fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-04-07

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[09:36:18 EDT(-0400)] <scottbattaglia> hey everyone, you might know this already but just in case, the functional demos linked from http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/FSS+Walk-throughs+-+Getting+Started don't appear to be available
[09:36:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> scottbattaglia: Thanks for pointing this one out. We have been restructuring our SVN layout.
[09:37:09 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And we're still catching all the links we broke in the process.
[09:38:03 EDT(-0400)] <scottbattaglia> I guess I'll just have to read then instead of looking at demos
[09:39:11 EDT(-0400)] <scottbattaglia> also I think this is an artifact of your march towards release 1 but the FSS main page and the Quick Guide and Conventions conflict on the order of the CSS files
[09:39:18 EDT(-0400)] <scottbattaglia> (can you tell, I'm trying out FSS )
[09:39:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> scottbattaglia: Awesome.
[09:39:46 EDT(-0400)] <athena> speaking of CSS, were there class name changes for the reorderer between 0.8 and 1.0?
[09:40:00 EDT(-0400)] <athena> missing styles was the one thing i noticed when i tested in uportal last night
[09:40:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> athena:
[09:40:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Yes, we normalized all of our class names across Infusion.
[09:40:39 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ok
[09:40:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Some short term pain for upgraders between 0.8 and 1.0
[09:40:52 EDT(-0400)] <athena> is that documented somewhere?
[09:40:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It will be.
[09:41:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We're just winding down QA and documentation is huge.
[09:41:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> There's going to be a big fat README with the release documenting these sorts of issues.
[09:42:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We tried to be fairly conservative with our name changes; the FSS class names all stayed the same.
[09:43:11 EDT(-0400)] <athena> sounds great, thanks
[09:43:42 EDT(-0400)] <athena> so i think we'll need to make sure the fluid 1.0+ upgrade is uportal 3.2-only, as we don't want to break users' current skins
[09:43:51 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> athena: Yep, exactly.
[09:44:04 EDT(-0400)] <athena> but aside from that, it seemed like things were working pretty well
[09:44:27 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> athena: Except for normalization, the Reorderer didn't change much, if at all, between 0.8 and 1.0, so you should be cool there.
[09:45:14 EDT(-0400)] <athena> sounds good
[09:45:29 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i think our pager broke, but we were using old non-renderer-based code for it
[09:45:46 EDT(-0400)] <athena> and i'm not particularly worried about that
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[09:55:58 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, I'm testing a "pager release bundle" - what's the process for fixing errors in the dependencies files? Is there a JIRA? Do I need to post a patch, or just commit the fix?
[09:56:25 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> there is a jira that Michelle made for those... let me dig it up
[09:56:44 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> and can I just go ahead and commit against the JIRA, or do I need a review?
[09:56:58 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> here's the parent
[09:57:03 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2525
[09:59:39 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> Since FLUID-2525 and its sub-issues are part of getting the build scripts up and running, you are able to freely commit against that currently
[10:01:39 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, thanks!
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[10:32:29 EDT(-0400)] <athena> anyone have thoughts about how the pager might respond to a data set of 5000 items?
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[10:33:41 EDT(-0400)] <athena> morning Bosmo1
[10:35:15 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Morning athena7 minus 7
[10:35:27 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> So, for the "verify dependencies" tasks
[10:35:38 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Is there any formal way to verify them, other than just looking at the files?
[10:35:48 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Is there any tool which would check whether the files are in the correct syntax?
[10:35:53 EDT(-0400)] <athena> right before you came in i'd just asked how the pager might respond to a data set of 5K or so items
[10:35:59 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> aha
[10:36:18 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I would have thought you would have wanted to page those server-side
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[10:36:31 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Have you built up a REST API which would allow them to be addressed?
[10:36:40 EDT(-0400)] <athena> we haven't done anything yet
[10:37:38 EDT(-0400)] <athena> can the fluid pager pull pages in via a rest api if one were available?
[10:38:08 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> yes
[10:38:22 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Like a SpiderPig, it does whatever a SpiderPig does
[10:38:37 EDT(-0400)] <athena> lol
[10:38:40 EDT(-0400)] <athena> excellent
[10:38:41 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> Justin_o: uploader testing? where are we?
[10:39:01 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Although I have to say, we have built no examples yet of it doing this
[10:39:06 EDT(-0400)] <athena> gotcha
[10:39:13 EDT(-0400)] <athena> well, we may have to investigate that
[10:39:17 EDT(-0400)] <athena> thanks for the info
[10:39:17 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Bosmo1, regarding how to verify the customBuilds: the best way right now is to modify a sample to use the custom js file instead of the files it's supposed to bundle
[10:39:24 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> aha
[10:39:37 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Are there instructions?
[10:39:58 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jessm: we still have a bunch of tasks to do for that one...
[10:41:53 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> Justin_o: hit me
[10:42:12 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thanks... which version of flash did you say you had?
[10:42:16 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> 10
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[10:44:17 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> fj4000: you deep in testing?
[10:44:33 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> actually, now im working on the wiki
[10:44:39 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> fss docs space
[10:45:48 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jessm: okay... i'll set up your queue and let you know when it is ready
[10:45:55 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> thx
[10:47:41 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jessm: you just have FF3 and Safari right?
[10:47:50 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> yes
[10:48:01 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> erin beat you to those tasks then
[10:53:45 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> oh, ok – well, that's good
[10:53:55 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thanks for the offer though
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[10:54:41 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> fj4000: just wondering if you will have time to finish off the testing tasks in your task list?
[10:55:30 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I should mark the IE7 as done....
[10:55:45 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay
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[11:06:30 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Bosmo1, fj4000, elicochran, michelled: if you're working on verifying any of custom build work, please mark the appropriate JIRA as 'in progress' so I can know what to work on next
[11:06:32 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2525
[11:06:59 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: thanks for the reminder
[11:07:24 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> also, please update often
[11:07:54 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> OK
[11:08:01 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I am still struggling with getting the ant task to work
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[11:09:35 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: question for you about your comment on FLUID-2528 - Verify dependencies for Uploader and Progress
[11:09:44 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Please also check the dependencies of swfobject and swfupload in the 'lib' folder.
[11:10:13 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Couldn't find the dependency files for swftobject and swfupload
[11:10:14 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes?
[11:10:23 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> you may need to create theme
[11:10:25 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> them
[11:10:45 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> hmm
[11:11:15 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> OK, let me get a little deeper into the dependencies for uploader and I'm sure that I wlll have more questions
[11:11:44 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> great
[11:15:34 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: if I need ui.core.js for the Aria functions then I need to specify jQueryUICore as well as jQuery, correct?
[11:15:48 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes
[11:15:57 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> seems like most of us are going to need that
[11:16:03 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> easy to overlook
[11:16:15 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> although if you don't use jQuery for anything (unlikely) then you don't need to specify it
[11:16:21 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> you should only specify things that you use
[11:16:29 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> ?
[11:16:35 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Aren't the dependencies transitive?
[11:16:44 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> if you only used jquery ui core, then specify it and it will pull in its own dependencies
[11:17:33 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> so if I know that jQuery UI is dependent on jQuery, should I list both or just jQuery UI?
[11:17:43 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> seems best to specify both but I'm not sure
[11:17:50 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: ^
[11:18:17 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Surely you should just specify the higher-level module
[11:18:27 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I feel it's nice to specify both because it's documentation for others. it's saying "I use jquery and I use jquery ui"
[11:18:39 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> but it will work fine if you just specify jquery ui
[11:18:40 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> that's what I thought
[11:18:41 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I don't think that is a good idea
[11:18:45 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> why?
[11:18:49 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> You should only specific what you have a direct dependency on
[11:18:56 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes, that's what I'm saying
[11:19:02 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> oh, ok
[11:19:04 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> oh, I meant in the case where I need both
[11:19:20 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> I always need jQuery
[11:19:24 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> even in my dreams
[11:21:00 EDT(-0400)] <athena> lol
[11:21:07 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ya, I missed jQuery when I was writing the javascript part of the build scripts
[11:21:28 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> but it was pretty cool to import java.io into my javascript
[11:21:54 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> if I ever have to go back to raw JS, I'll probably just quit and become a gourd farmer
[11:22:17 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: yep, that was a nice trick
[11:22:41 EDT(-0400)] * michelled is thinking about her tomatoes which have now germinated - 15 types of cherry tomatoes
[11:22:50 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> So
[11:22:54 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> 15 types!?!
[11:22:55 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I am still a bit lost...
[11:22:55 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> wow
[11:23:06 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Hannah would be in heaven
[11:23:15 EDT(-0400)] <michelled>
[11:23:17 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Bosmo1, what is confusing?
[11:23:20 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Well
[11:23:33 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Bosmo1: cherry tomato, small sweet tomato... they're not that confusing
[11:23:33 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> When I "verify a dependency set"
[11:23:43 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> AC has said one way to do this is to create a custom build
[11:23:45 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> And try it out
[11:23:51 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> But... how can this be stable?
[11:23:59 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Would I just try this out in the comfort of my own home?
[11:24:16 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> for 1.0 yes. for 1.1 we'll have a web interface for people
[11:24:18 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I am wondering whether we would not want to have a stable association between custom builds, and their names....
[11:24:24 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Well, I mean, it is worse than that
[11:24:29 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> What happens when trunk changes?
[11:24:31 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Or we make a new release
[11:24:57 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> it's the responsibility of the component developer/lead to ensure the dependencies are up to date
[11:25:01 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> is that what you mean?
[11:25:09 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> No, I mean... this file would need to be constantly recreated, right?
[11:25:25 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> which file?
[11:25:25 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Or was AC not suggesting I actually change the sample in SVN to use this build
[11:25:29 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> The custom build file
[11:26:17 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I'm not sure what she told you to do.
[11:26:34 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> the samples should not depend on the MyInfusion.js file in svn
[11:26:48 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> but you can test if the MyInfusion file is correct on your own machine
[11:26:53 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> yes, I just meant in your local file system
[11:27:46 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> OK
[11:27:57 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Well, I am wondering if we should not try to make "stable filenames"...
[11:28:02 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> But we can think about that later
[11:28:29 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> anastasiac: I just noticed that the lib/swfupload directory contains both a "flash" directory and a "swf" directory (which is currently empty, this seems like a glitch
[11:29:24 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> elicochran, good catch - looks like a glitch
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[11:30:02 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Unable to load a script engine manager (org.apache.bsf.BSFManager or javax.script.ScriptEngineManager)
[11:30:02 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: can I nuke this stray directory (see above) or should we go through proceedure
[11:30:06 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> What do I do when I get this message
[11:30:14 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Surely we should have a wiki page about this
[11:30:52 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Bosmo1: yes, we should. and this exercise it supposed to end in one
[11:30:57 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Cool
[11:31:05 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> So... what do I do?
[11:31:22 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> because 'script' is an optional task, you may need to do a little config of ant
[11:31:24 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: just catching up...
[11:31:29 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I needed to run ant -f fetch.xml
[11:31:33 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> in the ant directory
[11:31:38 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> then everything worked fine.
[11:31:47 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> it pulls down some maven dependencies.
[11:31:58 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> ok
[11:35:54 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I see it doing this...
[11:36:37 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: so uploader depends on swfobject and swfupload. but swfobject and swfupload do not have any dependencies of their own, so I need to add them to build.properties. Do I also need to create a .json file for them in their own directories?
[11:36:56 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> OK
[11:37:00 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> My build nearly worked now
[11:37:31 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> BUILD FAILED
[11:37:31 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> fluid-components\build-scripts\build.xml:130: fluid-components\products\dist\components not found.
[11:37:38 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: it looks harmless to get rid of that directory
[11:37:43 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> What is the answer to this one?
[11:37:47 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i think you can get rid of it
[11:38:17 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Bosmo1: please update - I fixed a bug this morning
[11:38:18 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> Justin_o: thanks
[11:38:38 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> elicochran: np... thanks for spotting that
[11:39:16 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> OK
[11:39:19 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> i get a different error now
[11:39:20 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> elicochran: they do need to be in the build.properites file if you want it included in the InfusionAll.js file
[11:39:31 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> fluid-components\build-scripts\build.xml:155: Execute failed: java.io.IOException: CreateProcess: mvn install error=2
[11:39:54 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> elicochran: I think they should get their own json file for consistency reasons.
[11:40:19 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: so they would only refer to themselves, yes?
[11:41:02 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ah, yes, they'd need their json file to specify the javascript files. of course. yes. you wouldn't need to include the 'dependencies' part of the json file - just the 'files' part
[11:41:25 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> michelled: thanks! I'm on it!
[11:41:26 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> So, I guess I can't get ant to start mvn
[11:41:35 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Bosmo1: what are you running on the command line?
[11:41:37 EDT(-0400)] * colinclark is just catching up and can help with Antly issues.
[11:42:02 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> fluid-components\build-scripts>ant customBuild -Dinclude="renderer" -Djsfilename="infusion-renderer.js"
[11:42:57 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: yes, you can!
[11:43:18 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: where do I find my ant?
[11:43:24 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> not sure where it is located
[11:43:56 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> elicochran: /usr/share
[11:44:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yep
[11:44:05 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> thanks
[11:44:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> If you're running the standard Mac OS X install of Ant.
[11:44:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So the step, to recap:
[11:44:16 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> locate ant was less than helpful
[11:44:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: Try "which" next time.
[11:44:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 1. Download a full version of Ant from ant.apache.org
[11:44:56 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> thx
[11:45:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 2. Put it wherever you like. If you're on OS X and want to replace the default version, you'll put it in /usr/share with admin privileges.
[11:45:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 3. Inside your new ant directory, also with admin privileges (think "sudo" on Unix), run ant -f fetch.xml
[11:45:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Bosmo1: Now I'm catching up with your issue. One sec.
[11:46:26 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> So
[11:46:44 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I am wondering if this is something to do with the fact that "mvn" on a Windows machine is a BAT file "mvn.bat"
[11:46:54 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I'm not entirely clear whether that can easily be the target of a "CreateProcess"
[11:47:39 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: should I replace the default Mac installation? Or am I find with just running the "ant fetch" part?
[11:47:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Bosmo1: Yeah, this is interesting.
[11:48:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We're not using the Maven task for Ant, we're just running the "mvn" executable.
[11:48:03 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I am trying to read up on this issue
[11:48:06 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Ah
[11:48:11 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> That might be problematic
[11:48:17 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> http://www.jguru.com/forums/view.jsp?EID=503205
[11:48:19 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I see this thread
[11:48:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Have you never run these scripts before? We've been doing this for ages. I could have sworn I actually wrote these scripts back in the days when I ran Windows.
[11:48:38 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I never knew these scripts existed... before yesterday
[11:48:47 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Actually I'm sure I didn't even have this directory before
[11:49:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> They've been around since, like, 0.2 or something.
[11:49:04 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> ah
[11:49:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I wonder if my using Cygwin had something to do with it.
[11:49:37 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I have Cygwin too
[11:49:52 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I don't think it can change the result of a CreateProcess request
[11:49:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> so is mvn.bat in your path?
[11:49:59 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> yes
[11:49:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I would assume so.
[11:50:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Hmm.
[11:50:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> elicochran: No, you'll want to replace the default install.
[11:50:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I just moved it aside.
[11:50:35 EDT(-0400)] <elicochran> colinclark: thanks
[11:51:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok, I'm wondering if we're going to have to switch to using the Maven task for Ant. Let me check it out real quick
[11:51:26 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Should be straightforward, since we know we've got it installed.
[11:51:34 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> ok, cool
[11:51:39 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I was just looking at that documentation
[11:51:44 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> But it didn't look terribly clear
[11:51:49 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Much like all Apache documentation...
[11:53:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Yeah, this documentation sucks.
[11:54:57 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Wow, Jacob's Fluid Engage picture is pretty wacky....
[11:55:05 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Although not as wacky as Jess
[11:55:11 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> where is this wacky picture??
[11:55:12 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> Bosmo1: that's my fault – both of them!
[11:55:20 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I've started to gather some notes on the wiki about the custom build. http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Custom+Build
[11:55:24 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jessm: can i get a picture like yours
[11:55:30 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> fj4000: you're still changing your photo, right?
[11:55:35 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> michelled: That is awesome
[11:55:42 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> please add them more as you discover things. and we can fix up the documentation later.
[11:55:48 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> jessm: yes, soon
[11:55:49 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> Justin_o: yes, go to http://www.weeworld.com/
[11:55:53 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> one pet per user
[11:56:24 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jessm: thanks
[11:56:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> nerdy!
[11:56:30 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> colinclark: Something like this?
[11:56:32 EDT(-0400)]

[11:56:32 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> goal="clean package site ��� other goals" />
[11:56:44 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Wait
[11:56:45 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Ignore that
[11:56:49 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> It is completely irrelevant
[11:57:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Bosmo1: Damn, it looks exactly useful