fluid-work IRC Logs-2010-04-13

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[10:39:20 EDT(-0400)] <clown> michelled: can I state that they should replace StyleAble and PreferAble with UIOptions?
[10:40:35 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> clown: UIOptions is still a preview component with all of the expectations around that. In the styleable/preferable days we didn't have such ratings.
[10:41:00 EDT(-0400)] <clown> michelled: so it's a "maybe"? (smile)
[10:41:04 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I think you could suggest they try UIOptions
[10:41:24 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> the benefit of using a Fluid component is that there is an active development community around them
[10:41:33 EDT(-0400)] <clown> good point.
[10:42:13 EDT(-0400)] <clown> Shall I cc one or both of you (anstasiac, michelled)?
[10:42:23 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> actually, cc fluid-work
[10:42:29 EDT(-0400)] <clown> cool
[10:42:32 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> then the whole community is aware and can help out (smile)
[11:11:12 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> justin_o: I just opened this issue: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3624
[11:11:54 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled: thanks
[11:11:59 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> np
[12:15:37 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jameswy: ping
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[13:23:02 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> justin_o: I'm free to help with testing.
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[15:35:47 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: ping
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[09:34:40 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: ping
[09:40:07 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jameswy: do you know if jamon is in?
[09:40:25 EDT(-0400)] <jameswy> jessm: He was--think he stepped out for coffee.
[09:40:36 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ah, thanks
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[09:43:23 EDT(-0400)] <tmb_> Hi, Jess, are you there?
[09:43:31 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> tmb_: yes
[09:43:36 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> tmb_: we meeting
[09:43:38 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ?
[09:43:40 EDT(-0400)] <tmb_> Didn't we want to talk via Skype?
[09:43:43 EDT(-0400)] <tmb_> I don't see you online.
[09:43:51 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> tmb_: (smile) i called you at 9:30 – no answer
[09:43:57 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> tmb_: i gmail chatted you – no answer
[09:44:18 EDT(-0400)] <tmb_> OK, I don't know what happened
[09:44:55 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> tmb_: ringing now – why don't you call me?
[09:45:27 EDT(-0400)] <tmb_> I don't se e you online
[09:45:38 EDT(-0400)] <tmb_> The MacMini is ringing, but the mouse isn't working on that one
[09:45:53 EDT(-0400)] <tmb_> I was trying to talk to you from my iPad (Skype), which is working, but I don't see you online there
[09:45:59 EDT(-0400)] <tmb_> One sec, let me find a mouse
[09:46:29 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> tmb_: just call whether i'm offline or not
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[11:00:12 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> jessm: hi
[11:00:33 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: hey there!
[11:00:49 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: any chance we can chat for a few minutes sometime today? i know you must be swamped
[11:01:15 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> i am, depends what it's about?
[11:01:47 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: i wanted to check in re: CFI, Decapod setup, and Fluid wiki - just a chat
[11:02:42 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> sometime after 3pm ok?
[11:03:52 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: sounds great
[11:04:02 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> k
[11:04:21 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> am I here?
[11:04:27 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> michelled_: indeed
[11:04:34 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> but you've fallen off IM
[11:04:56 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> wireless hates me
[11:06:00 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> michelled_: can we skype?
[11:07:05 EDT(-0400)] <michelled_> jessm: sure - give me a sec to find a headset
[11:38:05 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: yura if you need a pair of eyes on a readme, lemme know
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[11:39:58 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: thanks... was hoping you'd be able to take a look
[11:44:34 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: what do you think we should put mobile FSS at... (sneak peek, preview, or production)
[11:44:57 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> i'm leaning towards "sneak peek" which is what it was at before, or possible preview
[11:52:27 EDT(-0400)] <yura> hi anastasiac, would you happen to know if this issue is fixed : http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3224
[11:53:05 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> yura, I haven't verified it in CSpace yet
[11:53:12 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> do you need me to do that now?
[11:57:13 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: i'm thinking it should be sneak peek at the moment specifically because the current wording of our preview level states that it works in a broader range of browsers ... i think what we need to do at some point is to define a mobile variant of these scales and a mobile support chart.
[11:57:26 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> i'll try to write this suggestion to the list
[12:00:39 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> yura: I can't replicate FLUID-3224 in CSpace anymore
[12:00:52 EDT(-0400)] <yura> thanks, anastasiac
[12:09:32 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: sorry, just getting back
[12:10:58 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: how does mFSS measure up to these descriptions? http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Component+Status
[12:11:36 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: and here: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Infusion+1.5+Roadmap
[12:15:52 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: it is marked as a new feature/component
[12:16:07 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> or should say slated for that
[12:16:57 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: ? where do you mean?
[12:17:21 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> My concern with preview status is "..broad browser support.."
[12:17:35 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: oh on the second link you sent me, because it is written in black text
[12:17:41 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: what kind of browser support does mFSS have now?
[12:17:50 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> webkit based browsers
[12:18:04 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> specifically tested with safari
[12:18:16 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> but seems to also work with chrome
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[12:18:38 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: and what would you consider broad browser support for a mobile app?
[12:18:51 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> or are we using the A-grade as the measure?
[12:19:29 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> said a different way, are there other browsers we'll be supporting w/ mFSS in the future?
[12:22:52 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: i suppose in a way this is basically what i was saying... that the current wording of these classifcations makes it confusing for "mobile" specific parts of infusion
[12:23:09 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: right
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[12:23:22 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> so, if we expect to just support webkit, have we achieved that?
[12:23:30 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: yep
[12:23:57 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> what i was suggesting is that we need to have a support chart and classifications for the mobile specific parts
[12:24:17 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ok
[12:24:24 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> or all pieces could have two ratings
[12:24:30 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: what might the stages of development for mobile look like?
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[12:25:23 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> i'm not sure... at the moment i suppose it would be very similar with the words "broad browser support" dropped... until we start supporting more browsers
[12:27:34 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> so with the two rating system... for example mFSS would be sneak peek for desktop, and preview for mobile
[12:28:20 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> if you want more time to think about this, we could put it as sneak peek for now and then work out these issues for 1.3
[12:28:28 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: ^
[12:29:32 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: if you put the two-rating system in, then are you comfortable calling it preview?
[12:29:53 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: or do you feel we'll put in enough new, sneak peak-y stuff we should keep it at sneak peak
[12:31:46 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: honestly i'm not sure how most of this stuff will go with jacob gone... I think he tried to fix up the changes we made to engage while he was gone and it has changed since 1.1.2
[12:32:23 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: if we don't know, does it make sense to stick with sneak peak
[12:32:37 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> peek
[12:33:00 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: probably safer... and will give us more freedom to make changes if we need to
[12:33:19 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: +1
[12:33:25 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: thanks
[12:33:58 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: by the way... how did you want to take a look at the readme when we're done.. should we commit and you take a look at the repository? or should i just send you the text?
[12:33:58 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> {color}
[12:36:01 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: hang on a second
[12:36:36 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: sure... got to make more changes anyways... so take your time
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[13:13:46 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: if you have a url for the readme, i can go from there
[13:13:53 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> if you wantt to send me the txt that'd be fine too
[13:13:56 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> whichever works for you
[13:14:20 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: i'll send you the text so that I can minimize the commits
[13:18:40 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: sounds good
[13:19:41 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: thanks... just sent it to you
[13:22:16 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: looks really good, straightforward
[13:22:32 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: i wonder if we can say something more specific than this " * Smaller, faster, and more mobile-friendly package" do we have metrics?
[13:23:07 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: i don't think so unfortunately... we can do a a build to see how much smaller it is... but not sure about the faster
[13:23:21 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> oh, i mean thte smaller, sorry
[13:23:30 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> oh okay... yes... we can do that
[13:23:32 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: so, it went from size A to size B
[13:23:35 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> cool
[13:23:41 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i think that'd be good to put in there
[13:23:46 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> otherwise, it looks solid
[13:24:11 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: thanks... okay... i'll make that last update and commit it
[13:24:48 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: yura: thanks for doing all that testing guys – you rock!
[13:25:05 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> (smile)
[13:25:28 EDT(-0400)] <yura> (smile)
[14:40:51 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> jameswy, justin_o, jessm,michelled,tmb_: I just sent out an email to the Decapod list w a diagram about the post-capture processing. Maybe we can discuss this on Thursday? (but I prefer emails to the list as it helps me document things).
[14:41:16 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jhung: i'll take a look in a bit, but list is a good way to go
[14:48:29 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: so i just checked the size...and the zipped src bundle is about 0.2 mb smaller
[14:48:54 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: hmmm, i thought it was much more
[14:49:02 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: me too
[14:49:20 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: well, then maybe we don't need to put the specific numbers in there now
[14:49:25 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> (smile)
[14:49:27 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> and we might need to figure out why it isn't much smaller
[14:49:29 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> okay
[14:51:43 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: unzipped there is a 5.6MB difference
[14:51:53 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: well, that's weird
[14:51:56 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> but much bigger!
[14:52:04 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> i guess this stuff just compresses really well
[14:52:08 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> so, you can say 5.6MB smaller?
[14:52:52 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: ^
[14:53:45 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> okay... i'll say something like the uncompressed size is 5.6MB smaller
[14:53:54 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> nice
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[15:00:48 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm: here's the wording i've gone with
[15:00:49 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> The uncompressed distributions are now over 5 MB smaller
[15:02:39 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: perfect
[15:04:41 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> jessm: call me when you're ready
[15:05:39 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: calling...
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[15:46:36 EDT(-0400)] <yura> justin_o: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3645 - these is the copyright jira with a patch
[15:46:46 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> yura thanks
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[16:34:16 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> jessm, michelled, yura, and others: just found a bug
[16:34:25 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> one of the unit tests is failing
[16:34:32 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> for the keyboard-a11y plugin
[16:34:38 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> i guess we all missed testing it before
[16:34:46 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I spoke too soon - I was just congratulating justin_o on getting down to the i dotting and t crossing
[16:35:24 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> justin_o: uh oh – what are our next steps?
[16:35:56 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> if it's just a change in the test file then the retesting would only require the tests to be rerun
[16:36:07 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> we generally do consider failing tests to be blockers
[16:36:36 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> michelled: okay... but it seems that it is an an excpetion that is being thrown from the keyboard-a11y plugin
[16:36:49 EDT(-0400)] <justin_o> line 372
[16:37:00 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> justin_o: do you know if the test itself is bad? or if there is a bug in the actual code?
[16:47:12 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> looks like a bug in the code - I think we need to find out more about it
[16:47:57 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> if we can determine how we get into the state where the 'activeItemIndex' is negative then we can possibly open a JIRA for the issue and continue shipping 1.2
[16:48:15 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> jessm ^
[16:49:05 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> michelled: what would be the impact?