fluid-work IRC Logs-2013-03-12

[09:25:40 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: I have continued working on FLUID-4931 and made the changes you recommended on the jira. Here's a link to the diff of my branch https://github.com/jobara/infusion/compare/fluid-project:master...FLUID-4931

[10:02:57 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Hi michelled

[10:03:06 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> you were asking me a question on IM

[10:03:13 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> which I didn't totally understand

[10:03:20 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> but it sounded like channel chat

[10:04:06 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> hi colinclark, yzen1 and I need to make a simple preferences setting UI for Cloud for All

[10:04:26 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> we were wondering if we could get a little time from one of the designers to talk through what that should look like

[10:04:39 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Is this for the pilots, you mean?

[10:04:46 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> yep

[10:04:49 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Aha

[10:42:04 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Okay, so we're talking about a web page that allows pilot testers to create or edit a preferences set, right michelled and yzen?

[10:43:58 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> colinclark: yes

[10:44:05 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Ok

[10:44:45 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Given that it isn't designed as a long-term, user-friend UI, is it something you feel that you could whip up without design help, or do you feel that it is important to have some wireframes?

[10:46:12 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> ya michelled and I were chatting about that, probably not necessary

[10:51:45 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> fluid-everyone: dana, jvass, colinclark and I are meeting re: C4A designs after our UX meeting

[10:51:50 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> sorry we missed standup

[11:43:11 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o arashs colinclark looks ilke we're on to something w the icon fonts. http://alistapart.com/article/the-era-of-symbol-fonts

[11:44:18 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> The point about ligatures is really key

[11:44:44 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I think one of the icon fonts posted to fluid-work used this technique, and I think it's ultimately what we want to look for in a font-generating tool

[11:44:55 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> So that one could actually map an icon to real, meaningful text

[11:45:07 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Say, if you had a "Next" icon

[11:45:17 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> you could actually map that icon to the string "next"

[11:45:44 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> yes, i like that

[11:46:12 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> It could make certain kinds of transformations beautifully simple

[11:46:23 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> e.g. "I prefer text alternatives to images"

[11:46:30 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> UIO switches the font, and we're done

[11:46:30 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> this one http://symbolset.com/

[11:46:32 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> or vice versa

[11:46:44 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> yes, that's the one, heidiv. Thanks for digging it up!

[11:47:00 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> v cool

[11:47:39 CDT(-0500)] <arashs> cool

[11:48:51 CDT(-0500)] <arashs> maybe that option could be linked to simplify

[11:49:08 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> arashs i'm not sure if icomoon font generator allows one to add ligatures

[11:49:33 CDT(-0500)] <arashs> no I don't think so

[11:49:54 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> We should do some research to see if there are any available that do support ligatures

[11:50:43 CDT(-0500)] <arashs> I can do that colinclark

[11:52:00 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Thanks!

[11:55:00 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark, arashs: i think you might be able to do it with font forge http://code.newtypography.co.uk/creating-contextual-ligatures-in-fontforge/

[11:55:29 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> http://fontforge.org

[11:57:05 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark, arashs, heidiv: actually icomoon does support ligatures http://keyamoon.com/?p=186

[11:57:23 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> oh, sweet

[11:57:47 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> looks like IE is a problem, as usual

[11:59:22 CDT(-0500)] <arashs> I tried that with the font I sent you Justin_o

[11:59:35 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> which one?

[11:59:38 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> or all?

[11:59:46 CDT(-0500)] <arashs> for chat

[12:09:24 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> arashs: okay.. i'll try that one out

[12:09:50 CDT(-0500)] <arashs> Justin_o: thanks

[12:48:29 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: i did a small test with the font icons with a screen reader and they seem fine.. the only issue is that they didn't show up at all in IE

[12:48:35 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> have you tried it all there?

[12:48:53 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o arashs is testing in diff browsers. i haven't tried

[12:49:01 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: i was helping him with that

[12:49:15 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> most of our icons will likely be hidden from AT

[12:49:18 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> as decorative

[12:49:26 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> something is funny with IE then.. the icomoon site works

[12:49:28 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> tho i guess things like 'next' and such won't

[12:49:35 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: actually that's the problem.. the icons don't show up

[12:50:02 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: yes.. some aren't just presentational

[12:50:19 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: by the way, i had the problem with the index.html file that was generated from the site

[12:50:29 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> the ligature doesn't show up either?

[12:50:56 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o i believe that file just demo's what's in your fonts. i didn't use it

[12:51:08 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> oh, that's what didn't work in IE you mean?

[12:53:08 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: yes

[12:53:25 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> and i made my own based off of it so that i could test the screen reader

[12:53:29 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> same problem

[12:53:45 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> but ligature shows?

[12:54:27 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: nope

[12:54:36 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> that's odd

[12:54:36 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> do you want to screen share for a minute and i can show you what i'm running into

[12:54:43 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> sure

[14:16:56 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> http://caniuse.com/#search=font-feature-settings

[14:20:42 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> i believe the link i sent is referring to support for ligatures

[15:37:55 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: i have a question for you about the renderer

[15:38:35 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> if i want to make custom radio buttons that don't use actual radio button inputs (for styling purposes). can i still use the proto tree expander for select inputs

[15:38:43 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> and will it manage the auto binding for me?

[15:38:54 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - what do they use instead

[15:39:41 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o i think you'll just style the label and hide the dots, right? so still actual radio buttons

[15:48:02 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: that's a good idea actually..

[15:48:09 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> maybe not as dire as i thought

[15:48:12 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o here's an ex http://devgrow.com/iphone-style-switches/

[15:48:33 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: funny.. i looked at that, but didn't clue it

[15:48:34 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> in

[15:48:43 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv>

[15:59:04 CDT(-0500)] <kasper> Hi colinclark

[16:01:39 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> hey kasper!

[16:01:41 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> you're still awake!

[16:02:24 CDT(-0500)] <kasper> well - awake might be an exaggeration - but more or less alive

[16:02:55 CDT(-0500)] <kasper> colinclark: I'm looking at Javiers pull request - it has a dependency on node 0.71

[16:03:03 CDT(-0500)] <kasper> oops, node 0.7.1

[16:03:24 CDT(-0500)] <kasper> I take it we dont have any issue bumping our dependency to that?

[16:03:33 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> What's the nature of the dependency?

[16:04:05 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I think in general most of us are developing and testing on the 0.8.x line of Node.js, but we need to keep in mind that sgithens is still stuck on Node 0.6.x on Android

[16:04:25 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> so we don't want to do anything that requires > 0.6.x on all platforms

[16:04:41 CDT(-0500)] <kasper> colinclark: he's dependent on a file existing .. so he's using fs.existsSync (search fs.exists on http://nodejs.org/changelog.html)

[16:04:41 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> It's fine for settings handlers, other platform-specific code, etc.

[16:04:51 CDT(-0500)] <kasper> ok - this is a linux specific issue

[16:04:55 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Go for it

[16:04:58 CDT(-0500)] <kasper> cool