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[09:49:33 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> ping jameswy justin_o
[09:49:43 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> hello
[09:49:47 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> pong jhung
[09:54:11 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> guys got time to skype?
[09:54:22 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> sure
[09:55:22 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> back in a sec. Technical issues.
[09:55:43 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: okay... call me when you are ready
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[10:41:24 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jhung: have you tested out the capture with the book liberator lately
[10:41:43 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> no.
[10:42:34 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> justin_o: I can do that as part of my testing.
[10:45:58 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> hey jhung, do you know where the book liberator is hanging out at?
[10:46:37 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I have it here.
[10:47:03 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm just trying to set up to do some testing
[10:47:08 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> colinclark: you should get better results using the tripod + manfrotto bar.
[10:47:17 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Seems like L/R independent capture is almost impossible without something like the book liberator
[10:47:31 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> What help keeps the spine flat with the tripod setup?
[10:47:46 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> And have you had good look getting the composition right?
[10:47:53 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> What about depth of field issues with a book laying flat?
[10:47:57 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> colinclark: use two different books for each camera and space them apart.
[10:48:08 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> *them = the cameras.
[10:49:04 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[10:49:23 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> So, in terms of practical book capture, the tripod and bar setup doesn't actually really work, then?
[10:49:25 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> There was a cerlox / coil bound booklet lying around the office that I was using for this purpose.
[10:49:33 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> What sorts of limitations does the book liberator have?
[10:49:52 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> The book liberator mounts the camera in fixed positions. So it's hard to frame your pages.
[10:50:34 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> So you get a lot of grabage around the page you're interested in. You're as well off with the tripod as with the liberator.
[10:51:23 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> So, here's an interesting question
[10:51:30 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> How would I actually capture a single book with Decapod today?
[10:52:07 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Borrow a rig from the IA, or get 2 tripods and put cameras to aim across each other.
[10:52:38 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I saw a tripod downstairs in Bert's office.
[10:53:00 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[10:54:03 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> The book itself will either need to be flat on a surface or cropped up at angles to the camera.
[10:58:02 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I've got basically the best setup I can at the moment, so it'll be interesting to see how the results go
[10:59:24 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Yes. I'm limited in the same way... worse actually since my two nikons shoot at different resolutions and at different focal lengths.
[11:02:49 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> jhung_afk: So, is there any way to control the zoom of the camera?
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[12:26:35 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> colinclark: I have two lenses that have some overlapping focal lengths, but optically the results are different. Too bad I can't have Decapod just use 1 camera to take 2 pictures.
[12:55:41 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> hey jhung
[12:55:53 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> colinclark: yep
[12:56:02 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Any chance you have the original TIFFs hanging around for those sample images in the design SVN space?
[12:56:19 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm thinking we might want our sample images to be as close as possible to what we get out of the cameras
[12:56:29 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess typically we're getting large JPEGs out of the camera
[12:56:43 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> yeah.
[12:56:48 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> These just look so small
[12:56:48 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Let me see if I have them...
[12:56:54 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess they're already black and white, too
[12:56:55 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> F
[12:56:59 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Full colour would be awesome
[12:57:08 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Where did they come from, originally?
[12:57:09 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> A scanner?
[12:57:27 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I think the Ferns book came from jstor.
[12:58:03 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I checked, I don't have larger versions. archive.org should have good high quality images.
[13:01:38 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Can you do me the favour of tracking down some images that best represent the sort of output from our cameras that we're expecting?
[13:01:50 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm in the midst of trying to sort out just what it is that we can currently do...
[13:02:10 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> We're really not getting satisfactory results from exporting PDFs at this point
[13:02:24 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Actually, maybe we can skype about it for a few minutes, jhung?
[13:02:48 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> sure
[13:10:05 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: here's the start of the laser eye checklist I was mentioning to you. It's not complete and I intend on fleshing out each of the points. Feel free to add/edit/expand
[13:10:23 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Laser eye checklist!
[13:11:00 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> everyone, although the laser eye checklist is intended to help code reviewers it might be helpful to go through it yourself before asking for a review
[13:12:27 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> here's the link: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Laser+Eye+Checklist
[13:18:16 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> jhung, Justin_o, colinclark: I've pushed book management to my repo, and it uses the shared styling and images
[13:20:29 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> jameswy: thanks i'll pull it down now
[13:49:31 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> jhung: do you still have those images of digitized books that IUPR sent us?
[13:49:45 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> jhung: the really huge pack of images
[13:50:21 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I have to find them.
[13:51:26 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> jhung: If you could, that'd be great.
[13:56:09 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> jameswy, colinclark: I found the test images that iupr is using (totally forgot we had them). It's large: 781MB zipped.
[13:56:18 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> cool
[13:56:26 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Pretty big file
[13:56:37 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> jhung: maybe we can put it into the repo?
[13:56:45 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> ok. I'll start that now.
[13:56:57 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I'll put only a few pages. unless we need more.
[13:57:09 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> jhung: also, what's the filename? I'm sure I had it on my computer, but I can't find it.
[13:57:10 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> It should definitely go into SVN, not into Mercurial
[13:57:23 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> jameswy: g1k-volumes-0017-0046-0270.zip
[13:57:27 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> It's pretty big even for SVN, but I think we can probably live with it
[13:57:41 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> jameswy: if you've got it on your machine, maybe you can share a copy with me directly?
[13:57:57 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> colinclark: Just searched for it--doesn't seem to be on my computer.
[13:58:03 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> k
[13:58:12 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I'll start adding pages to the svn
[14:07:30 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> A funny/sad/revealing video on the 'average' computer user: http://www.uxmag.com/short-news/these-are-your-users-read-and-be-horrified
[14:07:41 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> "Remember these people when you're designing your products."
[14:08:37 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> jhung, take a peek when you get a chance, ^
[14:15:57 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> jameswy, colinclark, justin_o: I've added http://source.fluidproject.org/svn/design/decapod/Resources/Images/Books/g1k-volumes-0017-0046-0270/Volume_0017/
[14:16:05 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> thanks
[14:21:19 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> jameswy: Goes to show that most users just care about doing something, and the specifics about how you get there doesn't really matter.
[15:47:52 CDT(-0500)] <athena> hey folks
[15:47:57 CDT(-0500)] <athena> i had a question about refreshing the pager
[15:48:18 CDT(-0500)] <athena> i'm trying to mark previously locked modules as unlocked and vice versa, then call a refresh on the pager
[15:48:54 CDT(-0500)] <athena> the items don't actually seem to become appropriately draggable after the refresh
[15:49:51 CDT(-0500)] <athena> from some poking around, it looks like maybe they get added to the selectables list, but the ui-draggable class isn't appropriate added or removed to the drag handle
[15:54:04 CDT(-0500)] <athena> though manually applying that class doesn't really do anything
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