fluid-work IRC Logs-2010-07-23

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[09:06:18 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Morning, jhung
[09:06:29 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm just catching up on yesterday's blocker
[09:06:33 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Nice email thread on the list
[09:07:57 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> colinclark: Yep. It's good to see.
[09:08:09 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> So something occurred to me while reading it
[09:08:18 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Do we have a good collection of sample images that show this problem?
[09:08:40 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Yes. I'm just about to send it out to list. Images are large though - 2+MB a piece.
[09:08:41 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> The only sample I had seen early on yesterday was just a photograph--in other words, something that didn't resemble a snapshot of a book
[09:08:50 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Do we have good, fairly flat test images that get inverted?
[09:09:03 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I can't remember--are our mock images susceptible to this problem?
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[09:09:16 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> No.
[09:09:24 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> jhung: Sounds like it might be good to put the images on the JIRA ticket
[09:09:38 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Rather than sending them as an attachment. Then we have an easy-to-follow record of the issue
[09:10:01 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Colinclark: You're right that it doesn't appear to affect text images much. Which is why I asked Michael under what conditions the problem occurs.
[09:10:10 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Okay, that makes sense
[09:10:48 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> So, if you get those images up on JIRA I'll take a look and see if there are other constraints we should experiment with
[09:11:06 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> And then we should be all set for Thomas to make a call on whether to fix this or whether the images are just too far off our expected images
[09:11:19 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Yes. I agree.
[09:11:19 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> But I guess this nicely plays into my question to him on the list in response to Mackram about Decapod
[09:11:40 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I still don't have a clear understanding of what the expected behaviour is for books with illustrations or images inline with the text.
[09:11:51 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Do you have any sense of the answer to that question?
[09:13:07 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> colinclark: yes, but just after talking to michael this morning.
[09:13:15 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[09:13:19 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> lay it on us
[09:14:13 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> colinclark: Right now images are being masked. So ultimately the end result should have the images "pasted" back in on PDF output.
[09:14:25 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> not sure if that means greyscale or colour.
[09:14:48 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
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[09:17:49 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> jhung: cool, so we're making progress. Do we have a good test image that includes text and an image inline so we can see how it react in terms of this inversion issue?
[09:20:11 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Colinclark: We have "bad" ones from yesterday. I'm going to test with the D-Day book i captured from before that uses photographs with text.
[09:20:20 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Ah, yes
[09:20:27 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> The D-Day book is perfect!
[09:20:38 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Lemme know how it goes
[09:20:53 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Yup. I'll then post what I find to list and to the bug
[09:23:51 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> jhung-alt: http://source.fluidproject.org/svn/design/decapod/Resources/Images/Books/D-Day/colour/
[09:24:24 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> talking to yourself
[09:24:43 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> lo
[09:24:44 CDT(-0500)] <jhung-alt> l
[09:24:51 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark>
[09:30:55 CDT(-0500)] <jhung-alt> colinclark: yikes. I can't even open the PDF generated using the d-day images.
[09:31:05 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> what happens to it?
[09:31:41 CDT(-0500)] <jhung-alt> evince just closes and the console prints out a buffer full of this: "Error (12467707): Illegal character <23> in hex string
[09:31:42 CDT(-0500)] <jhung-alt> Error (12467707): Illegal character <6b> in hex string
[09:31:42 CDT(-0500)] <jhung-alt> Error (12467712): Illegal character <6c> in hex string
[09:31:42 CDT(-0500)] <jhung-alt> Error (12467712): Illegal character <72> in hex string
[09:31:42 CDT(-0500)] <jhung-alt> Error (12467712): Illegal character <6a> in hex string"
[09:31:59 CDT(-0500)] <jhung-alt> may be an evince issue. I'll try acrobat.
[09:37:05 CDT(-0500)] <jhung-alt> colinclark: bingo. The D-Day set of images exhibit two bugs we've seen - colour inversion, and page skipping.
[09:37:22 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> interesting
[09:37:39 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ok, let's definitely use these as test images to illustrate the issue to thomas
[09:37:40 CDT(-0500)] <jhung-alt> needed to use Acrobat to view the file though. Something in the generated PDF causes evince to crash.
[09:42:41 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> that's odd
[09:46:16 CDT(-0500)] <jhung-alt> I have reopened DECA-58 (omitting pages)
[09:52:25 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> cool
[09:52:40 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Do other pages of the D-Day book show the issue, too?
[09:56:46 CDT(-0500)] <jhung-alt> Colinclark: no just one page causes inversion.... and it's slightly more yellow than he rest.
[09:56:57 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> interesting
[09:57:06 CDT(-0500)] <jhung-alt> (actually the original page is like that).
[09:57:06 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Well, I guess it's sort of fuzzy what the next step will be
[09:57:12 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm glad Thomas is looking into it
[09:57:17 CDT(-0500)] <jhung-alt> yeah
[09:57:25 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> And hopefully it will open up a discussion about how to handle image-heavy material
[09:57:26 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> now and in the future
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[14:24:08 CDT(-0500)] <yakimax> Good afternoon
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[14:32:27 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> michelled: I'm doing some wiki gardening. Is it okay to delete this page? http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Michelle%27s+Decapod+0.3+Features%2C+Limitations%2C+and+Issues+List
[14:33:12 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> no jhung, colin is going to update that page
[14:36:02 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> okay
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[15:52:55 CDT(-0500)] <jamon> yakimax: hey, how goes?
[15:53:12 CDT(-0500)] <jamon> michelled: yakimax is wondering about getting started with engage, any pointers?
[15:54:10 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> hi yakimax, what are you trying to do with engage?
[15:56:09 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> Here's the Fluid Engage wiki if you're interested: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+Engage
[16:18:00 CDT(-0500)] <yakimax> HI
[16:18:15 CDT(-0500)] <yakimax> was taken away from the desk for a bit
[16:18:52 CDT(-0500)] <yakimax> I placed the engage package on the server last night
[16:19:07 CDT(-0500)] <yakimax> didn't explode, but should tonight
[16:27:05 CDT(-0500)] <yakimax> What I need to know now, is what it will provide me once it does
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[17:59:52 CDT(-0500)] <yakimax> Thanks jamon, for getting me started
[18:00:02 CDT(-0500)] <yakimax> I guess I will find out when it opens up
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