[13:30:46 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> that's easy for me to test
[13:31:00 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> are they small or large files... just generally?
[13:31:28 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ~300k - 2MB
[13:31:37 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> now it isn't doing it
[13:31:39 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> weird
[13:32:27 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> elicochran: is there any indication on the server of a file not uploading - upload error? now that this new info page is there? I'm trying to edit the test to reflect what is supposed to happen
[13:32:27 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: not something that I've seen before... in fact, having a hard time imagining how it could happen
[13:32:37 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran: it isn't anymore
[13:32:38 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> weird
[13:32:42 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> it happened 3 times
[13:33:32 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> laurel: if there are any upload errors they will be displayed in the file queue and the Uploader will not proceed to the next page
[13:33:42 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: I'll play around with it
[13:33:54 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> ok...i'll try to reflect that in the results.
[13:33:54 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: same files every time?
[13:34:01 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> on a more personal note, these files get deleted, right?
[13:34:06 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran: yes, same 4 files
[13:34:15 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: only if we restart the server
[13:34:32 EDT(-0400)] <mackrauss_> Oh I would love my files from yesterday to be deleted
[13:34:51 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> mackrauss: we restarted the server this morning
[13:35:13 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> laurel: the errors that get returned are ridiculously generic which is why it is doubtful you'll see anything except a "unknown error"
[13:36:15 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran: i think i must be doing something wrong
[13:36:23 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> now the server version wont upload those files
[13:36:26 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> lemme start over
[13:36:48 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: if a file is already uploaded to the server, it will not accept that file again
[13:37:00 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> and will display an error
[13:37:09 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> oh, well there's my issue...
[13:37:31 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> this is a "feature" (of this server implementation but not of the Uploader)
[13:37:48 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> the server could be WAY smarter
[13:38:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> but the server implementation is only a demo
[13:39:27 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran: ok, stop upload isn't behaving right on the server
[13:39:39 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ff3, flash 10, mac
[13:40:58 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> maybe it's just the file was too small?
[13:42:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: I'm running it through its paces now... large files were predictable ... although if you click twice it is a little confusing... I could definitely make that better
[13:42:17 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> jessm: i find I need a pretty long list of files to actually get stop to work
[13:42:29 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> small files are just too fast
[13:42:38 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> k
[13:43:18 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: cool, I just crashed FF3 by clicking the browse button before the Uploader proceeded to the next screen ... that's a new and cool bug!
[13:44:01 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> justin_o: I tried to re-write test 6 for uploader. probably needs some work at another time, just to let you know
[13:44:13 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> justin_o: what can I test? shall I grab one of the 'high priority' tasks or something from your list?
[13:45:08 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled: are you able to do any of the uploader tests from thigh priority list
[13:45:58 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> laurel: thanks for the update
[13:46:09 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> does it matter what version of flash I have?
[13:46:34 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran: it's more predictable now
[13:46:34 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> yes
[13:46:48 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran: now that i know about the small files and the duplicate files
[13:46:58 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> the list looks different from yesterday - I don't see the flash versions. nor the things that have been checked off
[13:47:10 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled: try refreshing the page
[13:47:24 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I'll try to refresh it again
[13:47:25 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> it sometimes displays an old version of the page
[13:47:28 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: great... we're going to add better feedback for upload stop as the JIRA says
[13:47:46 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: but you've given me some good ideas
[13:47:55 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran: cool!
[13:49:09 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled: are you able to see the page propperly now or is it still being displayed incorrectly?
[13:49:27 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I can see it now. I'm check my flash version on FF2
[13:49:27 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> justin_o: I'm also still confused about Test 9 - what is the "start page"
[13:50:29 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> is that the "uploader page"
[13:50:36 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> laurel: yes... actually i suppose Test 8 didn't need to be changed, actually test 9 did
[13:51:07 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> it was refering to the browse images page, now there is an intermediate page that shows you only the images that you just uploaded
[13:51:36 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> ok..i can fix that too, but the "browse images" page is not the start page anywhere in these tests
[13:54:04 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> laurel: i guess that has changed too... the initial page on login was the browse files page
[13:54:19 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> makes sense
[13:54:37 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> i'll just keep editting carefully
[13:55:27 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran: on client the tab key gets "stuck" on browse files – should that happen? e.g. I can't tab around and get back to the top of the page
[13:55:48 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> oh, on server too i guess
[13:56:08 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: known bug in FF, perhaps the only bug keeping us from leaving Preview status on Uploader
[13:56:21 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> right - o
[13:56:27 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: Flash – FF bug
[13:56:30 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> not ours
[13:56:33 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> well, thank goodness i'm finding all the known bugs
[13:56:51 EDT(-0400)] <mackrauss_> justin_o I have to ask (again) what "Check Shipped Examples" means. Going over the build.fluidproject.org site. Are there things to pay extra attention and things that are unimportant?
[13:56:51 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: means you're doing it right!
[13:56:58 EDT(-0400)] <jessm>
[13:57:32 EDT(-0400)] * jessm is the slowest tester ever!
[13:59:30 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> mackrauss_: yes... going over the build.fluidproject.org sight you are just really checking for obvious problems, error messages thrown, and stuff like that... you can probably pay less attention to pages that you've already tested in our tasks. and the unit tests and manual tests don't need to be looked at
[14:00:09 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> sorry... take that back... the manual tests you should do, just not the escalated ones
[14:01:22 EDT(-0400)] <mackrauss_> justin_o could you talk in Headings. I see "Quick-Start Examples" for example
[14:01:46 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> jessm: I think I could challenge you on that
[14:02:12 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> yes... pretty much everything.. the special cases happen under the Infrastructure heading
[14:02:12 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran: so, part of that tablessness is not beign able to tab to upload..., right?
[14:02:13 EDT(-0400)] <mackrauss_> and Fluid Integration Examples, Infrastructure, and Specific Component Examples
[14:02:33 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: in FF, yes
[14:02:48 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> mackrauss_: did you see my comment a couple lines up...
[14:04:02 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> so under the infrastructure heading, you should see three links, "Continuum Build Server" (nothing to do there), "Unit tests" these are all part of another task so don't worry about them, "Manual Tests" go to this page, and you'll see two columns, don't worry about the Escalated column
[14:04:54 EDT(-0400)] <mackrauss_> justin_o Now I got it. That is all?
[14:04:59 EDT(-0400)] <mackrauss_> Thanks
[14:05:38 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> yes... so everything on the build.fluidproject.org website, except for those special cases under the Infrastructure heading...
[14:05:50 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> and you can pay less attention to those ones that you've already exhaustively tested
[14:07:08 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> justin_o: if I observe a "known issue" but on a platform not listed in the JIRA, should I adjust the JIRA to add the platform I'm testing?
[14:07:16 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2052 is the issue
[14:07:22 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'm seeing it in FF2 on Mac
[14:08:42 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'm not testing FF3 officially, but I'm seeing it there too
[14:08:52 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> justin_o: keyboard support in Opera for the uploader - is it different than other browsers (tabbing?)
[14:09:21 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: yes please do, surprised that one is on FF2 though... i think there was another issue where you couldn't get to the flash movie at all
[14:09:40 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> k
[14:10:05 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> laurel: likely, Opera uses CTRL-(arrow key) to navigate to links
[14:10:09 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> instead of tab
[14:10:57 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> ok...we might note that in the tests at the start of each keyboard section
[14:11:53 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> laurel: you're probably right... we should set up a page with some of those platform specific behaviours and do an include on all those pages
[14:13:26 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran: is this also known, when adding multi files one is already orange-ish and then when you focus on one file it turns orange-ish too, so when you are scolling through you can have more than one orange-ish even though only one if focused on?
[14:14:10 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> how embarrassing – nevermind
[14:14:30 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: minded not
[14:14:41 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> my mouse was "resting" in the general area
[14:18:41 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> mice get tired
[14:20:21 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> justin_o: I have a lunch meeting... I'll be back in an hour and a half or so
[14:22:12 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> elicochran: sure... thanks
[14:30:51 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> jessm: ping
[14:30:59 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> pong
[14:31:05 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> skype?
[14:38:59 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> Anyone mind pausing for a moment to reset the server and clear out the images for the uploader?
[14:39:15 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> jessm: justin_o:
[14:39:29 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> laurel: yep
[14:39:47 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> go for it... too many pictures there
[14:40:02 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ya and I'm running out of pics on my machine
[14:40:47 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> also I'm beginning to crave sushi and strawberry rhubarb pie
[14:40:53 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> bring it on
[14:41:46 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> mmm... sushi...
[14:50:29 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> justin_o: Boundary tests for uploader server - Test 2
[14:50:40 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> it won't accept a just under 20M file
[14:51:29 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> really.... so you tried to upload say a 19mb file and it won't upload?
[14:51:49 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> 19710 K
[14:52:20 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> server or demo, or both
[14:52:23 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> server
[14:52:33 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> didn't check demo
[14:55:47 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> Interesting... that seems like a bug... the debug panel for the server version says the Size Limit is 2097152 Bytes
[14:55:55 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> laurel: ^
[14:56:01 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> hmm
[14:56:16 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> try again
[14:56:18 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> i will
[14:56:22 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> did we reboot and lose all the pics?
[14:57:11 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> hmm.. my math maybe wrong there... that may only be 2mb
[14:57:39 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> I wonder if it got changed somewhere along the line
[14:57:46 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> i think you are right. which means the test is wrong
[14:57:59 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> I tried a 4 M file and it doesn't upload either
[14:58:16 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> It was set to 20 mb before and probably still should be... 2 mb is probably too small
[14:58:37 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> so my 1.4M file uploaded
[14:58:50 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> so I think you've got it right
[14:59:11 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> i wonder if there was a type-o somewhere
[14:59:48 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> maybe - but I recall it being 20 M on the tests before, so the typo is unlikely to be there
[14:59:50 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> the demo version seems to accept the 20 Mb file
[14:59:56 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> interesting
[15:00:14 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> question: none of the tests asks for the standard single file uploader to be tested, but just curious about it saying "save"
[15:00:15 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> laurel: sorry meant there was a typo in the code for the server version of the uploader, when initializing it
[15:01:06 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: sorry... do you mean what does save mean in the single file uploader, or on the test plan
[15:01:18 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> why does it say save?
[15:01:28 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> and is there anything i need to test with that one?
[15:01:51 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: not sure... i guess that was a design decision... it could probably still say upload.
[15:03:04 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: there aren't any specific tests for it, because it was only in the demo version before (not the server) and could really see if it did anything there.. I should probably update it now that that the user can manually switch to it... you could just try uploading a single file to the server
[15:05:27 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: interesting, it's kind of hard to tell because of all the images, but i don't think the single file uploader is hooked up properly to add the image to the "Browse Images" page
[15:07:32 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> justin_o: question about the Uploader boundary tests, and uploading a 0kb file
[15:07:40 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> yes
[15:07:45 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> the protocol says "select a file that is approximately 0KB (e.g. blank text file)"
[15:07:54 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> yes
[15:08:06 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I created an empty text file, and the server version of the Uploader refused to add it to the queue because it was -kb
[15:08:14 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> is that a bug?
[15:08:21 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> 0kb, sorry
[15:08:56 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: yes, but it is already filed
[15:09:05 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ah, shoot, sorry
[15:09:17 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: no problem
[15:09:35 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> justin_o: I've gotten through all the opera tests for the server except the tests to fail
[15:09:44 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> I didn't get the demo tests started
[15:10:06 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> I have to go now - so if anyone wants to finish it, go ahead
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[15:10:11 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> laurel: thanks
[15:16:13 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: right, single file uploader on server does not push uploaded or "saved" image to the image gallery
[15:16:53 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> guess they forgot to hook it up, would you like to file that bug or should I
[15:17:47 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: i hate to admit, i might file the bug wrong – so could you this time and i will go look at what you do and will create a bug next time
[15:18:42 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: sure no problem
[15:24:07 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2850
[15:24:25 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> there is the issue I've filed feel free to review and edit it as needed
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[15:35:05 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> thanks
[15:35:07 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> looks awesome
[15:38:12 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> anyone remember the CLI for creating an empty file?
[15:38:18 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> 0k?
[15:38:24 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> 0 K?
[15:39:09 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> touch
[15:39:44 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ah, right
[15:43:29 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> and to add a file to a file?
[15:43:36 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> cat file1 file2?
[15:44:57 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i don't know how to find a 20MB picture file
[15:45:02 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> and i'm not sure how to create one
[15:45:59 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: you can use any other file and just rename the extension to jpg or something
[15:46:17 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ah, i tried that.. let me try again
[15:51:15 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> 53MB file does not get into queue
[15:51:26 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ah right, as advertised
[15:52:22 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> yep... thats a good thing... oh also can't remember if you were in on this conversation earlier, but the server version only does 2 MB as a max right now
[15:52:30 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> the demo still does 20 mb though
[15:52:37 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> k
[15:52:42 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i don't have a 20MB
[15:52:57 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> justin_o: I'm back... did I miss anything important... I see a bunch of Uploader comments
[15:57:31 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> just got a msg. on the server that a 15.2 MB file exceeds the limit
[15:57:48 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ah, just re-reading justin_o message above about 2MB
[15:57:51 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> roger that
[15:59:27 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> elicochran: I filed a jira about the max file size being only 2 MB on the server now, the demo is still at 20 MB. Was this changed intentionally?
[16:00:23 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> that may have been a mistake on my part ... changed in code to test file upload errors since it's hard to find a 20MB file
[16:00:30 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> let me look at the code
[16:00:57 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> elicochran: okay...
[16:01:30 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yep, I did make that change by mistake in the Image Gallery... the Uploader hasn't changed at all
[16:01:43 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> it probably got checked in by accident
[16:01:55 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> elicochran: okay... thanks for checking... we can switch that back after the release or decide on a new max size
[16:02:11 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> again: the change is in the Image Gallery and not in the Uploader
[16:02:29 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> actually we can change the Image Gallery at anytime since it is not part of the release
[16:02:36 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> elicochran: yep... that's just part of the configuration right...
[16:02:41 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> exactly
[16:02:43 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> ah right... well no rush
[16:03:00 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> it might be useful to leave it in the Image Gallery as it makes is easier to test
[16:03:46 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> elicochran: that is true... i wonder if we want to test performance on a large upload though... i'm not set either way
[16:04:31 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> justin_o: I probably should revert it at some point... but not today
[16:04:49 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> elicochran: sure... thanks...
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[16:09:17 EDT(-0400)] <jessm_> justin_o: can't test deleting the file with a limit of 2MB – they upload too fast
[16:10:20 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm_: okay... thanks for trying... my connection here seems to be going a bit slower so I am able to. So i think it will be okay...
[16:10:34 EDT(-0400)] <jessm_> k
[16:11:09 EDT(-0400)] <jessm_> justin_o: how we doing on testing?
[16:11:27 EDT(-0400)] <jessm_> if we slip it isn't a big deal – we've introduced a number of slow-downs this release...
[16:12:35 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> I'm just looking at the high priority list... it looks like we've got one task for pager and UI options left, and the a bunch of Uploader ones, mostly flash 9 though
[16:13:02 EDT(-0400)] <jessm_> how do you want to handle it?
[16:14:53 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> I think we have fairly good coverage for the most part, I'd like to get to some of those flash 9 ones though. I don't think we are going to hit any more blockers there though (cross my fingers). So if they are still there are monday, we could probably start the release and I'll finish up testing those. What do you think about that'
[16:15:29 EDT(-0400)] <jessm_> yeah, i don't want you out there on your own
[16:15:44 EDT(-0400)] <jessm_> anyway i can downgrade to flash 9 or is there someone else who can shoulder some of the burden?
[16:17:32 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> justin_o: it'll be testing my own code but I'll take the Flash 9 Win XP tests (um, all except IE8 which I don't have on that machine)
[16:17:39 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I follow instructions well
[16:17:55 EDT(-0400)] <jessm_> elicochran: the instructions are awesome
[16:17:57 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> elicochran: thanks
[16:18:01 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm_: thanks
[16:18:25 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> elicochran: i can cover the IE 8 ones
[16:21:13 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> elicochran: I tested IE7 Flash 9
[16:22:00 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: thanks
[16:23:45 EDT(-0400)] <jessm_> safari 3.x still isn't going to do the a11y pieces, right?
[16:24:19 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm_: nope..
[16:24:27 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> Safari 4 should whenever that comes out of beta
[16:31:29 EDT(-0400)] * jessm_ can't get into breeze for standup
[16:32:24 EDT(-0400)] <jessm_> i lied again
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[16:45:42 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> justin_o: testing Uploader in Opera... I'm looking for a JIRA saying that keyboard access is virtually non-existant, but I don't see it - is this not a known issue?
[16:48:11 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> did you try ctrl-arrow
[16:48:22 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> opera uses that instead of tabs to navigate links
[16:48:47 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> it does nothing!
[16:50:31 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> oh you mean you can't open the browse files button?
[16:51:00 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I can't move focus to anything
[16:51:11 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> tab gets to two things, but nothing useful
[16:51:24 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> the ctrl-arrow doesn't seem to move focus at all
[16:51:44 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> is this new?
[16:52:49 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> sorry... forgot you were using a mac
[16:52:54 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> try command-arrow
[16:53:09 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: ^
[16:53:51 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> every so vaguely differently non-functional
[16:54:10 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> with cmd+arrow, I can move focus to something different, but still useless
[16:54:14 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Is there a JIRA for this?
[16:54:21 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I don't see one
[16:54:30 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> no i don't think so... sounds new to me
[16:54:38 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok, I'll file it
[16:55:04 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: thanks
[16:55:21 EDT(-0400)] <jessm_> i just downloaded opera to see
[16:55:34 EDT(-0400)] <jessm_> i can cmd + arrow to the link to switch to simple uploader
[16:56:00 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> yes, that - but that's it
[16:56:13 EDT(-0400)] <jessm_> yes
[16:56:27 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm_, anastasiac : I just checked mine, I have flash 10 going , i can tab to the browse files button, and cmd-arrow to the switch link
[16:56:55 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ah, ok - various combinations of Tab or Cmd arrow...
[16:56:57 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> although there is a jira for not being able to activate the flash movie via keyboard in Opera, which is what i'm seeing now
[16:57:01 EDT(-0400)] <jessm_> yes, me too
[16:57:05 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok, maybe not JIRA-worthy...
[16:57:20 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> it was weird, because if there's nothing in the queue, it still moves focus to thequeue
[16:57:44 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> which was disorienting
[16:58:21 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> yes.. that is true... I wonder if a screen reader would need to be able to put focus on it to know that it is empty, or maybe that information wouldn't actually be usefull
[16:58:24 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> not sure... just wondering
[16:59:42 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> justin_o, I'm sorry - I have to take off now - I'll finish up the Opera-on-Mac Uploader test Monday morning - is that ok?
[16:59:58 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: yep... thanks for the help
[17:00:02 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> np
[17:00:29 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> have a great weekend, everyone!
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[17:00:36 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> anastasiac: you too
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[17:20:39 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: i've got my two tests complete – safari without a11y and both without the deleting the file while it's uploading (the combo of file size limit and my network speed and my coordination are not coming together on that one)
[17:21:24 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: pop some other tests into my column if you need and i'll try to tackle them this weekend...
[17:22:12 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> have a good weekend all
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