fluid-work IRC Logs-2008-07-28

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[10:47:20 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Justin_o:
[10:47:25 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Many thanks for your masterly verifications
[10:48:00 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: your welcome.. thanks for all the fixes
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[12:01:32 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran:
[12:01:35 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> hello
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[12:01:49 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: heah-o
[12:01:59 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> what to test?
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[12:02:19 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes... we have a few options..
[12:02:25 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> reorderer
[12:02:28 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> ooo, I get to pick?
[12:02:32 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> inline edit
[12:02:37 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> I can do IE
[12:02:42 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> iE
[12:02:46 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> not the evil IE
[12:03:01 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> guess. you don't have much choice now ecochran
[12:03:03 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> sorry..
[12:03:05 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> oh
[12:03:09 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> didnt see the previous
[12:03:10 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> post
[12:03:12 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> sorry bout that
[12:03:23 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I was going to take iE, but I'm happy to do reorderer
[12:03:24 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> pls start over
[12:03:35 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> um.. but also need to know which browsers and which os
[12:03:39 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> ok, so I can do the re-orderer
[12:03:44 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> cool
[12:03:51 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I can do iE in IE as well as Mac
[12:04:06 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I can cover IE 6 and 7
[12:04:13 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I'd rather not do Opera
[12:04:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jacobfarber is on Windows...
[12:04:25 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay.. i'll do opera for inline edit
[12:04:27 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ecochran is on Mac OS X.
[12:04:33 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> and Windows
[12:04:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So that may help us to split up the work accordingly.
[12:04:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Ah, ecochran is all virtualized.
[12:04:51 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Current+Needs
[12:04:54 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I have a little lappy now with Windows sitting on my desk
[12:04:58 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> look under qa.. it has links to the tests
[12:05:35 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> OK, so I'm working on the Inline Edit across systems...
[12:05:45 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Is there a place to mark what you get done?
[12:06:30 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> no.. not sure how to do that on the wiki
[12:06:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: You could use the task list macro.
[12:06:51 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Or todo list. I'm not sure what it's called. Let me check.
[12:07:15 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> We could just have a little grid |Test|Browser|Who|Completed|
[12:07:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Check the confluence docs for the dynamic task list...
[12:07:42 EDT(-0400)]

<colinclark>

[12:07:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I find it a bit dorky, but it does make it really easy for people to check things off.
[12:07:57 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thank you.. let me go check that now
[12:08:31 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I have the room to myself this morning so I'm going to crank up the speakers!
[12:08:47 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I think I'll start with a little "I am Robot and Proud"
[12:09:45 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> who did that song?
[12:09:54 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: should we test on the builds page, or on a local instance?
[12:10:23 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> probably the build site.. but that does raise a point about uploader...
[12:10:36 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: Robot and Proud is our very own Shaw-Han!
[12:11:02 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I can put up a testing instance of the Uploader for the day running here at Berkeley
[12:11:04 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> oh... nice.. i'll have to find out how to get his music
[12:11:14 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> YouTube!
[12:11:21 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: thanks.. for both
[12:11:33 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I'll send out the IP in a few minutes
[12:11:48 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: please let me know when it is up and running
[12:11:57 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> the live Uploader is inline only, but it'll be good for most things
[12:12:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ecochran: We miss Shaw-Han. He's apparently super-busy with his video game.
[12:12:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I saw a friend yesterday who says he never leaves the house. Working away on the PS3 all day. Life's rough.
[12:13:04 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: can you send me the info on how to access it
[12:13:08 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> give him my love (was that not appropriate for the list?)
[12:13:21 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: yes
[12:13:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ecochran: He's just finishing up a new album. And will be touring quite a bit to support it, especially in Japan.
[12:13:26 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> not up yet
[12:13:27 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I will tell him.
[12:13:30 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> working on it
[12:13:33 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thanks
[12:13:40 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> colinclark: is Ray's app part of the release?
[12:13:49 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I just noticed a check in that I didn't do
[12:13:51 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ecochran: The gallery stub?
[12:13:54 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> that I'd like to get in
[12:13:56 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> yes
[12:14:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ecochran: No, it's not affected by code freeze.
[12:14:42 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> basically none of the HTML fixes that we did on Friday got checked in
[12:14:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We only free the components module.
[12:14:50 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> OK, checking in
[12:15:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Everything inside here is subject to code freeze: https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/components/trunk/
[12:15:23 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I mean only the HTML fixes for the Gallery stub didn't get checked in, all else is good!
[12:18:09 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> crap, CARET-Dev may be down, so I'm having trouble building...
[12:18:37 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> nope, I'm OK
[12:22:21 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: Could you check the follow URL to see if you can see it from outside my firewall?
[12:22:21 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> http://169.229.212.27:8080/sakai-imagegallery2-web/site/BrowseImages/
[12:23:10 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Or anyone?!
[12:23:13 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I can see some very interesting pictures of you
[12:23:18 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> great
[12:23:35 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> OK, everyone, the following URL is open for testing of the Uploader:
[12:23:36 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> http://169.229.212.27:8080/sakai-imagegallery2-web/site/BrowseImages/
[12:23:50 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Let me know if you need me to refresh the server
[12:24:01 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> just ping me
[12:24:21 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thanks.. i was just going to ask you about that
[12:24:31 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I just restarted
[12:24:45 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> it takes 10 seconds
[12:24:52 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay..
[12:25:00 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> less really
[12:25:08 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> who's going to be testing Uploader?
[12:26:59 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> sorry.. forgot to mention that
[12:27:01 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i will be
[12:27:35 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> just added the component to check off the testing task
[12:27:37 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Current+Needs
[12:27:42 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> under qa testing again
[12:28:24 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I'll also assign ecochran, jacobfarber , and myself tasks in jira so that we can keep everything straight
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[12:37:51 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: is there a priority order for which browsers and platforms?
[12:38:16 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> good question...
[12:38:50 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> working on it
[12:38:54 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I've posted a patch for Fluid-1033
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[12:39:26 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: I'll take a look. Justin_o and I are just talking about A-Grade browser support and how to prioritize this as we slowly introduce it.
[12:39:38 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> cool
[12:41:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So in terms of priority, let's focus on Windows XP and Mac OS X 10.5.
[12:41:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Testing IE 6 and 7, FF 2 and 3, and Safari 3.
[12:41:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We should continue to ramp up our testing support for Opera and other platforms.
[12:41:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> This is just a guideline in terms of how to prioritize when we've got a lot of testing to do.
[12:42:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Testing on Opera and Vista and so on is of course still a Good Thing.
[12:42:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[12:46:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: Justin_o needs a hand applying your patch to a copy of the code. Do you have a minute to walk him through the process?
[12:46:40 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sure
[12:46:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: AC has offered to serve up a copy of the patch from the OCTACORE...
[12:46:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: Or I you could perhaps give him a zip file with the changes.
[12:46:53 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks anastasiac@
[12:46:56 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> !
[12:47:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> "Or you could"
[12:47:48 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> anastasiac - do you prefer if I give him a zip?
[12:48:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled, anastasiac: We should probably make sure we test also against the Sakai Image Gallery...
[12:48:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Since that is a place where the orderChangedCallback is being used to actually accomplish some real business.
[12:49:26 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> if it's not too much trouble, then, I think it would be better to serve it from the OCTACORE since it has the image gallery on it already
[12:49:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac has just offered to shepherd this testing along, since she's across the table from Justin.
[12:49:43 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thank you!
[12:50:24 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok, I'm going to apply the patch here on my machine, on a clean check-out, and serve it up.
[12:50:37 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, I'll let you know the URL when it's available
[12:50:52 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thank you
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[13:05:18 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: At: /fluid/tests/fluid-tests/manual/inline-edit/InlineEdit.html there are some manual tests, are these part of the test plan? I didn't see them.
[13:05:36 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I guess I'm asking if all the tests are run against Announcements or anywhere else?
[13:06:04 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ecochran: Justin's gone to grab some lunch. He should be back shortly.
[13:06:18 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> colinclark: cool
[13:06:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ecochran: If I remember correctly, we don't tend to include the manual tests as a formal part of our QA plan, since they are intended as developer-specific tests. They're worth taking a peek at, though.
[13:06:51 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> that makes sense
[13:07:32 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I ask because there was some discussion about the viability of Announcements as a test environment, but now that I think about it, that was just for user testing.
[13:07:43 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Ok, Justin_o, michelled's patch is up and running at: http://142.150.154.160:8080/portal
[13:07:55 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> and at http://142.150.154.160:8080/fluid-components-0.4-SNAPSHOT/....
[13:08:13 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> so http://142.150.154.160:8080/fluid-components-0.4-SNAPSHOT/sample-code/....
[13:08:14 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> etc
[13:08:34 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> let me know if you have any difficulties accessing this url
[13:11:04 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok, Justin_o, hold off on testing the portal site mentioned above, I'm not sure it actually has the patch in it...
[13:16:47 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: sorry I'm late to answer this... it should be in the unit test section at the top of the test plan
[13:16:49 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Ok, Justin_o, that portal link is good to go now
[13:17:00 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: thanks.. i'll go check it out
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[13:20:37 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: sorry i thought you said unit tests... no the manual tests are not part of the test plan
[13:20:51 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: thanks, np
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[13:32:58 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: I notice that "After hovering the pointer over the inline edit field..." is marked in red (for not functioning) when, in fact, it is now functioning... would you like me to fix this in the test plan, or would you like to make the fix?
[13:33:34 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> Yes, please make the edit. Thanks
[13:35:21 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: done
[13:36:00 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: thanks for that
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[14:24:19 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> anastasiac, michelled, colinclark: I've done some testing on the patch and haven't found any new bugs.. I sent a brief message to the list, indicating this
[14:24:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Thanks! That's great news.
[14:27:28 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks!
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[14:35:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark_> michelled: Good patch.
[14:35:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark_> Nice to see those tests.
[14:35:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark_> I'm going to send a +1 to the mailing list as soon as I get off this conference call.
[14:36:01 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks - I probably should have written a few more but at least we'll have a failing test if something happens to the item parameter
[14:36:15 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> cool
[14:42:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark_> michelled: Did you get a feel for the effort involved in passing back the list of selectables to the callback as well?
[14:42:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark_> For 0.5.
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[14:42:33 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I'd say a day
[14:42:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark_> michelled: What's involved?
[14:42:45 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> that gives me a little lee way with writing some better tests
[14:43:51 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> The layout handlers for the Reorderer are what calls the order changed callback
[14:44:24 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> 'findItems' is in scope each time it gets called
[14:44:44 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> so it's just a matter of passing it.
[14:45:03 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ok, so my estimate is hugely padded - but I want to do some refactoring too
[14:45:52 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> colinclark_ ^
[14:46:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark_> michelled: Cool, thanks. Padding estimates is good. Just ask Bosmon.
[14:46:24 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thatify the layoutHandler ...
[14:47:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark_> thatification!
[14:47:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark_> michelled: So theoretically, it's as trivial as the patch you just made?
[14:48:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark_> Since the item finder is already in scope?
[14:48:02 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes
[14:48:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark_> How delightful.
[14:48:37 EDT(-0400)] <michelled>
[15:25:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark_> Justin_o: Here's a link to Selenium http://selenium.openqa.org/
[15:25:28 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thank you
[15:25:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark_> Justin_o: And Windmill, which I hear the Dojo guys have started using. http://windmill.osafoundation.org/
[15:26:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark_> Windmill is one of the tangibles that came out of the whole Chandler thing.
[15:26:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark_> We didn't quite get an organizer app, but we did get a UI testing tool.
[15:27:12 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thank you.. it should be very helpful to me...
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[15:29:08 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> jacobfarber, jhung, i'm heading out shortly after 5... two seats available
[15:29:26 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> im in!
[15:30:10 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> thanks a ton
[15:30:55 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> np!
[15:41:19 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: Sorry I may have forgot to mention this to you. I have added a Tasks tracker to the current needs page so you can mark off what you've done there, as well as in jira
[16:02:26 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: I saw that but it wasn't granular enough for me since I've only completed part of the task.
[16:03:27 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes.. jacob re-named his tasks so he could mark them as he goes... i'm just leaving mine the way they are and updating when i'm done.. you can change them if you like.. its up to you
[16:08:04 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> thanks
[16:17:51 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: i'm done for the day... i tested the error checking with your live version of uploader. thank you
[16:18:03 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Cool
[16:18:10 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> anyone else going to be testing on my box?
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