fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-04-09

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[08:29:30 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> Justin_o - what can i help with? I have non-urgent website tasks, or can help with non-critical release tasks (just in case i have to take A to docs, better not do something critical)
[08:30:47 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> laurelw: not too sure... there is documentation help needed, I'll see if i can find the jira that Eli started... later on in the day you can help us with testing the release bundle, but I don't think Eli has package anything up yet
[08:31:02 EDT(-0400)] <laurelw> ok
[08:34:33 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> laurelw: there is some information here on what is left to do http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+1.0+Release+Status
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[11:51:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: What's up?
[11:52:01 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I have questions about the statuses of the components
[11:52:06 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Fire away
[11:52:19 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> on April 1, we decided that table of contents was preview and undo was poduction
[11:52:31 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> but the readme lists toc as sneak peek and doesn't mention undo
[11:53:19 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> did I just miss some subsequent revision of that?
[11:53:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Nope, it's just out of date.
[11:54:04 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> There's an ongoing argument about whether or not Undo is a component...
[11:54:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We're probably safe to treat it as a "framework feature"
[11:54:19 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok
[11:54:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But for things like status, it really doesn't matter
[11:54:24 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> how bout ToC?
[11:54:36 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Everything UI Options is still in Preview.
[11:54:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ToC is a component.
[11:54:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: "* Up to date ARIA support for the Reorderer"
[11:55:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> "Up to date" or "Up-to-date"?
[11:55:03 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> readme says toc is sneak peek
[11:55:06 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I guess the former, right?
[11:55:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I have a problem with dashes.
[11:55:14 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> OK, so it looks like the change to the Read Me is that TOC should move to Preview
[11:55:28 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Were you part of any status discussions for ToC?
[11:55:35 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> and Undo should be added to Production
[11:55:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Is there a reason Fish wants it to be sneak peek while the other parts of UI Options are preview?
[11:56:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Fish did have a chance at the ReadMe and she didn't change it
[11:56:26 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> sorry... just trying to catch up
[11:56:43 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: I prefer up-to-date, but I'll leave it to the documentation queen to make the call
[11:56:49 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: ^
[11:57:25 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> dashes are in
[11:58:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: I want to bring jessm into the mix to check out our ReadMe before we cut the release.
[11:58:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jessm: Do you have any free cycles at the moment? I'm just about to commit my updates.
[11:58:38 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: agreed
[11:58:42 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> hit me!
[11:58:48 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark: hmm... sorry ... i only remember that she said it was ready as a full fledged component... don't recall whether there was a distinction between preview and sneak-peak made
[11:58:51 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: have you checked your changes in?
[11:58:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: on it right now
[11:59:20 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: as soon as Mr. Clark commits, I'd like you to take a look at the Read Me
[12:01:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jessm: It's in. https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/infusion/trunk/README.txt
[12:01:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ack, tabbing problem on the first line
[12:01:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[12:02:08 EDT(-0400)] * jessm is all over it
[12:02:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i'll fix the tabbing now
[12:02:22 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac, Justin_o, colinclark : anyone remember who updated the website demos for 0.8?
[12:02:31 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: thank you~
[12:02:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> somone's still got tabs set in their editor.
[12:02:37 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> dunno who
[12:02:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> doesn't matter
[12:02:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> plus, i can't spell anymore
[12:02:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ack, it's me!
[12:03:03 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac>
[12:03:04 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: Jacob was having editor problems yesterday
[12:03:12 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: ok, he's off the hook
[12:03:29 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: did you recently update your Aptana?
[12:03:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: No.
[12:03:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Does Aptana have some kind of per-file type setting for tabs vs. spaces?
[12:03:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I wonder if it has to do with this being a .txt file.
[12:04:02 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> colinclark: am i good to go on the readme or is it affected by this tab issue?
[12:04:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: oh well... I was just reminded that everytime I update Aptana I have to reset my tabs vs. spaces
[12:04:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jessm: You're good unless you're submitting a patch
[12:04:22 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> it might be the file type
[12:04:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> if you're gonna fire up diff, give me a sec to get these in
[12:04:35 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i don't commit
[12:05:01 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I think that it also takes the indent from the line above it so you may have perpetuated someone else's tab
[12:06:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: aha
[12:06:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I bet that's it.
[12:06:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> This file is riddled with tabs
[12:06:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> almost gone now
[12:06:41 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: not sure that it's that big a deal since it's a Read Me and not source code
[12:07:02 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: but why don't you run jslint on it just for kicks ;P
[12:07:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: It is, only because of the inconsistency...
[12:07:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So if you view it in a browser, for example, the readme looks all sloppy
[12:07:26 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> true, true
[12:07:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> since at least by default, Firefox uses a larger value for tabs
[12:07:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I swear I'm not just being a perfectionist.
[12:07:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[12:08:02 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: are you talking about the demos on the website or the wiki
[12:08:30 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: I would never accuse YOU of perfectionism (cough, cough... something caught in my throat... excuse me)
[12:08:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[12:08:37 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: website
[12:08:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: You should talk.
[12:09:00 EDT(-0400)] * elicochran hangs is head
[12:09:03 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: that was probably laurel or anastasia
[12:09:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: I've got this really weird case... a few lines indented with both tabs AND spaces
[12:09:31 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: feature!
[12:09:53 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> we're so cool! we mix it up
[12:11:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: tabs have been removed
[12:11:23 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: thanks
[12:11:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> check that out: https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/infusion/trunk/README.txt
[12:11:29 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> everything lines up
[12:12:47 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: it's beautiful! jessm, we're ready for you
[12:13:20 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: should we put Undo into the Status list?
[12:13:23 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran: on the case
[12:13:29 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> component or not
[12:13:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: ack, one more tabbing issue
[12:13:50 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: and re: undo, yes
[12:14:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Shall I go ahead and do it
[12:14:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ?
[12:14:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> or shall we wait for jessm's changes?
[12:14:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> (no rush)
[12:14:22 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> if you're fixing tabs you might as well
[12:14:37 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> we can wait
[12:15:44 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> but let me write it down so I don't miss it
[12:16:18 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: what was the final word about promoting TOC?
[12:16:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: I guess if Fish had a reason for sneak peeking it, then we'll keep it as-is
[12:16:52 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: great... cool with me
[12:18:42 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: may I close your Read Me JIRA?
[12:19:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: please, yes
[12:19:42 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: done
[12:19:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> thanks dude
[12:21:30 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark, anastasiac, Justin_o: I have an online meeting at 10 so I'll be missing standup. I'm going to multitask and cut the tag as soon as I have jessm's ReadMe edits. But I may be multitasking sloowwwly. I'll be back up to full speed at 11am (2pm)
[12:22:03 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: No worries. jessm and I will also be missing standup, so it'll be quiet.
[12:22:24 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: cool
[12:22:26 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> thanks
[12:23:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: I'm going to start writing the release email now, so you and jessm can review that as well
[12:23:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: excellent
[12:31:30 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> 4 things in the readme – how should i tell y'all – just type it in here?
[12:31:41 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> colinclark: elicochran: ^
[12:31:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jessm: Yeah, that probably makes sense.
[12:32:11 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: that's fine with me. I'll pick them up and put them in
[12:32:55 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> #1 in what's new section – UI Options "a better user interface" – better, how? that seems more vague than the rest of our what's new – but it isn't a baby in a hot car, so i don't think we need to fret about it if that's what we want to say
[12:33:38 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> #2 under "examples and sample code" there seems to be a '*' after the word 'used' that doesn't refer to anything – perhaps it isn't supposed to be there?
[12:33:51 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: I'm not familiar with the changes so I can't really comment
[12:34:31 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> #3 under known issues FSS 2504 has a 'dont' without an apostrophe and 2397 has a 'doesnt' without an apostrophe – small stuff, i know
[12:34:56 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: #2, yep, I noticed that the other day... I'll kill it
[12:35:22 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> #4 under known issues Uploader let's say "for information related to known issues with Flash 10..." is that controversial?
[12:35:47 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> otherwise this is one wicked tight readme.txt – makes me feel confident in the stuff underneath
[12:35:58 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> #3, interesting. I think that those were cut-and-paste from JIRA, fixed
[12:36:47 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> #4, I don't think that it's controversial
[12:37:28 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: we link to the wiki page because it seems like too much info to put in the Read Me
[12:38:06 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> yeah, keep the link for sure – lose the redundant word
[12:38:13 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> two regardings i think
[12:38:28 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> two relateds
[12:38:32 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: two related... now I see it
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[12:42:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm and colinclark : Now that I look at the link, I think that we should just delete it, it's a bit outdated... we've mitigated much of that evil and the evil that's still there has been documented elsewhere
[12:42:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i'm just on a call, will catch up in a sec
[12:44:12 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: my Aptana is adding tabs too, even though I just checked the settings! ARRGH
[12:48:37 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> catching up now
[12:49:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Do you have any ideas for making jessm #1 point a little less vague?
[12:49:55 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> sorry... i'm going to try to catch up
[12:50:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: When you say documented elsewhere, is there a more suitable link to provide?
[12:52:38 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: I was thinking that the JIRAs and the Uploader Read Me
[12:53:16 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: at the very least, we should write a new wiki page since some of what is on that page is out dated
[12:54:03 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok
[12:54:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we should do that
[12:54:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we could mine some of the emails we've sent to the list
[12:54:27 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: ^
[12:55:01 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: great, I'll get on that... but do you think that it should link from the Read Me?
[12:55:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Probably, eys
[12:55:56 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: OK... let me set up a page for it and I can add the link and write the page later
[13:00:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: That makes sense. Thanks so much.
[13:00:57 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark, jessm: I think you can say something like "a better user interface: replaced comboboxes with accessible sliders to provide a more dynamic range of sizes, improved layout of options, and improved the contrast themes"
[13:02:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Thanks, that's very helpful. I'll do a bit of wordsmithing after this call.
[13:02:55 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: the wiki page on Uploader compatibility is out of date http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Uploader+Compatibility+Chart
[13:03:02 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> do you have time to update it?
[13:03:08 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran, will you be standing up today?
[13:03:29 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: I can't, I have an online meeting this morning
[13:07:01 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/x/kwZo (with text taken from the Uploader Read Me)
[13:07:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: tweaking it now
[13:08:31 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: thanks
[13:15:05 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: i think i started another page for that... let me take a look
[13:16:11 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Upload+Compatibility let me know if you want to leave it as is or change it , or merge it with the other page
[13:17:04 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran: I'm off my call now, and available for whatever release tasks you might have for me
[13:17:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: I linked it: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Known+Uploader+issues+with+Flash+10
[13:17:30 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: I'm on a call now
[13:17:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We'll probably rewrite this page at some point, for now I think it's good. I've also linked to a couple of emails describing the issues in depth.
[13:18:00 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark: thanks.
[14:20:40 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac, Justin_o, colinclark: looks like the Read Me is done.
[14:20:52 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Yay!!
[14:20:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: I'll take one last quick look
[14:20:54 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> all good with me tagging for 1.0?
[14:20:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> thanks for all your hard work
[14:21:02 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: OK
[14:22:58 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: should the line about progress say that it was previously part of the Uploader?
[14:23:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: In the What's New section?
[14:23:39 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: yep
[14:23:55 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> New preview component: Progress (previously part of the Uploader)
[14:24:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ?
[14:24:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> sure
[14:24:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i made one change and committed, so be sure to update
[14:31:15 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: I'd like to refer to the Upgrade Guides in the Release email, but I notice that most of them are stubs at this point. Do you think that they'll be far enough along that I can make reference to them?
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[14:37:38 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> OK, now I think that we're ready to tag!
[14:42:53 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: I'm starting the tagging process, going through the various POMs and build files etc
[14:43:08 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> just FYI, unless you have something that you want to add
[14:43:11 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran, excellent!
[14:43:13 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> nope, I'm good
[14:43:20 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> let me know if you need me to help with anything
[14:43:51 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: I don't know... for those I'm trying to get it to a point where the component leads can jump in and take over
[14:44:09 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I think the class name changes are going to be the hardest part to document
[14:45:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: just to double-check, it appears to me that I need to update the release version in pom.xml, project.xml, and build.properties
[14:45:17 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac checks...
[14:45:18 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> that's what the wiki says and I don't think that we've changed anything
[14:45:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Don't forget to update the Image Gallery while you're at it, if it isn't an inconvenience.
[14:45:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Not part of the release, be we sometimes forget.
[14:45:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I believe it's in web/pom.xml
[14:46:00 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: I have it on my list
[14:46:04 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> awesome
[14:46:22 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran, yes - those are the three files I know of
[14:48:18 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: great
[14:55:26 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: "Until further notice Fluid Infusion svn is not closed for business."
[14:55:27 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[14:55:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I think people get what you meant, though.
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[15:06:44 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran_> Justin_o, anastasiac, colinclark, jessm: The tag has been cut, the build is in https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/infusion/tags/fluid-1.0
[15:06:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran_: Excellent
[15:07:03 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran_> Justin_o: I guess we need to do some testing at this point
[15:07:06 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran, great! can I help wtih testing it?
[15:07:10 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran_: sounds good
[15:07:12 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran_: woot woot – we're 1.0d
[15:07:13 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> what should I do?
[15:08:34 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran_> Justin_o: what should we test at this point?
[15:08:48 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran_> or I should say, how can we help?
[15:09:24 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I have a testing page for the release package... i just have to do an update of the tasks... I should be done in one minute
[15:10:26 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran_> anastasiac and Justin_o: OK, I have to make a few changes to trunk to reopen it, and then I'll build some bundles off the new tagged 1.0
[15:10:36 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran_: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Release+Package+QA+Test++Plan
[15:10:59 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> that has the testing tasks... i didn't get a chance to update the directory structure mentioned there.. so i'll do that while you get the bundles ready
[15:11:02 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran, you may want to hold off on re-opening trunk until we've done at least a wee bit of testing of the tag
[15:11:04 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> just in case
[15:11:33 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran_> anastasiac: good point
[15:11:51 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> it has happened before that we've had to re-cut the tag
[15:12:11 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran_> anastasiac: I vaguely remember
[15:13:18 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran_: what is the fluid-all.js called now... is it infusion-all.js?
[15:13:51 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: InfusionAll.js
[15:13:54 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, yes, but capitalized
[15:13:59 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> isn't there a dash?
[15:14:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran_> no dash
[15:14:06 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Infusion-all.js?
[15:14:14 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> oh!!
[15:14:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I don't think so, but let me check
[15:14:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[15:14:20 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac needs to update some docs
[15:15:07 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran_> it's building!
[15:15:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: InfusionAll.js, no dash.
[15:15:45 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> cr**
[15:16:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> sorry
[15:16:16 EDT(-0400)] * colinclark sheepish
[15:16:29 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> oh, no! I got it right!
[15:16:35 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac pats herself on the back
[15:16:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[15:16:58 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac is sometimes smarter than she thinks
[15:17:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac is super smart all the time!
[15:17:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[15:17:20 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran_> anastasiac rocks, big time!
[15:19:42 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran_> anastasiac, Justin_o: Bundles are attached to this JIRA: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2550
[15:24:47 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> so Justin_o, elicochran: how do we sign up for these testing tasks? just change the assigned name to something? How do we know Justin_o isn't already doing something?
[15:25:29 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: yes... i'm going to remove my name from all of them... it is just there because i created them
[15:25:38 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I figured that
[15:26:13 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: okay.. my name should be gone now
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[15:41:02 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac & Justin_o: I'm giong to grab some food and then I'll test the war file
[15:41:53 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: okay
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[15:55:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran_: You back from lunch?
[15:55:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: ^
[15:55:43 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'm back ... eating but here
[15:55:51 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: ^
[15:56:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Cool
[15:56:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Okay, Justin_o has found an issue.
[15:56:26 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Sort of a big one, but we think it can be resolved fairly easily.
[15:56:29 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Here's a summary:
[15:56:34 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> listening
[15:56:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Our InlineEdit manual tests depend on TinyMCE and FCKEditor.
[15:56:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Both those editors accidentally were moved to the wrong location during restructuring.
[15:57:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> When we discovered this, we thought we'd be okay to leave them
[15:57:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> They're in our main lib/ directory.
[15:57:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Everything in that folder need to have a dependency declaration file in order to be included in the final release build.
[15:57:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> As a result, neither TinyMCE or FCK are copied into the release bundle, and the manual tests are broken.
[15:58:45 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> so we need a libDependencies.json file?
[15:58:51 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> The easiest way to fix these problems would be to just move TinyMCE and FCK into the lib/ folder of the manual tests.
[15:59:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> No, we'd need a TinyMCEDepedencies.json, for example.
[15:59:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But we don't really want to structure these as modules.
[15:59:11 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ah, that makes more sense
[15:59:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Neither Tiny nor FCK are dependencies of our system...
[15:59:36 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> only of our tests
[15:59:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> users can choose to use either one of them to integrate with our rich text editor... it's entirely their choice.
[15:59:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Exactly. We ship one demo that shows how they might do this integration.
[16:00:04 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> could the tests be made smarter?
[16:00:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: I don't think so, no. They're as smart as they can be, I think.
[16:00:40 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ok
[16:00:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We just need to help them out a bit by putting their own personal dependencies in the correct spot.
[16:01:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It is a good change anyway, since we don't want people thinking that they have to deploy TinyMCE just to get, say, the Uploader to work.
[16:01:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> If you know what I mean.
[16:01:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Is everything I'm saying correct?
[16:01:25 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> of course
[16:01:49 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark: yes, i did a quick check right now and it doesn't look like they are used anywhere else.
[16:01:58 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> but I'm still not sure what the right fix is for this release
[16:02:14 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: what else were you thinking of
[16:02:41 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> the other options i can think of is to remove the manual test, but it is our only example of rich-text-inline edit
[16:02:57 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: please reiterate our options!
[16:03:26 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: i'm going to open a bug for the issue that the rich-text-inline edit manual test is broken
[16:03:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 1. Do nothing. Ship with broken manual tests.
[16:03:46 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: thanks
[16:04:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 2. Create dependency files for Tiny and FCK. Ship them as part of the build, and by side effect have them mashed into InfusionAll.js and anyone's custom build. This is probably the worst scenario in my mind.
[16:05:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 3. Move Tiny and FCK from lib/ to tests/manual-tests/lib/ directory and update the InlineEdit manual test.
[16:05:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Options #2 and #3 require unfreezing trunk, making the change, quick tests, and cutting a new tag.
[16:05:56 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> seems that they would only get picked up by InfusionAll.js since none of the custom builds would declare them as dependencies, or am I missing something
[16:06:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: That's a possibility, yes.
[16:06:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Tiny and FCk would probably double or triple the size of InfusionAll.js
[16:06:42 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> that sucks
[16:06:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We'd be the first megabyte-size framework in history.
[16:06:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Option #1 is less painful, but we have been operating successfully under the "don't ship broken stuff" policy for awhile.
[16:07:01 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yay us! not
[16:07:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I vote for #3, but it is a bit of a setback.
[16:07:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But I'm open to #1 as well.
[16:07:32 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> it feels like those files ARE in the right place
[16:07:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I think they are in the wrong place at the moment.
[16:07:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> They're not top level dependencies in our framework.
[16:08:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> In other words, none of our framework will break if they are omitted.
[16:08:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o, anastasiac: thoughts?
[16:08:14 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> so they should be in an "optional" folder
[16:08:16 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ?
[16:08:28 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> they should be in a lib folder inside tests/manual-test
[16:08:31 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac2 is me right now
[16:08:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> they're a required dependency only for one of our manual tests
[16:09:07 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> but won't one or the other be a required dependency on rich inline edit
[16:09:26 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> for not on
[16:09:50 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: I think that the idea is that the integrator can use any editor they wish... these are just examples
[16:10:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> OK
[16:10:05 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac2> the rich text inline edit mode is not specific to any particular inline editor, it's configurable
[16:10:09 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> makes sense
[16:10:44 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> although I think that we'll want to ship examples using those editors at some time
[16:10:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Yep, and our code is written in a way that won't cause it to break if either of them are missing.
[16:10:55 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> that is a cool thing
[16:11:15 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'm just wondering if the tests should be written so they don't break if one or both are missing
[16:11:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: I don't that would make any sense.
[16:11:34 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> or perhaps it is acceptable that the tests break if one or both are missing
[16:11:39 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac2> well, they are tests of the use of these editors
[16:11:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> What would it be testing?
[16:11:49 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac2> so really, they should break if the editor isn't there
[16:11:50 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> They are really demonstration files.
[16:11:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: good point
[16:12:36 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I vote for option #1 with a JIRA written up against it for 1.1
[16:13:58 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac2> I think we should fix it now
[16:14:09 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran, colinclark, anastasiac : Since this is 1.0, i'd prefer to ship without throwing errors
[16:14:13 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i'd vote for #3
[16:14:18 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac2> but then, I have to leave the office at a fixed time to pick something up, so I wouldn't suffer the full brunt of the setback
[16:15:00 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> it is a localized change, so I think that the tests would be minimal
[16:16:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: It's totally localized. We'd need to test two things:
[16:16:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 1. quickly check that the build scripts weren't somehow weirdly impacted by the move
[16:16:27 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 2. check that the inline edit manual test was working after the move
[16:16:37 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 3. perhaps check regular inline edit just in case
[16:16:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Justin_o is running a little test now to make sure that it is as localized a change as we expect.
[16:17:24 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac2> so, on the topic of testing the bundle, what do I do if I find a weird, minor bug in the bundle that isn't in the separate-file version??
[16:17:30 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac2> Justin_o: ^
[16:17:33 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Well, lets go for it. The sooner the better.
[16:17:37 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac2: What is it?
[16:18:03 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac2> in the Pager site settings example, the page range tooltip is showing up visually under the other controls
[16:18:10 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac2> but only when I use InfusionAll
[16:18:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac2: You saw it!!
[16:18:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Yes!
[16:18:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It's the bgiframe issue!
[16:18:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[16:18:30 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> happy happy joy joy{color}
[16:18:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac2: If you'd read your Known Issues in the ReadMe....
[16:18:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> totally sucks, but one we're shipping wiht
[16:18:48 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac2> I saw the bgi frame issue
[16:18:59 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac2> didn't see the symptoms described
[16:19:04 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ah, but we didn't say what the ramifications
[16:19:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac2: doh, yes
[16:19:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we suck
[16:19:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i will update the jira
[16:19:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> at the time, we weren't certain it would happen
[16:22:30 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> it's in http://build.fluidproject.org/infusion/integration-demos/sakai/html/pager-site-setting.html
[16:22:39 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> colinclark: ^
[16:23:25 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran: I have to leave the office at 5pm (i.e. in 37 minutes) to pick something up, but I can be back online later this evening to help with more testing - I just can't to Windows testing from home
[16:23:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'll be around until the bitter end, so no worries.
[16:25:43 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: I have the rich-text editor issue working on a local machine
[16:26:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I updated FLUID-2575 with notes about the pager example
[16:26:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> glad you proved it for us, anastasiac
[16:27:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Justin's got it working, and the directory move is as simple as we think
[16:27:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> shall we go for it?
[16:28:59 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: yes
[16:29:11 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> consider the trunk open for this bug
[16:29:41 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: I should probably go delete the fluid-1.0 tag
[16:29:47 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: thanks... i'll committ and then you can verify it
[16:29:51 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac2>
[16:29:57 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> now, if I can remember how to do it
[16:31:13 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: what's the JIRA for this issue?
[16:31:47 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> FLUID-2579
[16:32:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: svn remove <url-to-tag>
[16:32:46 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I used svn delete...?!?! was that wrong!
[16:32:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> no, totally cool
[16:33:21 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> OK, panic'd there for a moment
[16:33:24 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> it looks right
[16:33:33 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran>
[16:34:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> delete is actually correct
[16:34:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i was totally wrong with remove
[16:34:29 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: i'm committing now, but I did it from my vista machine so it will be a bit of time
[16:34:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> four day weekend, here i come
[16:35:03 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: it is in
[16:35:39 EDT(-0400)] <sgithens342f> the next time things are frozen, you might want to run dos2unix or something over all the files in fluid_components. There seem to be a lot of mixed line endings.
[16:36:16 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: thanks
[16:36:22 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: np
[16:36:26 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> do you want to test the build or trunk?
[16:36:43 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> sgithens342f: you are so right!
[16:36:52 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: i think colin is looking at the build
[16:36:57 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'll add it to our release process
[16:37:00 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: thanks
[16:37:35 EDT(-0400)] * colinclark is just testing out and reviewing Justin_o's changes now.
[16:38:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o, elicochran: +1
[16:39:29 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o, sgithens342f: OK, it's part of the Release Process docs, now it should get done before code freeze for Fluid 1.1
[16:39:40 EDT(-0400)] <sgithens342f> awesome Megacheers!
[16:39:54 EDT(-0400)] <sgithens342f> My IDE and Text Editors thank you
[16:40:02 EDT(-0400)] <sgithens342f> collectively
[16:40:43 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> sgithens342f: I gotta ask, what IDE and Text Editors does the Githens use?
[16:42:52 EDT(-0400)] <sgithens342f> I use Eclipse, Komodo (yeah, I know lame since it's closed source, but at least they Open sourced some of their XUL components), Vim, and GEdit
[16:42:58 EDT(-0400)] <sgithens342f> depending on mood and task
[16:43:18 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> go, vim!
[16:43:51 EDT(-0400)] <sgithens342f> I've really been wanting to learn Emacs, but have been stalled ever since I found out how easy it is to write Vim plugins with Python
[16:44:05 EDT(-0400)] <sgithens342f> I always make it half way through the tutorial and then have to do something else
[16:45:27 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Ok, we're good to cut the new tag. Do you need a hand with it at all?
[16:45:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Or should I go back to documentation for the Queen.
[16:46:10 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: I'm good!
[16:46:13 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> go document
[16:47:08 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark: do you mind closing http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2579
[16:48:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: done
[16:48:48 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark: thanks
[16:48:59 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: let me know when the new bundles are ready, and I'll start testing again
[16:49:29 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: soon
[16:49:37 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay
[16:57:37 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: there here: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2550
[16:58:02 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: I just did a diff between trunk and the tag (for my own sanity) and it looks good
[16:58:27 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: good to hear... i'll jump into testing again
[16:58:40 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: thanks
[17:01:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm just in the midst of getting the daily build up and running with the new build scripts.
[17:08:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: We've got another one.
[17:09:03 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Fish and I really screwed up thinking through this issues earlier in the week.
[17:09:15 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: lay it on me, brother
[17:09:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Same sort of problem. The dropdown jQuery plugin isn't included in our builds.
[17:09:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It's located in lib/plugins, but has no dependency declaration.
[17:09:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Same sort of strategies.
[17:09:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 1. Leave it broken.
[17:09:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 2. Give it a dependency declaration (less of a bad thing, since it's not huge and we actually like it)
[17:10:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 3. Boot it to tests/manual-tests/lib alongside Tiny and FCK
[17:10:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> At this stage, I'm leaning towards #1 as the clock ticks away.
[17:10:38 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> oh, selectbox... I was confused for sec
[17:10:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But #2 or #3 would be fairly easy.
[17:10:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yeas, sorry
[17:10:54 EDT(-0400)] * colinclark feels really bad about this.
[17:11:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Stupid omissions.
[17:11:32 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> 1 or 2
[17:11:53 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> wait, what are the dependecies?
[17:12:24 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: ^
[17:12:28 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark, elicochran: I'm fine with any of the solutions... if you look at the build site right now you'll see the issue... it still looks like a combobox, but not a dropdown inline edit
[17:13:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Sorry?
[17:14:16 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: what is broken by not including it?
[17:14:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Just the dropdown inline edit manual test
[17:15:18 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> If Justin_o can keep testing, I can cut another tag.
[17:16:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> He's just stepped out real quick, but I'm sure he can.
[17:16:51 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: It does feel like we're close. I can keep going for another couple of hours.
[17:17:04 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I just don't know we can get it all tested by then
[17:17:24 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I can go through the test suite tomorrow, but you guys are off
[17:17:27 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> we're not
[17:17:28 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o's just on his way back to the keyboard
[17:17:28 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> we work
[17:18:17 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: colinclark i'll probably be around for another hour
[17:18:23 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i can keep testing till then
[17:19:09 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: assuming that I'm helping, do we have time to get this release tested with or with out a new tag, by the time that you have to leave?
[17:19:13 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> we doing ok here folks?
[17:19:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm just going to take a look and see how easy either of the options of #2 or #3 would be
[17:19:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jessm: Relatively speaking, quite well.
[17:19:34 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> cool
[17:19:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> All of the usual last minute fixes associated with brand spanking new builds scripts.
[17:19:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jessm: Not as smooth as we'd like.
[17:19:50 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Would you concur?
[17:19:53 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> relative meaning, we're finding problems now, not after the release!
[17:20:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> lol
[17:20:05 EDT(-0400)] <jessm>
[17:20:16 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> so yes, doing well
[17:20:21 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> how can i help? i'll read your email elicochran and add something about what next – how's that?
[17:20:36 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: yes, please!
[17:20:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jessm: Totally cool
[17:20:46 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: i don't think we can finish before I leave
[17:20:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> other than that, maybe some gatorade
[17:21:03 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: that's what I thought
[17:21:32 EDT(-0400)] * jessm passes around Gatorade and towels – red, yellow, and green gatorade – drink up!
[17:21:45 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> dibs on the red
[17:22:33 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: question now is do we launch on Tuesday, or do I complete the tests with out Justin tomorrow and launch on my own... which I guess I'm OK doing, but it's a risk, especially if something else comes up
[17:22:45 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> oh god, something is horribly wrong with our website
[17:22:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jessm: Oh dera
[17:23:01 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> did our release just break our website?
[17:23:04 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> lol
[17:23:05 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> crap
[17:23:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jessm: Umm, kinda
[17:23:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> This would be my fault.
[17:23:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Sorta.
[17:23:22 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> what's up?
[17:23:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I can only do one thing at a time, so release issue first
[17:26:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok, here we go
[17:26:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Can you fill in for me and see about a solution for the dropdown issue?
[17:26:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jessm: I will see if I can get our daily build working properly
[17:26:55 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> sure... on it
[17:27:15 EDT(-0400)] * jessm passes Skittles to Justin_o and colinclark
[17:27:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[17:29:39 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: I'm going to test moving the selectbox into manual-tests lib folder
[17:29:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: I'll answer your question once the immediate issues are cleared up. Then we can make the strategy decision.
[17:30:04 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o, colinclark: anything that I can do to help at this point?
[17:30:30 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: i should be done in a couple of minutes and then you can verify the fix
[17:30:53 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: cool
[17:34:09 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran: the more i think of it, the more i think the email should go out as is
[17:34:18 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran: here is what i'm thinking...
[17:34:51 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> this is a special occasion for us, but the community that uses 1.0 should see it as a stepping stone to more of the same – which is what we'll deliver – what do you think?
[17:35:39 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: that makes sense
[17:37:40 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: i'm going to commit the fix for the selectbox... is that okay with you?
[17:37:58 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: yep, good with me
[17:38:01 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> or dropdown inlineEdit i should say
[17:38:03 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay... thanks
[17:39:42 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: it's in if you want to take a look
[17:39:52 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2580
[17:39:55 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: thanks.
[17:39:58 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> that's the jira for it
[17:43:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> http://fluidproject.org/
[17:43:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jessm: Is it working for you?
[17:43:59 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> colinclark: roger Roger
[17:44:17 EDT(-0400)] * colinclark breathes a sigh of relief.
[17:44:32 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> way to go dood
[17:44:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So we're in a bit of a holding pattern with our daily build.
[17:45:46 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: so the tests work...
[17:45:54 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I think it gets a pass!
[17:46:14 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: that's good news
[17:46:56 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> colinclark: daily build it reverted or is 1.0?
[17:48:25 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: can you close FLUID-2580 for me, if all your tests are done...
[17:49:00 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: yep
[17:49:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jessm: I had to revert it back to the sort of jerry-rigged thing we have now.
[17:50:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Once we cut and post 1.0, I'll update the website to link against a production version of our code.
[17:50:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So I think all of this stems from our experiments with UI Options in the website.
[17:51:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> What we could have done different is to have created a pre-1.0 build specifically for the website.
[17:51:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> At the moment, we have a tight coupling between our daily build and our site... if the build doesn't work for any reason, the site goes with it.
[17:51:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Easy to fix.
[17:53:23 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o, colinclark: so it looks like I should tag again... everyone cool?
[17:54:20 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: yep
[17:54:47 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran, colinclark: I should be able to stay for another hour, so I can keep on testing
[17:55:36 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: You were able to confirm Justin_o's fix for the dropdown?
[17:56:08 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: yes, I was, I did... somethign like that
[17:56:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: cut away
[17:57:31 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> cuttin
[18:01:27 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Found another minor one, but there's no way I'm going to touch this one.
[18:01:38 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: >
[18:01:41 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ?
[18:01:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We're building our zip file as fluid-1.0.zip
[18:01:50 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> but it should be infusion-1.0.zip
[18:02:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> doh
[18:02:08 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ah, that is true
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[18:02:47 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: wouldn't be hard to change build.xml
[18:02:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: I'd be happy to
[18:03:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> but, you know, it would mean cutting yet another tag
[18:03:03 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[18:03:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> it would
[18:03:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> tagging is so trivial
[18:03:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> but it's up to you
[18:03:30 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> it's the deleting the old, running the scripts... blah, blah, blah
[18:03:41 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> one_last_push?
[18:03:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[18:03:50 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> would there be any ANY repercussions that we can think of?
[18:03:59 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> great question!
[18:04:03 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> we'd need to change any links to the files
[18:04:04 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Repercussions to renaming?
[18:04:13 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> in the wiki and web site
[18:04:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: really, just the download page
[18:04:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yep
[18:04:24 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: probably
[18:04:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Have you created those pages already?
[18:04:48 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: are you in on this discussion?
[18:04:55 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes... i am here
[18:05:09 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: it's a copy and paste job so I just have to be careful when I do that
[18:05:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> this is all so funny... this is really the release where our process is so wickedly refined
[18:05:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> but the super-subtle details in the new build scripts have thrown us
[18:05:51 EDT(-0400)] * colinclark is a bit embarrassed. But this release will rock.
[18:06:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> READMe has to change!
[18:06:31 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: i think those are all minor enough... if we don't change the name now... i don't think we will be able to in the future... or not until 2.0 anyways
[18:07:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We probably can change it whenever, but as we dive into other "fluid-*" projects, a fresh new name seems nice
[18:07:26 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> for 1.0
[18:07:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Your call at this point.
[18:08:08 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark, Justin_o, jessm: I'm fine... OK, I'm a bit nervious, I'm looking for other references
[18:09:46 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> OK, in the source tree, it only shows up in build.xml and the ReadMe.txt file
[18:10:02 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> OK, I'll change the ReadMe.txt file, and the build.xml, Justin_o will you write this up as a bug?
[18:10:19 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: sure
[18:10:22 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> will do
[18:10:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Line 28 in build.xml
[18:11:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: yep, got it
[18:11:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Leave line 34 the same.
[18:11:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We chose not to update the war file's maven dependency name yet, since we haven't yet determined a good strategy for doing so.
[18:11:54 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2581
[18:11:59 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yep
[18:12:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It will stay with the fluid-components name for now. I think there's probably a way to manage backwards compatibility, but I don't quite have my head around it yet.
[18:14:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Can you sneak in one more change for me, which I have tested
[18:14:32 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yeeees?
[18:14:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> line 130 of build.xml
[18:14:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> in copyInfusionWARFiles
[18:14:51 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> you see that path
[18:14:58 EDT(-0400)]

[18:15:00 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yep
[18:15:09 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> bug which caused our build site to explode
[18:15:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> this will make the war file we create with ant identical to the one created with mvn
[18:15:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> and thus will save users from hating us
[18:15:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[18:15:46 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> image-gallery uses the maven one right?
[18:15:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> correct
[18:15:56 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> OK
[18:15:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> so no impact there
[18:16:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: you're taking responsability for that one
[18:16:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: it's mine
[18:16:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[18:16:18 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> damn, I wish I hadn't already committed
[18:17:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: want me to file a jira about it
[18:17:06 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ?
[18:17:09 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: the commits are in, would you be a dear and check them for me before I cut?
[18:17:13 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> well, I just did it
[18:17:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> of course
[18:17:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> thanks dude
[18:17:18 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> 4th time's the charm
[18:17:26 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> getting sloppy in tiredness
[18:17:35 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> elicochran: colinclark Justin_o: y'all are superheroes
[18:17:37 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'm going to take 5
[18:17:39 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> brb
[18:17:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> lol
[18:17:55 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i'm just glad there is a long weekend coming up
[18:18:24 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> me too
[18:18:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: eek
[18:19:04 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We lost a close copy tag there in your commit
[18:19:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> will fix
[18:20:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> testing now
[18:26:29 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: +1
[18:26:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we're ready to go
[18:26:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> again
[18:26:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[18:27:48 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: "lost a close copy tag"... I don't understand?
[18:28:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I don't either
[18:28:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> the </copy> tag got shaved off
[18:28:09 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fixed, though
[18:28:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i tested it
[18:28:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> builds
[18:28:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> good namesw
[18:28:22 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> whoa
[18:28:24 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> you're right
[18:28:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we rule
[18:28:32 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> typo
[18:28:36 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> crap
[18:28:44 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> OK. I'll grab the latest
[18:29:47 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark, Justin_o: cutting again
[18:30:47 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> deleting old 1.0 tag
[18:31:28 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> checking out fresh trunk
[18:31:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> awesome
[18:31:56 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> testing the build scripts
[18:32:08 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> maven clean install
[18:32:18 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> build successful
[18:32:38 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> woot woot
[18:32:39 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> checking out the build, quick look
[18:32:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[18:33:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> OK, cutting the tag again
[18:33:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> wicked
[18:33:57 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> svn copy fluid-1.0 https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/infusion/tags/fluid-1.0 -m "FLUID-2551, FLUID-2581 Cutting Fluid 1.0 Release attempt 4"
[18:34:14 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> OK, we have a tag
[18:34:24 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> checking out from the tag
[18:35:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: For next time, Justin_o and I are cooking up a plan for avoiding this whole tag-cut-test-do it again cycle in case of last minute mistakes.
[18:35:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I think it should be possible to lock the repo and then test and cut the release against trunk.
[18:35:46 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: that would be a goodness
[18:35:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Cutting the tag as the very last step in the game.
[18:36:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yes
[18:36:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Anyway, 1.1 will be the painless release. Now that the scripts have stabilized
[18:36:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> right?
[18:36:30 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yes
[18:36:37 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> building the bundle now
[18:36:46 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> wrt announce emails and website – do y'all need help with that?
[18:37:43 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> jessm: I think that we're good. Cant' really make changes to the web site until the Release is final and we need some more testing before we there
[18:37:57 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ok
[18:37:58 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> cool
[18:37:59 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ooo, look infusion-1.0.zip files!
[18:38:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[18:39:54 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark, and Justin_o: I'm posting the files to the JIRA now
[18:39:54 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2550
[18:39:58 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> they're there
[18:40:02 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> starting a diff
[18:40:13 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: thanks
[18:40:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran, Justin_o: I'll take over for Anastasia's IE testing tasks since she's gone.
[18:40:59 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: You're very welcome. Thanks for hanging around
[18:41:49 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> np
[18:45:04 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> is that it? are we at 1.0 now?
[18:46:02 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jessm: we are continuing on with testing
[18:46:54 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> gotcha
[18:47:04 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> well, y'all this is amazing – thanks to you all
[18:47:12 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i'm going to head out and have a vacation now
[18:47:18 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> see ya on Tuesday
[18:47:21 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jessm: enjoy your vacation
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[18:50:48 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran, colinclark, Justin_o: how are things going with the release?
[18:50:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac:
[18:50:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> oh you know
[18:51:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we cut a few more tags
[18:51:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fixed a few more last minute bugs
[18:51:11 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> oh dear...
[18:51:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we're pretty much at the place we were at before you left
[18:51:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[18:51:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> it's fine
[18:51:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we're all enjoying it
[18:51:26 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we are testing the release
[18:51:33 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> oh, sounds like fun!
[18:51:39 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> can I help?
[18:51:48 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: sure... thanks for offering
[18:52:03 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> do you mind working on the mac tests
[18:52:09 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> np
[18:52:16 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Release+Package+QA+Test++Plan
[18:52:31 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> and what was the JIRA that the bundles are attached to, again?
[18:52:47 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> FLUID-2550
[18:53:02 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> cool, thanks!
[18:57:55 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin: I checked the structure matches task by accident, even though it had your name but it
[18:57:59 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> but I did check it
[18:58:03 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I mean test it
[19:01:24 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: ^
[19:01:35 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: Pager tests with InfusionAll.js
[19:01:51 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay... so y ou are done that one
[19:02:00 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yep
[19:02:13 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I just need to test it against the browser listed, correct?
[19:02:23 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes... that's correct
[19:02:41 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i'm going to do the vista IE7 task... and then call it a night
[19:03:58 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: I missed this part about the Sakai mockup, so I'll do that
[19:04:18 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: what's your feeling about when we should release?
[19:04:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: good question. I'm just testing now and things look pretty good
[19:04:36 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Tuesday with Justin_o's sign off or tomorrow
[19:04:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> what else is on your list after everything checks out?
[19:05:30 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> the next thing is actually releasing it into the wild (which I guess we've done just no one knows) and then updating all the pages in the wiki
[19:05:51 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> the web site will probably have to wait
[19:06:04 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I haven't worked on it and I don't want to break anything
[19:06:08 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran, colinclark: I'm happy to release when the testing is done...
[19:06:36 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: That's fine.
[19:06:38 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: after that there is just house keeping
[19:06:50 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I think we can go ahead
[19:06:53 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> setting up the next release, changing the trunk to 1.1
[19:07:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> When you say the web site will have to wait, do you mean the downloads page?
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[19:07:23 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: and any references to 0.8
[19:07:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: I've got about another hour to go
[19:07:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I could help with the website
[19:07:53 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> that would be cool
[19:07:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> or give you the admin details to work on it tomorrow if you want
[19:08:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> it's very straightforward
[19:08:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'm just wondering when we'll be done testing
[19:08:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i'm cruising along here
[19:08:21 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran, Justin_o: question about the tinymce stuff
[19:08:30 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> me too
[19:08:32 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> there's file in components/inlineEdit/js/ called jquery.tinymce.js
[19:08:46 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> should that not be in InfusionAll.js?
[19:09:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac:
[19:10:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Nope
[19:10:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> definitely not
[19:10:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> that is a source of confusion
[19:10:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> in fact, about a month ago, you and i and elicochran went through the same question
[19:10:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> it's my dumb bug
[19:10:29 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok, well at least it's not a bug that it's not included
[19:10:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> causing us to not be able to include jquery.tinymce in InfusionAll.js
[19:10:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[19:10:47 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: the sakai pager-site-setting is failing right out of the box
[19:11:03 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Access to restricted URI denied" code: "1012
[19:11:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: FF3?
[19:11:16 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> FF3, yes
[19:11:23 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> is there somethign that I need to do?
[19:11:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: I think that's expected... lemme check
[19:11:39 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> looks like a security setting
[19:13:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Yep, that's the FF3 local Ajax issue
[19:13:28 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> FF3 got pretty restrictive about how you can do Ajax against the file systme
[19:13:38 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: should I run that through a local server to test?
[19:13:44 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> or should I move on?
[19:13:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Or just try it in FF2 instead
[19:13:53 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> cool
[19:13:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> There is a way to change your settings, but I have not bothered
[19:14:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> in part, so when other people face it, we haven't all forgotten about it
[19:14:22 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> that did it!
[19:18:29 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: OK, now I'm really done with Page on FF2/3 on Mac OS X
[19:19:58 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: I'm taking uploader now in FF3/Mac
[19:24:29 EDT(-0400)] * colinclark is proving to Justin_o how much he sucks at testing.
[19:24:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> nearly gave him a heart attack
[19:24:47 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o, colinclark: progressive enhancement doesn't seem to be working with the Uploader when I switch to InfusionAll.js
[19:24:50 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> it was good exercise to run around the table though
[19:24:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: That is correct.
[19:25:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> it is!?!
[19:25:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> You also need to include progressive-enhancement.js or whatever it is called.
[19:25:15 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ah
[19:25:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> At the moment, progressive enhancement is "Active"--it runs on page load.
[19:25:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So it has to be included.
[19:25:34 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> of course
[19:25:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It's not good; jacob and I talked about how to fix it
[19:25:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But again, too late in the game
[19:25:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It would be harmless when included in a page, but it just didn't feel write to do it.
[19:26:06 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So if you want prog enhance, you need to add a second file
[19:26:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> lae
[19:26:09 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> lame
[19:26:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> sorry
[19:26:15 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> that did it
[19:26:16 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, elicochran: There are no more mac-related tests on the list.
[19:26:23 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> is there anything else I can do?
[19:26:29 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: is that written up as a bug?
[19:26:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: I really don't know.
[19:26:43 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ok, maybe it's not a bug, but we need to document it
[19:26:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: You could file that as a bug
[19:27:06 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac has to catch up to find out what needs filing
[19:28:29 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> colinclark, elicochran: you want me to file a JIRA that you need to include the prog enh js file in addition to InfusionAll.js?
[19:28:30 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: now I feel like a crummy tester... I should have noticed that when I was testing dependencies for the custom uploader build
[19:28:57 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: yes, assign it to me, and that will at least remind me to put it into the Uploader docs
[19:29:06 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Don't worry. You're a pro tester. You've just had a long day
[19:29:09 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> k
[19:29:49 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: I still want to know what you did to enrage the King, but not now, there is work to do
[19:30:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> lol
[19:31:37 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> so just to clarify the nature of the bug/issue: it's that the file is needed? it's not that the core dependencies json file neglects to mention it?
[19:31:48 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran, colinclark: ^
[19:32:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: The file is required for uploader to progressively enhance the uploader.
[19:32:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Like jquery.tinymce.js, it contains code that is run upon being parsed.
[19:33:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So it is intentionally not included in InfusionAll.js until we come up with a better scheme.
[19:33:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> or decide that this works as intended.
[19:33:48 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ah, ok. I think I get it...
[19:38:44 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: well, I found an Uploader bug but it doesn't have anything to do with the build... it just that I can't seem to select files with the keyboard after stopping upload. Works fine before. Just a bug!
[19:39:36 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok, filed. What else can I do, elicochran, Justin_o, colinclark?
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[19:40:29 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: did you do this one yet (Source (Fluid-all.js) - uploader (Mac OS 10.5 FF3))
[19:40:39 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> no - eli signed up for that one
[19:41:08 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> and if you said anything else to me, I may have missed it - my wireless went down for a moment and I was disconnected
[19:45:50 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm one test away from being done on IE
[19:45:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: you didn't miss anything
[19:46:43 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> so - is there anything else I can help with?
[19:46:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: I just hit the prog enhance bug too
[19:46:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> totally sucks
[19:47:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i don't have an immediate solution in mind, except to ask people to make an explicit function invocation in their head, which seems sort of lame.
[19:47:25 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: nope... i think that has it covered... elicochran and colinclark are on the last two testing tasks
[19:47:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> <script>progressiveEnhance.init()</script>
[19:47:42 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i don't know if elicochran needs help with anything else release releated, but the testing should be done
[19:47:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: You could probably help with the website, real quick
[19:48:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> if nothing else than to quickly explain to eli how to set up the release download page
[19:48:18 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: would you like to reopen the trunk by changing all the versions to 1.1-SNAPSHOT?
[19:48:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> and give him the coordinates over some reasonably secure channel
[19:48:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> another thing would be to post the zip files, since it's looking pretty likely that this one will fly
[19:48:47 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'm feeling pretty confident at this point!
[19:48:52 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> sure - I could set the page up, if you like
[19:49:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: go for it!
[19:49:19 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: colinclark anastasiac : the testing is almost done and nothing else has come up, i think we're pretty much in the clear
[19:49:46 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran, do you want me to set the versions, too? or just worry about the site?
[19:49:59 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: do the site!
[19:50:07 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I can handle the versions
[19:50:22 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok - I'll grab the bundles off the JIRA and upload them
[19:50:44 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: what's your feeling about the boundary tests for Release QA?
[19:51:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: What OS are you running?
[19:51:43 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> 10.5
[19:51:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We found problems with the built-in zip on 10.5
[19:51:48 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> hmm... i think it should be okay... we have already gone through an exhaustive test of the code, the release tests are here to make sure that all the code was included properly
[19:51:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i wonder if there is some other utility we could use?
[19:52:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> you can try it and see
[19:52:07 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: ^ three lines
[19:52:10 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> well, I wasn't planning to zip or unzip anything, just move the zip files around
[19:52:22 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: OK, I think that I'm done with Uploader
[19:52:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> but when i exploded the zip file on the server for our demos and the like, it seemed to explode all kinds of crufty . directories alongside it
[19:52:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Don't we have to unzip stuff to link the demos properly?
[19:52:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Or does that happen later?
[19:52:52 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ah! right - the links...
[19:52:56 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I can unzip it on the server
[19:53:03 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> if I can remember the server password
[19:53:27 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: that's good i think we're in good shape
[19:53:47 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> colinclark, do you know the password, and if so, do you want to call me at home to give it to me?
[19:53:50 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: sure
[19:53:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> which server again?
[19:54:00 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> 416-923-9674
[19:54:13 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> is someone testing Minified (Fluid-all.js) - uploader (Win XP IE 6)?
[19:54:33 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: colinclark is doing that one
[19:54:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: I'm doing it in IE 7, which justin says is close enough
[19:54:55 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: great
[19:55:24 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark, elicochran, anastasiac : thanks for all of the help with testing... i'm going to be heading home now.. any last minute questions
[19:56:01 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark, Justin_o , anastasiac: I'm going to go ahead and set up trunk for the next release
[19:56:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: thanks!
[19:56:23 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: have a great long weekend
[19:56:31 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: thanks... good luck with the release...
[19:56:37 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: have a great long weekend
[19:56:37 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> thanks
[19:56:40 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> thanks!
[19:59:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Okay, I've checked off all my testing tasks. This build is a good one.
[19:59:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> now what can i do?
[20:00:08 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: hmm
[20:00:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So I'm thinking we'll do a kind of "phased release" with 1.0...
[20:00:19 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> have you had a look at my release email?
[20:00:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we'll cut it and announce as we usually do
[20:00:29 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> phased?
[20:00:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> take a little while longer to improve our documentation
[20:00:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> and then announce it to a wider audience
[20:00:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ie. ajaxian and the like
[20:00:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i'll look at your email now
[20:01:08 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> OK, so who will be in the first round? Fluid-work and talk
[20:01:15 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> or also Sakai and JASIG?
[20:01:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: all yours if you want
[20:01:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we can do the same as last time
[20:01:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i can help with jasig-ue
[20:01:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i assume uyou'll do that stuff tomorrow?
[20:01:42 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'm now a real member of that list
[20:01:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok
[20:02:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I was going to do it now if the web site is ready and when you sign off on the email
[20:02:46 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: do you think it's safe doing a global search and replace for fluid_1_0?
[20:02:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: in the repo?
[20:03:09 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yep to fluid_1_1
[20:03:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i think so, yes
[20:03:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> should be fine
[20:03:22 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> should be...
[20:03:41 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I can't think why we'd use that particular string in any other context
[20:04:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: super minor edits to the announce
[20:04:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i agree with jess that it's awesome as-is
[20:05:17 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: OK, send it back to me with your edits
[20:05:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i'm just going to tweak the "Help us build..." section. It probably should have been rewritten awhile ago to reflect our growth
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[20:24:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Sent you my edits.
[20:24:35 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: got it
[20:25:40 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac_: how are you doing?
[20:26:04 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> well - converting out list of known issues to html for the web page
[20:26:09 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> tedious, but done
[20:26:13 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> just double-checking now
[20:26:19 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> the bundles are uploaded
[20:26:22 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: 'final' - gone!
[20:26:29 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> just need to update any links to them
[20:26:29 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[20:27:58 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> k - downloads page is updated
[20:28:18 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> anyone want to double-check the links on it? colinclark, elicochran?
[20:28:24 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: great edits. incorporating
[20:29:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac_: I'll take a look
[20:30:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: I feel like I should bold the headlines in the email
[20:32:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: I like plain text myself
[20:32:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[20:32:52 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac_: the page looks great
[20:32:56 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: OK, fine
[20:34:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac_: The download links still point to fluid-zip
[20:34:42 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> ah, ok - I'll fix that
[20:35:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I think you can get rid of the "This release includes"
[20:35:40 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> colinclark - fixed
[20:35:43 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> but the tag name is fluid?
[20:37:18 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: I'm ready to send this email as soon as the download page is ready.
[20:37:50 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac_: Yeah, the tag is fluid. we'll have to fix that one next time.
[20:38:38 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> the tag?
[20:38:47 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> elicochran, I think the downloads page is ready - I fixed the zip links
[20:39:26 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac_: the links have changed but the text still says " fluid-1.0.zip"
[20:39:42 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ah, just for the first one
[20:40:00 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> but the link is wrong for the second one
[20:40:07 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> boy, we are all tired!
[20:40:12 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac_: ^
[20:40:19 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> <sigh> fixed - again
[20:40:21 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_>
[20:40:45 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac_: got it
[20:40:58 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark and anastasiac_ : I think that we're good to go!
[20:41:23 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Bosmo1 is here too!
[20:41:38 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> would you all like to virtually push the Send button with me?
[20:42:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran:
[20:42:45 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> sent!
[20:44:06 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> everything looks great
[20:44:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> thanks everyone!
[20:44:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran and anastasiac_ Special thanks to you for sticking out until the bitter end.
[20:44:26 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Amazing work.
[20:44:41 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> well, it's only 5:44 here!
[20:44:47 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> thanks to you two!
[20:44:55 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> tomorrow I'll update JIRA
[20:45:46 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac_: what needs to get done to update the demos on the web site?
[20:46:17 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> elicochran: I'm on it right now
[20:46:25 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> oh, great!
[20:46:28 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> cool
[20:47:29 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> elicochran, I've just updated the page - you could help test the links...
[20:47:40 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac_: will do
[20:49:15 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac_: http://www.fluidproject.org/releases/1.0/integration-demos/uportal/portal.html
[20:49:20 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> 404 not found
[20:49:32 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> thanks
[20:50:04 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> fixed
[20:50:22 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac_: http://www.fluidproject.org/releases/1.0/standalone-demos/pager/html/site_setting_members.html
[20:50:25 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> same deal
[20:50:42 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> hm - checking
[20:51:52 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac_: http://www.fluidproject.org/releases/1.0/integration-examples/uportal/html/portal.html
[20:51:55 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> same
[20:52:20 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> the site-setting one, what is the text of the url?
[20:52:55 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> http://www.fluidproject.org/releases/1.0/standalone-demos/pager/html/site_setting_members.html
[20:52:58 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> doh!
[20:53:02 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> demos, not examples!
[20:53:13 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> http://www.fluidproject.org/releases/1.0/standalone-demos/pager/html/site_setting_members.html Sakai Site Settings
[20:53:27 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> ok, I think they're fixed - have another try
[20:53:31 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> when I drag the text into IRC it expands it to the link
[20:54:40 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> k
[20:54:51 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> still getting a 404 for Sakai Site Settings
[20:54:57 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> ok, the demos might could probably use a wee bit of reorganization, but that can wait
[20:55:03 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> k, I'll check the site settings one
[20:55:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> http://www.fluidproject.org/releases/1.0/standalone-demos/pager/html/site_setting_members.html
[20:55:35 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> http://www.fluidproject.org/releases/1.0/standalone-demos/quick-start-examples/html/LayoutReorderer.html
[20:55:56 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> 404 error for Reorderer, demonstrating lists, grids and tabs
[20:56:51 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac_: the rest look good
[20:57:01 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> ok, try that one again
[20:57:09 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac_: which one?
[20:57:15 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> sorry - site settings
[20:57:45 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac_: that did it for site settings!
[20:58:54 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> ok, I think they're all done
[20:58:59 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> at least, the ones I know about
[20:59:32 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac_: still getting a 404 for the Reorderer link
[20:59:38 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> 1st one
[20:59:55 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> http://www.fluidproject.org/releases/1.0/standalone-demos/quick-start-examples/html/Reorderer.html
[20:59:56 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> oh!
[21:00:20 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> got it
[21:00:30 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> thanks so much for your patience!
[21:00:44 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> I guess I'm getting a bit tired, and my attention to detail is wavering
[21:01:00 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> me too!
[21:01:10 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> that did it
[21:01:15 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> you must be hungry
[21:01:22 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'm OK
[21:01:34 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> ok, so what's next?
[21:01:56 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> well, all that's left is the Wiki and JIRA
[21:02:04 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I was going to do JIRA tomorrow
[21:02:25 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> cool
[21:02:31 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> the wiki - that's the release page, right?
[21:02:37 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Downloads+and+Demos
[21:02:40 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I can do that now
[21:02:57 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> ah, right
[21:03:01 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> there's not so much to do there
[21:03:03 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac_: It's getting late
[21:03:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> are you ready to sign off
[21:03:13 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> yes, I think so
[21:03:18 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> you should be too!
[21:03:22 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> there are also these pages http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Project+Coordination
[21:03:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yeah, i'm on my way out
[21:03:29 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> but I think that they can wait until tomorrow
[21:03:33 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> so go home guys!
[21:03:40 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Have a great holiday
[21:03:56 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> have a lovely long weekend!
[21:04:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: you rule thanks again
[21:04:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac_: so do you
[21:04:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> have a good little holiday
[21:04:32 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> excellent job, guys!
[21:04:43 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> colinclark, enjoy your extra-long weekend!!
[21:04:43 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> much thanks to my stalwarts!
[21:04:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[21:04:58 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ooo, I got to use the word stalwart!
[21:05:03 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_>
[21:05:08 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> on that note...
[21:05:12 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac_> g'nite!
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