fluid-work IRC Logs-2013-03-01

[09:07:26 CST(-0600)] <jhung> justin_o, michelled, cindyli, anastasiac - I've done some IE8 testing for video player and the experience is pretty poor for keyboard.

[09:07:38 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac>

[09:07:41 CST(-0600)] <jhung> Here are some of the issues:

[09:07:43 CST(-0600)] <jhung> - Keyboard scrubbing doesn't work (left and right doesn't move bar)

[09:07:43 CST(-0600)] <jhung> - Keyboard muting causes focus to bounce to the Transcript button

[09:07:43 CST(-0600)] <jhung> - Keyboard activating the the Video Player container doesn't play the video

[09:07:43 CST(-0600)] <jhung> - Activating invisible full-screen button would remove VP from tab order upon returning to normal view

[09:07:43 CST(-0600)] <jhung> - Frequently keyboard activating the video player container would open/close the UIO panel instead

[09:08:27 CST(-0600)] <jhung> All these issues add up to an experience that feels broken.

[09:08:33 CST(-0600)] <jhung> or at least very sloppy.

[09:10:46 CST(-0600)] <jhung> So I'm wondering what our options are? Do we hold back release to fix these issues? Release but state that keyboard for IE8 is somewhat broken? Or maybe drop IE8 all together?

[09:12:48 CST(-0600)] <jhung> I'm reposting because justin_o dropped from the channel.

[09:12:48 CST(-0600)] <jhung> justin_o, michelled, cindyli, anastasiac - I've done some IE8 testing for video player and the experience is pretty poor for keyboard.

[09:12:48 CST(-0600)] <jhung> Here are some of the issues:

[09:12:48 CST(-0600)] <jhung> - Keyboard scrubbing doesn't work (left and right doesn't move bar)

[09:12:49 CST(-0600)] <jhung> - Keyboard muting causes focus to bounce to the Transcript button

[09:12:49 CST(-0600)] <jhung> - Keyboard activating the the Video Player container doesn't play the video

[09:12:50 CST(-0600)] <jhung> - Activating invisible full-screen button would remove VP from tab order upon returning to normal view

[09:12:50 CST(-0600)] <jhung> - Frequently keyboard activating the video player container would open/close the UIO panel instead

[09:12:51 CST(-0600)] <jhung> All these issues add up to an experience that feels broken.

[09:12:52 CST(-0600)] <jhung> or at least very sloppy.

[09:12:53 CST(-0600)] <jhung> So I'm wondering what our options are? Do we hold back release to fix these issues? Release but state that keyboard for IE8 is somewhat broken? Or maybe drop IE8 all together?

[09:14:34 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jhung, here's a question: why are you even able to activate the invisible full-screen button? If full-screen works, why is the button invisible, and if it doesn't work, why can you tab to it? (I guess that's more than one question)

[09:15:00 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> an yes, it sounds like it feels broken

[09:15:02 CST(-0600)] <jhung> It's in the tab order.

[09:15:08 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> does full-screen work?

[09:15:12 CST(-0600)] <jessm> jhung: before we make a decision we should post this to list if it hasn't been already

[09:15:14 CST(-0600)] <jhung> No. It's broken.

[09:15:28 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: i think it's the flash object that is doing

[09:15:29 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> so it should be taken out of the tab order

[09:15:30 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> it

[09:16:01 CST(-0600)] <jhung> jessm: will do.

[09:16:29 CST(-0600)] <jhung> jessm: we won't decide anything currently. Just discussing.

[09:17:01 CST(-0600)] <jhung> anastasiac: yes. That should fix it. But the other issues?

[09:17:29 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> yeah, i don't know, that was just a question that struck me off the bat.

[09:17:42 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> As a start, we should probably file JIRAs for each of these issues, if they're not already filed

[09:17:56 CST(-0600)] <jhung> Maybe someone else give it a run through IE8 and see if it's as bad as I think?

[09:18:31 CST(-0600)] <jhung> anastasiac: I think most are already documented. I'll check.

[09:24:32 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> jhung: i was testing the scrubber issue with the keyboard

[09:24:43 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> so it seems to get stuck around 8seconds

[09:24:49 CST(-0600)] <jhung> yeah

[09:24:54 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> but i can get it to work if i play the video

[09:24:56 CST(-0600)] <jhung> I'm making a jira for that now.

[09:25:02 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> jhung: okay

[09:25:03 CST(-0600)] <jhung> ok

[09:27:53 CST(-0600)] <jhung> justin_o posted http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/VP-284

[09:29:33 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> jhung: added a comment

[09:29:57 CST(-0600)] <jhung> ok

[09:32:42 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> jhung: i'm getting a different issue for mute/unmute

[09:32:52 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> i can use it with the keyboard just fine, if i'm using the space key

[09:32:59 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> however if i push enter, uio opens

[09:33:26 CST(-0600)] <jhung> Yay. I'm getting that now too!

[09:33:49 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> jhung: isn't that just so bizarre

[09:34:36 CST(-0600)] <jhung> Justin_o: If you mute with space bar. Pressing Enter on it after will open UIO.

[09:34:47 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> jhung: i think i've reproduced all your issues and have mentioned all the variations here

[09:34:51 CST(-0600)] <jhung> but if you mute with Enter, focus is pushed to transcript.

[09:35:08 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> jhung: i never get that.. enter always opens uio for me

[09:35:24 CST(-0600)] <jhung> Yeah. You have to clear your cache.

[09:35:30 CST(-0600)] <jhung> Somehow the UIO focus is being cached.

[09:36:28 CST(-0600)] <michelled> jhung: unfortunately we can't drop IE8 entirely

[09:36:30 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> jhung: i did, and tried again, but same problem

[09:36:40 CST(-0600)] <michelled> but I'm wondering if anyone has stats for the IDI site

[09:36:40 CST(-0600)] <jhung> :/

[09:36:41 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> i never get pushed to transcripts.. not that it's much better

[09:37:17 CST(-0600)] <michelled> perhaps we can make IE8 keyboard a11y 0.2? depending on whether we have anyone actually using IE8 on the IDI site? is this crazy?

[09:38:06 CST(-0600)] <jhung> michelled: I think we should ask the community once we have a list of alternatives.

[09:38:15 CST(-0600)] <jhung> 1. Drop IE8

[09:38:21 CST(-0600)] <jhung> 2. Drop IE 8 keyboard a11y

[09:38:29 CST(-0600)] <jhung> 3. Hold back release and fix

[09:38:42 CST(-0600)] <jhung> 4. ?

[09:39:46 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> jhung: sure lets send something to list with our options.. I guess it would be more around.. release anyways and defer these fixes to 0.2 or fix some now and hold off the release

[09:39:47 CST(-0600)] <jhung> justin_o: did you comment on the relevant jiras? (re: mute/enter/space focus issue?)

[09:40:09 CST(-0600)] <jhung> ok Justin_o I'll do that.

[09:40:14 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> jhung: not this latest one..

[09:40:14 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> thanks

[10:44:08 CST(-0600)] <jhung> justin_o: I sent the email to the list at 11:07am. Have other people received it?

[10:44:21 CST(-0600)] <jessm> yes