fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-04-01

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[08:22:35 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> anyone know if I can still commit?
[08:22:48 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> the KING doesn't seem to have arrived yet
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[08:23:06 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> speak of the KING and he arrives!
[08:23:16 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Justin_o - can I do one more commit
[08:23:17 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ?
[08:23:27 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I just put in some comments in UIOptions,.js
[08:23:40 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I'd forgotten to document the API
[08:24:09 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> michelled: sure... i haven't started testing yet
[08:24:30 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thx - just about done
[08:25:50 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> k, done. Justin_o: do you know if anyone update fluid.fail for the release? or does that usually happen after testing?
[08:26:24 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> fluid.fail.... not sure what needs to be updated, so i don't know
[08:27:15 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Bosmon: are you there?
[08:28:18 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I can't remember exactly - right now the implementation causes a confusing browser error. We change the implementation before release so users don't hit that. I'm not sure what we change it to. I can check
[08:32:23 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Justin_o: I found it - we throw an actual error instead
[08:32:27 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> should I commit that change?
[08:32:46 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes please
[08:33:15 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> let me know when you are done, and I'll do an update and e-mail everyone about the testing starting
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[08:34:18 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I'm done
[08:34:26 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sounds good
[08:34:33 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Justin_o ^
[08:35:07 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thanks
[08:43:16 EDT(-0400)] * Topic is 'CODE FREEZE - Testing Tasks can be found here ( http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Release+Testing+Tasks )' set by Justin_o on 2009-04-01 08:43:16 EDT(-0400)
[08:43:37 EDT(-0400)] * Topic is 'CODE FREEZE - Testing Tasks can be found here (http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Release+Testing+Tasks)' set by Justin_o on 2009-04-01 08:43:37 EDT(-0400)
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[11:28:02 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> colinclark, michelled, Justin_o, fj4000, Bosmon: I'm looking for some thoughts on documentation structuring
[11:28:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Ok, fire away.
[11:28:12 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> we have three new items in our "components" source code folder:
[11:28:19 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Table of Contents, Progress and Undo
[11:28:27 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Should these items get their own API pages?
[11:28:33 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> link on the Components wiki page?
[11:28:36 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I guess so, yes.
[11:28:38 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> is there a reason they wouldnt?
[11:28:51 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> separate identification on the fluidproject.org demos page?
[11:29:00 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> what is the status of these components? preview or sneak-peek?
[11:29:20 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> API pages, yes, I figured that
[11:29:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Status... good question
[11:29:33 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> table of contents is preview
[11:29:38 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> what about a link on the Components page? http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Components
[11:29:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I was just going to say... let's start by asking their co-leads.
[11:30:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> After that, I think Justin_o is in a good position to help make a decision about when things are ready to go prime-time.
[11:30:12 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> how can I be reminded who is the co-lead on something
[11:30:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o made a wiki page.
[11:30:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Lemme dig it up.
[11:30:23 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> table of contents is not very resuable in other contexts at the moment. I wouldn't be comfortable with taking it out of preview until we've put a little more cycles into it
[11:30:28 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> right...
[11:30:44 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Component+Contact+Directory
[11:30:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: Is it a sneak peek? Or preview because it is workable at least in the context of UI Options.
[11:30:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o always beats me to it.
[11:30:54 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Also, renderer and keyboard-a11y are NOT components, they're framework bits
[11:31:04 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Yep
[11:31:15 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> the website demo pages should probably be restructured a bit to reflect that
[11:31:21 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> right now, it list the renderer as a component
[11:31:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> keyboard-a11y is kind of unique in that it is totally standalone, but that's okay
[11:31:29 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We can call them "Framework Features"
[11:31:30 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I think the idea of sneak peak is that the thing may change completely and I don't think that's the case with table of contents
[11:31:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> or something
[11:31:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: Fair enough.
[11:31:50 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> that component-lead page is short on a bunch of components
[11:31:50 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> anastasiac, colinclark: we should probably update the component contact page with the new components too
[11:33:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok, so the new components...
[11:33:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ToC
[11:33:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Progress
[11:33:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> and Undo?
[11:33:29 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> yes
[11:33:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm going to start with the same co-leads as the components they sprouted from
[11:34:05 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> makes sense
[11:34:29 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> So: Links to them on the Components wiki page?
[11:36:28 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> so, ecochran and Justin_o, I guess, for Progress - what would it's status be? Production? Preview?
[11:36:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: sounds good
[11:37:11 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> colinclark, you're referring the links on the Components page, right?
[11:37:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: yes, sorry
[11:37:27 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> is uploader in production now?
[11:37:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I have a feeling like progress should also be kept in preview for a little while longer.
[11:37:43 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> upload = preview
[11:37:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Uploader is going to stay in a kind of limbo preview
[11:38:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> until we resolve the Flash a11y problems.
[11:38:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So frustrating!
[11:38:18 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes
[11:38:36 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Undo sprang from inline Edit, which has Bosmon and colinclark as co-leads
[11:40:36 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> is inline edit in production?
[11:40:56 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> inline edit = production
[11:41:08 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> according to http://fluidproject.org/products/fluid-infusion/infusion-demos/
[11:41:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I think we can treat Undo as production-worthy.
[11:41:36 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It has limitations, but it's pretty hot.
[11:41:37 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> which needs some restructuring
[11:41:41 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok, cool
[11:42:11 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> so:
[11:42:12 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> TableOfContents preview
[11:42:12 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Progress preview
[11:42:12 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Undo production
[11:42:30 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> keyboard-a11y and renderer are framework bits, not components
[11:42:59 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> sound right?
[11:43:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Framework Features?
[11:43:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: sounds good
[11:43:13 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> sounds like a better name than "bits"
[11:43:34 EDT(-0400)] * michelled is always impressed when she looks at the new website
[11:43:35 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> cool - thanks, everyone, for the help!
[11:44:36 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Thanks for organizing this!
[11:44:57 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> anastasiac, I pinged laurelw about trying out uioptions on the website again. she needs a bit of help. I can help out tomorrow for a couple of hours if you don't have time today
[11:45:09 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I know you're super busy with documentation parade
[11:45:18 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> we're all super-busy with everything
[11:45:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we're going to crown anastasiac queen today
[11:45:28 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'd like have a go at it today
[11:45:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> look out, Justin_o
[11:45:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> a new ruler has arrived
[11:45:36 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[11:45:42 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac>
[11:46:14 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o>
[11:46:33 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac wrestled Justin_o for the sceptre
[11:46:56 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> and i lost
[11:46:59 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Justin_o: you should be careful - she trained and dangerous
[11:47:05 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac>
[11:47:33 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> boxing, tai chi and medieval swordsmanship!
[11:47:55 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> and aikido
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[12:21:21 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> anastasiac, colinclark: it looks like the paths in the anchors.html escalated test page were not updated properly
[12:21:54 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> Are these going to be included in the bundle, if yes then we should probably fix it now. If not, it can wait
[12:21:54 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> <cr**> my mistake, sorry
[12:28:16 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: no problem, do you know if we plan on including them in the release bundle
[12:28:46 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> good question, Justin_o
[12:28:56 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I would think they should NOT be included in the bundle
[12:29:14 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> but since the scripts are being rewritten, colinclark and michelled are in a better position to answer the question
[12:29:36 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay, thanks
[12:30:34 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colinclark, michelled: are the escalated tests going to be included in the release bundle. the paths for one of them weren't updated and I was wondering if this will be a blocker to the release or not.
[12:31:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> sorry, we're in a meeting
[12:31:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we'll respond in a sec
[12:31:51 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> no problem
[12:38:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fj4000: We are singing the tidy up song about the build scripts.
[12:38:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[12:39:08 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> lol
[12:39:19 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> dont forget to put your toys away
[12:39:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We are figuring out how to put our Antly toys away.
[12:59:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o, anastasiac: I don't see any reason why we should be shipping escalated tests with the release.
[13:00:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So I don't think it should be a blocker.
[13:00:32 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thats what anastasiac and I were thinking. thanks
[13:00:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It's not like anyone will actually want to use the Anchors test in our release.
[13:00:57 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i don't think so... anything else that you think might not be included
[13:20:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok, into the office. see you all soon
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[13:43:13 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Hello
[13:43:16 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I am I here now?
[13:43:27 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> hello
[13:45:53 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> Bosmo1: did you want to help with the testing?
[13:48:30 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> yes
[13:49:26 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thanks
[13:49:38 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i made you an empty task list on the release testing tasks page
[13:49:46 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Release+Testing+Tasks
[13:50:50 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> you can drag and drop tasks from the big list of available tasks into yours, and then check them off as you go
[13:50:51 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> cool
[13:51:10 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> How did this "app" get made, btw?
[13:51:16 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> is it some kind of standard ConFLUence thing?
[13:51:24 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yep
[13:51:56 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> it's a little buggy (sometimes you need to refresh the page) and with this many tasks it is slow
[13:55:39 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> just quickly updating the build site
[13:56:13 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> done
[14:04:22 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> anastasiac is my hero for fixing the Image Gallery build!
[14:05:37 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> The "Release Testing Tasks" page is actually unusable in Opera....
[14:05:52 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> it seems to generate so much garbage that it takes around 5 seconds just to service a mouse event....
[14:05:53 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> really... .that's interesting...what happens
[14:06:11 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> But I guess for a start this is Confluence code of 2 years back
[14:06:35 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes... we really do need to update
[14:07:12 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> oh i forgot to mention that you probably have to login to the wiki before you can do anything with the task lists...
[14:08:28 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> hmm it looks like it is working in opera for me... you may have to refresh the page... sometimes it is a little buggy
[14:09:29 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Well, it "works"
[14:09:34 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> But it is outrageously slow
[14:09:48 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> It takes forever even just to build the list of tasks
[14:11:16 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> It works fine in FF3...
[14:11:21 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> But then so do most things
[14:11:35 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> can't argue with that
[14:11:56 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> the task list is simply huge... i don't people expected it to be used with that many task
[14:13:10 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I'm still a bit lost
[14:13:23 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Should I find descriptions of these tasks? Should they be links?
[14:13:32 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> For example "Check Shipped Examples"
[14:14:53 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes... it can be a bit confusing
[14:14:56 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay.. here goes
[14:15:17 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> at the top of the page is a link to the testing fluid components page, which has all of the test plans
[14:15:23 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> for somethings there are no test plans
[14:15:24 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Yes
[14:15:46 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> So "Shipped Examples" has no test plan?
[14:15:47 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> for example the quick-start examples you just follow along from one of the component test plans
[14:15:53 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Do we even have a list of what comprises the shipped examples?
[14:16:05 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> right... getting to that... basically for that one you just need to make sure they load without errors and basically work
[14:16:22 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> they should all be linked to from the build site... some are in the manual test page
[14:16:42 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> the escalated tests won't ship though... so you don't need to test those ones
[14:17:13 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> is that clearer... or is it still confusing
[14:18:05 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> the "Check Shipped Examples" is basically just there as a reminder to make sure that all of the html docs that are shipped get tested
[14:18:19 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Should I see a a link to the base of the build site, on "Testing Fluid Components"?
[14:19:11 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> no it is on the testing tasks page
[14:19:15 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> build.fluidproject.org
[14:19:26 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> the test plans have links to the specified files though
[14:22:01 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> ok
[14:23:12 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I am sorry to be so dense
[14:23:20 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> But I still have no real sense what is designated by "Shipped Examples"
[14:23:24 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Can we make this a bit more clear?
[14:23:44 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yah... it's pretty much everything on the build site except for the escalated tests
[14:23:51 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> This excludes, or includes "Specific Component Examples"?
[14:24:02 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> "Quick-Start Examples"?
[14:24:05 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yep
[14:24:08 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> "Integration Examples"?
[14:24:11 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yep
[14:24:14 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> ...
[14:24:21 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> ALL of these comprise "Shipped Examples"?
[14:24:25 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes
[14:24:39 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i should probably have called it... bundled html files or something like that
[14:25:00 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i'm not really sure of a quick concise name for it
[14:25:22 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Well
[14:25:26 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> It doesn't really matter what it is called
[14:25:33 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> So long as there is some way of finding out what it is
[14:26:10 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yep... i sent an e-mail out the other day to explain some of these... and that was on there... not sure if the explanation was that good though... i actually don't even remember what I wrote about it?
[14:26:22 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> oops... wrong punctuation
[14:27:20 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> anyways... in simple terms, it is everything that is linked to from the build site except 1) the continuum build server 2) Demo uPortal site 3) the escalated tests
[14:34:47 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1>
[14:34:54 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I can't make this interface work at all... even in FF3
[14:34:58 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> How does one add a task to oneself?
[14:35:23 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> if you click on the add task button at the top of your list you can type it into a textfield and then save it
[14:35:33 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> ?
[14:35:41 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> How does it relate to the list of available tasks at the left?
[14:35:55 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Ah
[14:35:59 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Now I see I can drag things
[14:36:10 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes.. that is the easiest way
[14:36:42 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> you may have to pause between drag operations though... because it is actually writing wiki markup in the background for this
[14:41:32 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I finally succeeded in assigning a task to myself
[14:41:40 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> It pegged the CPU at 100% for around 30 seconds...
[14:42:04 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Luckily the code in our own samples is much more efficient
[14:45:30 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes... that is pretty bad... and it's like that in pretty much all browsers
[14:49:27 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I guess this is a new task for component development
[14:49:34 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> To follow on from the glorious success of the Progress Bars
[14:50:03 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yah... i have to fix those too though, they are kind of broken at the moment
[14:50:06 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Hi all, should we be calling the "Progress" component, the "Progressor" component to match "Pager" and "Uploader", etc-er
[14:50:57 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> Bosmo1: what would make something like this task list hard to make is the persistence aspect
[14:51:09 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I'm sorry I brought it up... probably too late... and probably unnecessary
[14:51:26 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Well
[14:51:34 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> It would be a good test of our capabilities for Fluid Engage
[14:51:49 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> Bosmo1: that's a good point actually
[14:52:27 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: not sure.. in the code it is just Progress ?
[14:54:14 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: it is... so it's probably fine. I ask because I'm repurposing the Uploader documentation for Progress and I find myself changing the grammer to match the name of the component. Anyway this is just a distraction from testing... please ignore me.
[14:54:37 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: okay
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[14:57:17 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> fj4000: Are you there?
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[15:03:54 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> Bosmo1: he's speaking with colin right now
[15:16:10 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yup
[15:21:24 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> Bosmon1: whats up? Sorry bout that
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[15:30:04 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I am here now.
[16:04:37 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> hi
[16:04:41 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> fj4000: Still there?
[16:05:01 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: he's talking to colin again
[16:17:37 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> Bosmon: heya
[16:28:04 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> I guess it is nothing important for now
[16:28:11 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> I was just looking at the Reorderer quick start
[16:28:18 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> And I am wondering if the drop target stuff has regresse
[16:28:18 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> d
[16:28:23 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Since it seems to look bad even in FF3 now
[16:28:32 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> It also looks a little different, in the different themes...
[16:38:04 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yes, im not sure how they degraded, but then I was never happy with how they looked to begin with
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