fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-06-19

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[13:02:44 EDT(-0400)] <alisonbenjamin> colinclark: hey
[13:04:06 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> alisonbenjamin: Hey, just heading out the door in a sec.
[13:04:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> What's up?
[13:04:45 EDT(-0400)] <alisonbenjamin> remove a row in bspace. how do you let a blind user know this has happened? alerts are pretty inaccessible, i hear.
[13:04:54 EDT(-0400)] <alisonbenjamin> colinclark: not urgent.
[13:05:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> good question
[13:05:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i will respond later
[13:05:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
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[15:11:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> laurel: quick question for you
[15:11:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> what value do you use for mvn-settings-file in the ant build, typically?
[15:11:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> and is it something that you only set on the server?
[15:12:05 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> Hi colin
[15:12:36 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> on the server I put a mvn settings file where it would be expected - in ~.m2
[15:12:55 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> we had to put it there (it doesn't get put there with a default installation or anything)
[15:13:07 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> then jamon changed the permissions on it
[15:13:18 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> just trying to recall - will check
[15:14:51 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> hmm...maybe he didn't change the permissions - at least not to the one on the server in the fluid user
[15:15:32 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> so on the server I set it to --settings "~/.m2/settings.xml"
[15:16:08 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> then Justin and I talked about whether it made sense to have this setting in a Windows environment
[15:16:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok
[15:16:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm slightly confused why we have to set it... The maven documentation says it looks in that place for it.
[15:16:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> http://maven.apache.org/settings.html
[15:16:34 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> I haven't thought of a use case really, but I didn't want to neglect it just in case
[15:16:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> "There are two locations where a settings.xml file may live:
[15:16:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> * The Maven install: $M2_HOME/conf/settings.xml
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[15:16:55 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> I'm confused too, but it worked when I put it in and doesn't work when I dont
[15:17:09 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> which was a pretty good test for why it was needed
[15:17:29 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> I assumed it had something to do with the fact that the web server runs as nobody
[15:18:04 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> which may or may not be a good assumption
[15:20:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> but you only ever need to do this on the server, right?
[15:20:29 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> now, I only tried ...hey...stop anticipating my typing
[15:20:36 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> i only tried on the server every
[15:20:38 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> ever
[15:20:40 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> grin
[15:20:55 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> so this isn't really a good test
[15:21:02 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> where else can we try?
[15:21:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> In part, I wonder if we really need to try elsewhere.
[15:22:14 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> and I would really like your thoughts on whether I should even bother with putting it on the windows option
[15:23:26 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> can you clarify - that last sentence looks like it could be interpreted both ways
[15:23:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> honestly, i don't see any point in looking at adding generality for something that we need only in one context
[15:23:51 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> and worse yet, that we don't really understand
[15:24:11 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> i agree, except for the fact that we are publishing the code for download
[15:24:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> well, we're not publishing this as a product
[15:25:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> the Builder is not generally something people want as a code base to use and extend...
[15:25:07 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> ok...but the build.xml - is that a file that is distributed?
[15:25:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> it's just something they want to work
[15:25:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> sure, but my point is this particular feature
[15:25:26 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> i wouldn't want to "hard code" this in
[15:25:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> it's very specific to a context
[15:25:36 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> yep
[15:25:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> honestly, i'd feel better if we understood what was up with our server and maven
[15:25:47 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> so what do you suggest as an alternative
[15:25:53 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> i agree.
[15:25:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> since the documentation seems pretty clear that this should work
[15:26:12 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> and it does work at the command line
[15:26:37 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> just not from within the web browser - so I'm pretty sure it is due to "user" issues
[15:27:09 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> sounds like an environment issue... you're saying that the nobody account does indeed have a home directory, with an .m2 repo in it
[15:27:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> but that it can't find it
[15:27:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> is that right?
[15:27:25 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> seems like it
[15:27:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So I think we just want to get to the bottom of why that is.
[15:27:58 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> but jamon may be able to phrase it better because he tried to explain it to me and I've lost the terminology since his last attempt
[15:28:26 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> we actually discussed it in the irc a bit, so let me look for the history
[15:31:20 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> ok - look here http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/fluid-work+IRC+Logs-2009-05-19
[15:31:28 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> at 14:13
[15:31:42 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> that's part of the discussion
[15:33:10 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> and then I played with the permissions as suggested, but that didn't help
[15:34:44 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> in the end I believe that jamon said it was using the settings in the fluid user, not the settings in the nobody user
[15:35:07 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> laurel: sorry, i have to borrow Colin's brain for a bit
[15:35:25 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> ok...i guess without the brain, I'll have to get back to colin later
[15:36:12 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> btw though colin, this is helpful. nice to bash this out with someone again...sometimes you get too focused on the wrong thing.
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