fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-04-08

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[10:11:33 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> anyone touching the Readme file?
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[10:18:33 EDT(-0400)] <athena> michelled: i tested out the build scripts again last night
[10:18:36 EDT(-0400)] <athena> it's looking great
[10:18:58 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks athena! so, the resulting javascript file worked for you then?
[10:19:05 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah it looks great
[10:19:12 EDT(-0400)] <athena> really easy to generate
[10:19:16 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> awesome
[10:19:20 EDT(-0400)] <athena> it'll make testing upcoming versions a lot easier, too!
[10:19:40 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes, we really needed this. I'm glad it's going to help you
[10:19:45 EDT(-0400)] <athena> definitely
[10:20:16 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> michelled: I was going to work on the readme
[10:20:26 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> but I have some questions about it
[10:20:53 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> fj4000: if you haven't started yet can you hang on a few minutes and I'll commit my changes?
[10:21:14 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> sure thing
[10:21:19 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> actually, I was wondering
[10:21:49 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> how do the "known issues" play out, exactly
[10:21:56 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I have several known issue jiras
[10:22:03 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> are they ALL included?
[10:22:10 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> no
[10:22:19 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> it's only major ones that you want to highlight.
[10:22:31 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> stuff people are going to bump into or really nasty ones
[10:22:33 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok, so it has to have "major" as a status
[10:22:41 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> no
[10:23:04 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> then is it up to me to decide what is "major" ?
[10:23:10 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes
[10:23:15 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> hmm
[10:24:21 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> we don't want to overwhelm and of course the whole list is in JIRA anyway
[10:25:05 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> well....isnt that why there are jira priorities?
[10:25:15 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> a one to one correlation, if you will
[10:25:56 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> fj4000: I think what michelled means is that by the jira issue being marked as major doesn't automatically mean that it should be in the readme
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[10:26:26 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> im suggesting we should keep a correlation, or some sort of designation if possible
[10:26:37 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> so that we can say for ppl in the future
[10:26:52 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> this is how you pick a known issue - just sort jira like X
[10:27:03 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> or filter it or whatever
[10:27:51 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> fj4000 I don't think we can easily do that. it may be a blocker, it may be critical, it may be major. And lots of major issues should not be listed
[10:28:25 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> we could say all blocker and critical things. and update the issues accordingly
[10:28:30 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yeah, I agree, it would be too many.....which is why I would think only the blockers + criticals be known issues
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[10:28:40 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ^
[10:29:00 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> the task for a component lead/contact is to go through all the issues for their component and create a short list of important things to communicate
[10:29:09 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I see
[10:29:31 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> feel free to change their priorities accordingly while you're going through them
[10:30:35 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> michelled: could you ping the channel when your done with the file?
[10:30:41 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ah, I meant to
[10:30:43 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> michelled: for the upgrading page, is it necessary to include undo, progress, and table of contents
[10:30:44 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes, I'm done
[10:31:11 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I don't know. undo maybe. toc is still in preview so don't worry about it
[10:31:22 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> it's part of uiOptions as far as users should be concerned
[10:31:28 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay...
[10:32:20 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> for undo i think there was talk about wether it is a component or a feature of the framework... i'm dividing the the pieces up by framework or component... any idea where it should be... it is in the component directory in svn... so maybe it should just be there in the documentation too
[10:36:00 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> probably it makes more sense in the framework features section
[10:36:12 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay thanks
[10:36:21 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> technically it's a component but realistically people will think of it as part of the framework
[10:36:29 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> it supports components and can't be used on its own
[10:37:06 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay... thanks....
[10:40:10 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> okay, just a heads up Im working on the readme file, if no one else is
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[10:41:49 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> fj4000: are you working on the 'What in the release' section? or should I?
[10:42:22 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> you could - im just working on the known issues at the moment
[10:42:51 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> svn is smart enough to know how to combine our changes, right?
[10:43:58 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ya, just remember to update
[10:49:35 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: to answer you in channel: Just the glaring ones! The ones mostly likely to trip someone up or cause them to do the proverbial "WTF!?!"
[10:49:42 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> michelled: ok, I committed my changes
[10:49:54 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> elicochran: thanks
[11:08:46 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: Are we officially done with Uploader testing. I'm not too worried about Flash 10 (Opera 9.6 - Mac OS 10.5), Uploader - Flash 9 (IE8 - Win Vista), and Uploader - Flash 10 (IE8 - Win Vista)
[11:09:03 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I know that I should be... but I just can't muster the worry
[11:10:20 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: i think we're fine
[11:10:28 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> cool, thanks
[11:10:49 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> so, is testing done then? are we just on to release tasks?
[11:11:04 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> are you ready to test bundles whenever we're ready to build them?
[11:11:07 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> michelled: yep should all be finished
[11:11:42 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: sure... I can help wherever you need me... right now I'm starting the upgrade to infusion 1.0 page
[11:11:59 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: that is important too!
[11:12:13 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> OK, let me get my bearings here and figure out what to do next
[11:12:39 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: sure.... no problem
[11:13:21 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I think the readme needs to be finalized (I know I have a bit to do for that) and then we are on to packaging
[11:13:44 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> there is a general part of the readme that talks about the structure of the package
[11:13:52 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> since that's all changed we need to update it.
[11:13:58 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> any takers?
[11:15:34 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: do you have any What's New-s for the FSS system for 1.0?
[11:19:33 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I will have to check
[11:19:42 EDT(-0400)] * fj4000 goes jira hunting
[11:20:16 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok, elicochran, I can add a few for sure
[11:20:31 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: thanks
[11:21:09 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> fj4000: did the names of the FSS's css files change?
[11:21:30 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> Justin_o: shouldnt have since the Big Change
[11:21:38 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i mean since 0.8
[11:21:46 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yes, of course
[11:21:55 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> is it missing in the readme?
[11:22:27 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> fj4000: i'm doing something else... what did it used to look like... for example fss-layout.css
[11:22:59 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I think that file used to be fluid.layout.css, then changed to fss-layout.css
[11:23:12 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> is something wrong?
[11:23:32 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> no... i'm just trying to layout an upgrading to fluid infusion 1.0 page...
[11:23:38 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ohhh
[11:23:46 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok, then here is the rule of thumb
[11:23:57 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> all the "." got changed to "-"
[11:24:03 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> and fluid changed to fss
[11:24:11 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay... thanks...
[11:24:29 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> except, the dot before the file extension
[11:24:30 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> did anything inside of the files themselves change... i.e. class names or anything else major
[11:24:32 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> thats still there
[11:24:47 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> all the class names contained within the fss css files should not have changed
[11:25:02 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> the fss api page is still the way it should be
[11:25:14 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay... so location and actual filenames were the only changes
[11:25:27 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yuppers - and the images folder that goes with fss
[11:25:32 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> that got moved too
[11:25:33 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> was anything moved from one file to another...
[11:25:44 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> thats a harder question to answer
[11:25:48 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I think its a "yes"
[11:26:07 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> what was fluid.states.css then fss-states.css is now no longer used
[11:26:17 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> its since been deleted, and its functionality moved elsewhere
[11:26:29 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> to the individual components
[11:26:31 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay...
[11:26:32 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> like into the Reorderer.css
[11:26:34 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yes
[11:26:56 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> im pretty sure fss-layout.css file has been cleaned in a similar way
[11:27:01 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> that is probably an important distinction... i'm just laying out the structure now... so we can worry about the details later i guess
[11:27:02 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> though not nearly as much
[11:27:08 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[11:27:10 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> sure thing
[11:27:14 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> fj4000: thanks
[11:27:16 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> pls ping me if you need more details
[11:27:27 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thanks, will do
[11:28:46 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> Justin_o, elicochran, colinclark : are we including the namespaced css data for jquery UI in this release?
[11:28:55 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I think it got punted, but I dont remember
[11:29:08 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: I don't know
[11:29:16 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> i think its punted
[11:29:17 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[11:29:22 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I dont see it included
[11:29:24 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> thats cool
[11:31:47 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> elicochran: im done with the Readme
[11:32:16 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: thanks, would you mark your ReadMe jira as Resolved?
[11:32:28 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> read my mind
[11:33:52 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> elicochran: is there any particular task to update the Source Code section?
[11:33:57 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> it looks like the old one
[11:34:12 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> same thing for Sample code
[11:34:25 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> Justin_o might know better about the tests section
[11:34:51 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> those all need updating
[11:34:59 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> same jira?
[11:35:07 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> there is not a specific task, I was going to do that under the umbrella JIRA
[11:35:14 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> would you like to take that on?
[11:35:20 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> sure!
[11:35:37 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: You are the hero of the hour
[11:35:41 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000>
[11:35:50 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: would you like your own JIRA?
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[11:35:59 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> fj4000: what was the testing thing your mentioning
[11:36:14 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> in the readme, the Tests organization
[11:36:28 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> Im just not familiar how its set up at the moment
[11:36:39 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> but I can review it
[11:36:50 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> cool
[11:37:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: is Anastasia there today?
[11:37:33 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I believe she was online
[11:37:37 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> but not post 11
[11:37:41 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> TO time
[11:38:00 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> so, not anymore
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[11:39:06 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> elicochran: is it a problem if the formatting for the file changed?
[11:39:18 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> it seems when I saved my changes, I think the encoding changed
[11:39:24 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: ?
[11:39:27 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> can you verify its working properly?
[11:40:04 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: it looks good in my Aptana, I will take a pass through at the end and make sure that the file has Unix encoding
[11:40:09 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> thanks!
[11:40:21 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> since I think windows is reformatting it on the fly
[11:41:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: were you editing in Aptana
[11:41:07 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ?
[11:41:24 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> no, but I will now
[11:41:31 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I was using my default editor
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[11:41:45 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> great
[11:43:32 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: I just reassigned the ReadMe tasks for UIOptions to you since Anastasia isn't around... I think it probably should have been assigned to you in the first place
[11:44:01 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes, that makes sense
[11:48:19 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000, michelled: I'm about to check the ReadMe back in with Unix linefeed encoding so that we have a new baseline, so the next merge may suck if you're not careful
[11:48:36 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks elicochran
[11:48:36 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> could you wait a moment?
[11:48:43 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> Im just finishing up an edit
[11:48:45 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: yep
[11:48:49 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> thank
[11:50:22 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Bosmo1: good morning sir
[11:50:33 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Bosmo1: are you here?
[11:51:42 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: ping me when you're done
[11:51:49 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> just about
[11:51:52 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> im commiting it now
[11:52:58 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> elicochran: im done. could you pls ensure the Source Code section looks correct?
[11:53:12 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: I'll check it right now
[11:53:21 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> thanks
[11:54:45 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: it looks to me as if we should document components, framework, and lib here
[11:54:57 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> however, that list is going to become painful
[11:55:09 EDT(-0400)] * fj4000 thanks goodness for DOS tree commands
[11:55:17 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> not a problem
[11:55:29 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I have the whole repo mapped out already
[11:55:46 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yeah, but I think that it's going to be hard to read and frightfully redundant
[11:55:50 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ohh
[11:55:53 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> for sure
[11:55:55 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> your right
[11:56:19 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> how about if we preface the section with a comment that each directory contains css, images, blah, blah, as needed
[11:56:29 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[11:56:37 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> outline the pattern instead, I agree
[11:56:38 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> does that make sense
[11:56:45 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> with a single example, sure
[11:56:50 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> makes tons of sense
[11:57:18 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> would you like me to redo all of them?
[11:57:26 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yes, please
[11:57:28 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> including the components one ?
[11:57:36 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yes, please
[11:57:38 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[11:57:45 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> let me get one more opinion
[11:57:49 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> Justin_o: i might need your help for the tests seciton
[11:57:54 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[11:58:07 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: could you read the above and chime in with your thoughts?
[11:58:24 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> fj4000: what is this tests section you are refering to
[11:58:35 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> the whole tree. See ^^
[11:58:39 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> what do you think?
[11:59:18 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> Justin_o: if we do this, I was hoping you could outline the tests directory structure pattern
[11:59:43 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> the beauty of the new dir structure is that it's very easy to understand
[11:59:52 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> agreed!
[11:59:59 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I agree that we don't need to map out the whole structure
[12:00:46 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> fj4000: sure... i think it should be similar to the rest of svn though.. but i'll double check
[12:00:54 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[12:01:02 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: thanks
[12:01:16 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: you may proceed
[12:03:14 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> elicochran: what did "sample-code" used to represent?
[12:03:20 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I foget already
[12:04:01 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: wasn't that the Springboards?
[12:04:07 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran>
[12:05:30 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> cool - so those would be standalone demos, then?
[12:06:24 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> fj4000: so the tests section is pretty similar to the rest of the svn structure
[12:06:38 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> great
[12:09:25 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: I think that I know the answer to this question, but just for the record, the list of supported browsers did not change for this release, yes?
[12:09:42 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> it did
[12:09:49 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> oh
[12:09:51 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i'll send you a link
[12:09:57 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> thanks
[12:10:04 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'll update the Read Me
[12:10:16 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Browser+Support
[12:10:57 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> so you can see the current supported browsers on that page, and then there is a link to the prior browser support as well
[12:11:01 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: ^
[12:11:15 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: thanks, got it
[12:11:33 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I didn't realize that we actually started testing IE8
[12:11:39 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Thanks!
[12:11:41 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I'm going to change the wording for IE8 and say that there were preliminary tests done or something... colin had a good wording for it yesterday and i forgot it
[12:12:04 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> send me that wording and I'll steal it for the ReadMe
[12:12:28 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> should I ping him for it < Justin_o
[12:12:57 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> he just left for lunch
[12:13:24 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> who said he could EAT!?!
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[12:18:06 EDT(-0400)] <athena> for the pager, is it possible to inject the model properties on initialization?
[12:18:31 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: I just noticed that Daphne wrote up a serious bug yesterday in Uploader: FLUID-2570
[12:18:34 EDT(-0400)] <athena> if i want to set the initial sorting or page size, for instance
[12:18:36 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'm going to confirm right now
[12:19:40 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: i was unable to reproduce it... erin also found an issue that I was unable to reproduce ( in that case I think there was something with the particular machine)
[12:20:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: I also cant reproduce it
[12:20:34 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Daphne's not in yet so I can't confirm with her but I'll keep it on my radar
[12:20:47 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> funny, what you bump into when you go to look at known issues
[12:26:22 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: for sure... i don't think there should be anything else surprising though..
[12:27:06 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> Justin_o, elicochran: is it enough for the Tests section to simply show the different test type folders?
[12:27:14 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> or should it be down to the component within?
[12:27:30 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: That is enough for me
[12:27:41 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[12:29:06 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> elicochran could you check my readme changes?
[12:29:22 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: have you checked them in?
[12:29:24 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yes
[12:29:33 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> checking
[12:29:46 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> it'll take a moment, cause I'll need to merge
[12:29:50 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[12:30:07 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> sweet, no coflicts
[12:30:10 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> conflicts
[12:31:10 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ?
[12:31:14 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> oh
[12:31:18 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> so its ok?
[12:31:38 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> sorry all I saw was "conflicts"
[12:32:02 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> sorry, I said, "sweet, no conflicts"
[12:32:07 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000>
[12:32:08 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> great
[12:32:23 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I think that it would be worth listing out the components
[12:32:31 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> in which section?
[12:32:49 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> just not the directories inside the component directory
[12:32:57 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[12:33:02 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> under source code
[12:33:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> so
[12:33:10 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> you or I ?
[12:33:27 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I can take it, if you like
[12:33:28 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I can do it now, if you like
[12:33:30 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000>
[12:33:34 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> would you?
[12:33:36 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[12:33:38 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> sure thing
[12:33:43 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> components, framework, and lib
[12:33:53 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ?
[12:34:41 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> eliccochran ^
[12:34:43 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> would should have top level listings for each of those directories
[12:35:57 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> sorry, I think you lost me - for the source code section, Im going to narrow it down to the component folders
[12:36:02 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> was there more?
[12:36:12 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yes
[12:37:24 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> component
[12:37:24 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> inlineEdit
[12:37:24 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ....
[12:37:25 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> framework
[12:37:25 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> core
[12:37:25 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ...
[12:37:27 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> lib
[12:37:29 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fastXmlPull
[12:37:31 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> ....
[12:37:42 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[12:37:51 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: did that make sense?
[12:37:56 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yup
[12:38:18 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: I appreciate you doing this since you've got your handy Windows directory mapper
[12:38:24 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000>
[12:38:29 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> although I think that I can do the same thing from a Mac
[12:38:35 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> its just a DOS command to print it all out [12:38:41 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> just by copy and pasting a directory structure into a text editor [12:38:42 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yeah, most likely [12:38:59 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> via the terminal? [12:39:20 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yeah, although copy and pasting is easier [12:39:43 EDT(-0400)] * laurelw (n=Laurel@142.150.154.178) has joined #fluid-work [12:40:16 EDT(-0400)] * EricDalquist (n=dalquist@bohemia.doit.wisc.edu) has joined #fluid-work [12:45:33 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> elicochran: think for the source code part we can skip the demos folders? [12:46:20 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I don't think so... although it shouldn't be in source code [12:46:33 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> thats what I mean [12:46:35 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> it should be part of Examples and Sample Code [12:46:38 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> its got its own seciotn [12:46:42 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yep [12:46:43 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> *section [12:46:48 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> although we don't have anything there [12:46:49 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yet [12:46:55 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ? [12:47:03 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> we have the standalone demos, no? [12:47:13 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yes [12:47:21 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> but not the integration-demos [12:47:26 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok [12:47:33 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> should we? [12:47:36 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yes [12:47:43 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok, then I will include those there [12:47:47 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> then I will commit [12:48:01 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> with a very brief rundown of which components are exercised for each one [12:48:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> can you do that? [12:48:35 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> bspace/ (uses FSS, etc.) [12:49:00 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> or (utilizes FSS, etc.) something like that [12:49:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: ^ [12:49:15 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok [12:49:20 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> i already committed it [12:49:25 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> but I will add more [12:53:08 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> elicochran, Justin_o, michelled: I have to miss standup, but all I've been doing yesterday and today is testing, wiki docs, and now the readme [12:53:19 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> back in a bit [12:53:28 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: you rock! [12:54:15 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> fj4000: i don't think there will be standup today, we have a fluid engage conference call at 1pm [13:01:19 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: no stand up? [13:01:43 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: we are on a conference call, so i don't think we'll be making it [13:02:29 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: thanks [13:07:24 EDT(-0400)] * michelled (n=michelle@142.150.154.101) has joined #fluid-work [13:17:13 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: I think for the browser support you can say something like preliminary testing is done. If you aren't in need of finalizing the readme before we are done on the conference call I can talk to colin about the wording again. [13:18:20 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: what I wrote so far is "Internet Explorer 8: preliminary testing" as opposed to "full support" which is what it says for the rest [13:18:31 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: okay thanks [13:18:46 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I also added a link to the Browser SUpport page in the wiki [13:18:57 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Colin will have a chance to review [13:19:05 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay... thanks... that link was a good idea [13:41:11 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: I did a quick pass through the Blocker and Critical Known Issues and took a stab at Known Issues for UI Options and Inline Edit [13:41:18 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> as well as updating the Uploader [13:41:31 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Read Me [13:42:07 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks elicochran [13:42:21 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I'll get a chance to look at this fairly soon [13:58:28 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: Daphne reproduced that Uploader loading bug on FF2/WinXP [13:58:39 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> It completely baffles me [13:58:46 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> only happens on the server version [13:58:52 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> was it on the same computer that she did it on before or a different one? [13:58:58 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> there are no errors in the error console [13:59:01 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> same computer [13:59:08 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> trying to figure out what's going on [13:59:17 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> FF 2.0.0.20 [13:59:21 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> is she able to reproduce it somewhere else... i wonder if there is some setting [13:59:25 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Flash 9,0,124,0 [13:59:32 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> is that an older version of ff2 [13:59:40 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> by why only the server version [13:59:42 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> maybe [13:59:45 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'm checking [13:59:52 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> hmm... i'll fire up my vm and take a look [14:01:27 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: newer than the version that I have on my laptop [14:01:51 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> hmm... and it is working okay on yours [14:01:57 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yes [14:02:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I have 2.0.0.17 [14:02:17 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> on my PC laptop [14:02:22 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay.... i have the same version as daphne on my vm [14:02:26 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> let me check the flash version [14:02:37 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> It looks like the AJAX is not loading [14:02:49 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> the AJAX that brings in the Uploader.html [14:02:59 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I don't think that this is Flash related [14:03:04 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> my flash is the same too [14:03:04 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> it's not even getting that far [14:03:17 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> js is on? [14:03:40 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Must be because using the very same browser I can load the demo version [14:05:39 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: wierd... i just double checked mine and it is working [14:06:21 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: thanks... I'm going to install Firebug on that machine and see if I can figure out what's going on [14:06:28 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'm totally stumped [14:11:21 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: okay... i think if we can't reproduce it (elsewhere) we should continue with the release... I'm going to try it on another machine here i'll let you know what happens [14:16:27 EDT(-0400)] * michelled_ (n=team@142.150.154.193) has joined #fluid-work [14:18:16 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: sorry this is going to take a bit of time as i have to uninstall flash 10 and download and reinstall flash 9 [14:18:57 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I really think that Flash has nothing to do with it [14:18:58 EDT(-0400)] * michelled (n=team@142.150.154.193) has joined #fluid-work [14:27:46 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: i just wanted to get the same setup... i did test with both though and it is working... so flash, FF, and OS were all the same... [14:28:04 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> maybe it's a ff plugin that is causing the problem... [14:29:10 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: can you test the sakai mock-up example with that configuration... i think that also uses ajax to pull in the contents of the ui options dialog [14:29:13 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> you can see if that works [14:29:37 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> interesting... I'll look [14:29:43 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thanks.. [14:30:18 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: but first... [14:31:07 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> the key symptom of all this is that on this machine, if I use Firebugs Net console, I only load 20 files, stopping right after Uploader.html [14:31:27 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> all other machines the browser then loads swfupload.swf [14:31:31 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> this machine does not [14:31:53 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> it's missing the flash file..... interesting [14:32:11 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> security setting? [14:32:26 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> or it's not running the JS correctly to instantiate the flash file [14:33:50 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> but what could cause that? [14:35:17 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: Good thought about the Sakai mockup... same problem [14:35:26 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> this is getting somewhere [14:35:28 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> FF issue? [14:35:46 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> just this one machine [14:46:55 EDT(-0400)] * jessm (n=Jess@c-71-232-3-4.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #fluid-work [14:47:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: I am completely stumped! [14:47:33 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> really... any new developments [14:47:45 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> not really [14:47:55 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I tested the machine against both my server and build [14:48:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> both show the same error [14:48:16 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I've checked every setting I can think of [14:48:35 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I even tried switching from a wireless to a wired connection [14:49:05 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> antivirus software maybe? [14:49:32 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I'm guessing that is a university owned machine... could there be something they've put on it? [14:51:38 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: I just pinged Colin [14:51:42 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'll check that [14:52:21 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: okay... let me know if you can find anything... [14:53:32 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: I disabled AntiVirus software. Didn't make a difference [14:54:56 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> hmm... i'm out of ideas at the moment [14:57:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: me too [14:58:12 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: i think we'll have to set this one aside for the time being... i wish i could see the issue [14:59:04 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: I agree, it's taking too much time [14:59:14 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I wish you could see this machine too [15:00:53 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: maybe we can try to reinvestigate this post 1.0.... [15:01:04 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: yep [15:07:12 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> elicochran, fj4000: I've got some updates to the readme for uiOptions [15:07:14 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> can I commit them? [15:07:27 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> fine by me! [15:07:29 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: Please do! [15:07:53 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ack - got a conflict - it'll take me a moment [15:09:18 EDT(-0400)] * colinclark (n=colin@142.150.154.101) has joined #fluid-work [15:09:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Hi, sorry everyone. [15:09:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> How's everything going? [15:10:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o, elicochran: What's up? [15:11:48 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Daphne found a bug last night in Uploader on the server... that is only (ONLY) reproducable on the PC she was using [15:12:16 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Although we've now made the same (or similar) bug happen in UIOptions Sakai version on the same machine [15:12:36 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I think that we have to punt on the bug though... I've tried everything that I can think of [15:12:49 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> it's FF2 [15:12:54 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> XP [15:13:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I've looked at every option that I can think of [15:13:25 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> seems that it's getting stuck loading external content on the page [15:14:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: It sounds like it's a subtle one that we don't have a good grip on. [15:14:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Let's make sure it's marked as something to watch, and continue onwards. [15:14:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Do you concur? [15:15:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Do you have a JIRA ticket for it? [15:16:04 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark: i agree [15:16:10 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> not yet [15:16:27 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> oh, wait [15:16:30 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran, colinclark this is the issue that Daphne filed http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2570 [15:16:30 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yes there is a JIRA [15:16:41 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'll fill in the details [15:16:56 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: thanks [15:17:18 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: when you get a chance, I really need you to take a wack at the ReadMe.txt file [15:17:40 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: are you done with your changes for the ReadMe? [15:17:45 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes [15:17:49 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> just committed [15:18:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: So this is FF2? [15:18:25 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yep [15:18:36 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: thanks [15:18:41 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> np [15:19:00 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I was wondering if we wanted to list the components and their status in the readme [15:19:03 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> it might be useful for people [15:19:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: It sounds like an issue with Ajax requests on that particular machine, but it would great to know what's going on behind the scenes. So I think we need a lot more data before we could even imagine fixing it. [15:19:54 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: agreed! [15:20:14 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: I think that would be great. Do you have time to put it together? [15:22:20 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sure [15:24:08 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> laurelw: the Fluid logo in the footer of the Fluid website does not seem to be displaying [15:25:08 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> laurelw: sorry on build.fluidproject.org [15:26:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: I'm on the ReadMe now. [15:26:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Is there anything in particular you need me to focus on in it? [15:26:26 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: thanks [15:27:22 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: there are a bunch of documentation task listed as Blockers for the release. I feel like I should down grade them since I don't think we're actually going to stop the release for them. Do you concur? [15:27:55 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I don't know. [15:28:28 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I'd need to take a closer look - do any of them need to be done before we cut a release? [15:28:40 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: you still have a task outstanding: FLUID-2533: Verify dependencies for framework [15:28:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> k [15:29:57 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: I don't think so. I'm thinking of the top 6 as listed here: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+1.0+Release+Status#Fluid1.0ReleaseStatus-Timeline [15:35:35 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> colinclark, thoughts on the doc tasks for 1.0? Normally I'd agree that we should punt them but 1.0 feels different [15:35:49 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I'm going to commit the release file again [15:36:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: I think elicochran's point is a good one; the documentation tasks-except for the ReadMe and "Upgrading to 1.0" material-won't stop the release. [15:36:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> That's not to say that they aren't completely critical... [15:36:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But they needn't be blockers on the release. [15:37:26 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Anastasiac and I will be ensuring we all circle back to make sure our documentation is looking really good for this release. But that can run in parallel to the release process itself. [15:37:40 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ok, sounds good [15:37:54 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I added a status of components section to the readme [15:38:13 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I pulled from this page: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+Infusion+-+Current+Release#FluidInfusion-CurrentRelease-StatusofComponents [15:38:34 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled & colinclark: I'm going to downgrade those tasks from block to critical [15:38:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm confused by the bugs I'm seeing here: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+1.0+Release+Status#Fluid1.0ReleaseStatus-Timeline [15:38:48 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sounds good [15:38:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> In the Remaining Tasks before Release [15:39:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm seeing some weird stuff, like FLUID-2210 in the list [15:39:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> things that are 1.1 or later [15:39:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> aha [15:39:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It's some kind of weird caching. [15:40:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yeah, if you hit "refresh" it cleans up [15:40:06 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I clicked those funny arrows in the list, and it seems to have been updated. [15:41:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran, michelled: Okay, I'm going to start on FLUID-2533 first--framework depedencies. [15:42:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> thanks! [15:42:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> what a wild day [15:42:28 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i guess you can all relate [15:42:51 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: I'm running out of time today [15:43:23 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> We're going to have to push the release out a day [15:43:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: You've done tons today. No worries about that. [15:43:38 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> thanks [15:43:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So we'd cut the release on Thursday? [15:43:54 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yes, and then it still needs to get tested [15:43:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: ^ [15:43:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Okay, great. [15:44:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled will be away, but I think Justin_o might be able to fill in. [15:44:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> The King will be your sidekick. [15:44:28 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Does that seem reasonable? [15:44:51 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'm going to update the JIRAs and then put out an email with an update to the list [15:45:13 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> great [15:48:42 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark, michelled, Justin_o, fj4000: because Anastasia was out today I did a quick cruise through the Known Issues and Fixes items to update the Known Issues section of the Read Me for Inline Edit, Pager, and Reorderer. [15:49:03 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I guess I'll let her have a quick look in the morning at the ReadMe [15:49:46 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> colinclark, michelled, Justin_o, fj4000: I actually have to head out now: is there anything I should take care of before I go? [15:50:08 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> elicochran ^ ? [15:50:37 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> fj4000: no, I don't think so. You were a great help today. Thanks for all your Read Me editing [15:50:44 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Have a great seder! [15:50:50 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> You too [15:51:00 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> try not to each tooooo much [15:51:05 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> *eat [15:51:14 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Don't let Elijah get too drunk at your house before he gets to this coast [15:51:27 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> lol - i cant make any promises [15:51:34 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> take care! [15:51:38 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> you too [15:55:57 EDT(-0400)] * laurelw1 (n=Laurel@142.150.154.178) has joined #fluid-work [16:03:51 EDT(-0400)] * Topic is 'Release time: please help with documentation' set by michelled on 2009-04-08 16:03:51 EDT(-0400) [16:08:13 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: do you have a minute to look at a Release wiki page with me on Creating the Release Bundle? [16:08:28 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Creating+a+Release+Bundle [16:08:48 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> for sure [16:08:52 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> skype? [16:08:56 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> that works [16:10:44 EDT(-0400)] * laurelw1 (n=Laurel@142.150.154.178) has left #fluid-work [16:29:40 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran, michelled, colinclark: while looking through the directory structure to start to make a wiki page for the new structure... i noticed that the pager quick start example hadn't been removed... it is technically functional but is not exemplary [16:30:28 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I'm going to remove it... any objections... it shouldn't cause any problems as it is isolated in the quick-start-examples directory [16:31:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: +` [16:31:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> err [16:31:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> +1 [16:31:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> [16:31:20 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thanks [16:31:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled, elicochran: Ok, I have found a bug in our dependencies system... [16:31:36 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> but I think it's okay. [16:31:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> In short, there's a plugin called jquery.bgiframe.js [16:31:51 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> yes [16:31:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It is correctly located in the jquery/core directory. [16:32:04 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But it was not included in the jQueryCore dependencies file. [16:32:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> That's probably a good thing. [16:32:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So bgiframe is essentially an optional dependency for InlineEdit's tooltip. [16:32:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It can also be optionally used with jQuery UI's dialog. [16:32:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So a couple of issues here: [16:32:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 1. jquery.bgiframe.js should probably live in lib/jquery/plugins, rather than in core. [16:33:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 2. Without looking at it more closely, it's not clear to me if we should automatically package it up with InfusionAll or other related builds. Since it seems to be optional. [16:33:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Perhaps we should. [16:33:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Regardless of all this, it does still end up in the release bundles. [16:34:08 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> here's the issue for point 1. http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2471 [16:34:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ooh, thanks [16:34:55 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: not sure how optional is should be [16:35:09 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I guess at this point, it's only the Pager site settings example that uses it. It looks like none of our InlineEdit examples use it. [16:35:15 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> since it saves IE6 users from some ugly behavior [16:35:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: What's your rationale? [16:35:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yeah [16:35:43 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> overlapping select boxes being the one that pops to the top of my mind [16:36:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> The tooltip plugins says this about it: [16:36:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> optional: bgiframe plugin to fix select-problems in IE, just include to apply to tooltip [16:36:08 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I've used it to fix all kinds of layering problems in the past [16:36:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Which is exactly what you're saying. [16:36:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> The question is whether or not our use of the tooltip requires it or not. [16:36:36 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> it also can be used to fix iFrame layering problems if I remember correctly [16:36:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yes [16:37:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I think probably the correct thing to do with it is move it into our plugins folder. [16:37:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And then define it as a module with its own dependency declaration. [16:37:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And then make the tooltip depend on bgiframe [16:37:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But ultimately, this feels too big at this point in the game. [16:38:06 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm tempted to ship it as is. [16:38:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Perhaps with a known issue. [16:39:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> My rationale: We do still ship it in our unconcatenated package, so all of the sample code still works just fine. [16:39:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Users of InfusionAll.js or their own custom build will need to include it separately if they need it. [16:39:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Not awesome. [16:39:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: What do you think? [16:40:03 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I agree with your rational [16:40:24 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I think that it will go mostly unnoticed at this point [16:40:33 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> good catch by the way! [16:41:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Cool. [16:41:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm filing a related JIRA to Fish's FLUID-2471 and I'll add it to our list of known issues. [16:41:53 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: I'm going to be going home now... if you need me to work on something specific when I get in tomorrow morning... please send me an e-mail and I'll get to it, when I come in [16:42:28 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> thanks! [16:42:35 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: ^ [16:42:50 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> np problem... talk to you tomorrow [16:43:10 EDT(-0400)] * Justin_o (n=Justin@142.150.154.171) has left #fluid-work [16:43:36 EDT(-0400)] * scottbattaglia (n=battags@nat01-asb-ext.rutgers.edu) has joined #fluid-work [16:43:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Same applies for me, except for the going home part. [16:43:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Anything you need, just let me know. [16:44:21 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: well, I'm leaving soon to. I sent out an email with my current needs. You're the guy with the Read Me at the moment! [16:44:29 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Yep, I saw that. [16:44:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> No worries [16:49:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Anything I can do to help you leave sooner rather than later? You've already done so much for this release! [16:50:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> nope. I'm pretty much done for the day. [16:50:16 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I was working on my wii mee [16:50:25 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> [16:52:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ha [16:52:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> awesome [16:52:29 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i put a real picture up there, and am no regretting it [16:52:37 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> everyone's mee looks cooler than me [16:52:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> [17:02:54 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'm just mess'n with it. I actually think that they look pretty dorky! Although I found some Harry Potter glasses for mine, so he looks pretty much like me [17:08:02 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: use this: http://terminateyourself.com/ [17:08:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> woah [17:10:03 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: I look pretty creepy [17:10:29 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I thought it would go well with the background of your picture on the wiki [17:10:42 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> It doesn't work very well for me because of my glasses [17:10:56 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'd have to photoshop the glasses back on after I was done [17:13:35 EDT(-0400)] * clown (n=clown@142.150.154.101) has left #fluid-work [17:14:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Ok, I've tested out the framework dependencies using a "framework" custom build and a modified version of the UI Options sakai example. Everything worked out, so I resolved the issue. [17:14:55 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: excellent! thanks! [17:15:13 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I'll close out the parent task [17:15:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I made one small change to the ReadMe, but now I'm digging into it wholeheartedly.