fluid-work IRC Logs-2011-04-04

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[09:04:05 CDT(-0500)] <Dae-ekleN> hello
[09:04:32 CDT(-0500)] <Dae-ekleN> greggy: are you mentor for ATutor Instructor/Administrator Mobile Theme?
[09:05:35 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> hey Dae-ekleN you can prob catch greggy and other atutor folk in #atutor i have the server for that room as irc.oftc.net
[09:06:08 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> n/m i see you're in there already!
[09:06:13 CDT(-0500)] <Dae-ekleN> heidi_: thank you
[09:06:29 CDT(-0500)] <Dae-ekleN> sorry, just mixed them
[09:06:37 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> np
[09:10:12 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> hey cindyli , not sure when you'll be working on fss again, but i'm noticing that fl-list-menu doesn't have a style for an "active" or menu item. i think that'd be good to add as well.
[09:10:47 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> heidi_: ok
[09:13:27 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> cindyli i'm also noticing that when you click on or tab to a list-menu item, it gets scrollbars from the overflow:auto :|
[09:14:22 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> cindyli when a theme is applied. i'll add my notes to the list-menu jira
[09:15:03 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> or maybe create a new one for these issues, but you might want to tackle them all at once. i'll add it to the roadmap
[09:28:03 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> cindyli i added a couple more list-menu items to the roadmap, you might want to look at when yr working on the horizontal list styles
[09:30:06 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> sure. thx, heidi_
[10:42:33 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana_> Hi folks
[10:44:12 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> I was wondering if I could talk to somebody about my ideas for the video player for GSOC
[10:44:29 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> hey lahabana
[10:44:30 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1>
[10:44:33 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> hi
[10:44:43 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> how are u avipar?
[10:45:06 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> good … working on the gsoc
[10:45:09 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> how about you
[10:45:13 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> yes me too
[10:45:17 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> just back from uni
[10:45:22 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> did you come up with something good
[10:45:23 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> aah
[10:45:37 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> hmm yes my ideas are quite clear now
[10:45:43 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> aah thats nice
[10:45:44 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> and I've got a draft of proposal
[10:45:54 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1>
[10:45:55 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> would like to get a bit of feedback
[10:46:03 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> hmm yaa
[10:46:04 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> but seems like everybody is away..
[10:46:06 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> that woudl be nice
[10:46:08 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> seems so
[10:48:55 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> ho btw
[10:49:03 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> did u have a look at WebVTT?
[10:49:26 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> aah it looks promising
[10:49:29 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> it's what W3C is developing for captions and audio description
[10:49:29 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> let me dig in more
[10:49:36 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> aah ohhk
[10:49:58 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> there's cool video from the responsible of the taskforce on youtube
[10:50:04 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoYvr-KXvLs
[10:50:34 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> aah this is interesting
[10:50:35 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> i am onto it
[10:51:11 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> yes so sad it's not already out
[10:51:19 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> they are still on working draft
[10:51:27 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> i knoww… they are trying on onr
[10:51:28 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> so no browser support ftm
[10:51:29 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> one8
[10:51:30 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> yaaa
[10:51:59 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> except I think that FF got the caption simple support
[10:52:45 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> ohh it has it alrready ?
[10:52:47 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> ff4 ?
[10:52:51 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> yes
[10:52:55 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> not 100% sure
[10:53:00 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> think I read it somewhere
[10:53:15 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> aah mm must be in alpha form or something
[10:53:56 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> no it's opera 10 who's got it
[10:54:17 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> aah sad opera has a small userbase :/
[10:54:27 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> but they do have great support
[10:55:53 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> http://dev.mennerich.name/showroom/html5_video/
[10:56:00 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> this is good too
[10:56:21 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> yes they do lots of stuffs they deserve more users
[10:56:29 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> the WebVTT looks very promising but sadly is not done yet
[10:57:11 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> yes
[10:58:39 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> but there are some good ideas in the spec and the video
[10:58:52 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> yaa indeed
[10:58:55 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> it is nice !
[10:59:45 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> apparently the track element seems to be quite well supported by browsers
[11:00:01 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> cause they use it in that leanback player
[11:00:18 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> track element is already suported in HTML5 right ?
[11:00:19 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> and claim it's working on Mozilla Firefox (3.6.x), Opera Browser (10.x + 11.x), Google Chrome (7, 8), Apple Safari (5.0.x MacOS X, 5.0.x Windows + Quicktime Plugin), Microsoft Internet Explorer 9 (Beta)
[11:00:27 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> yes
[11:00:30 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> aaah
[11:01:00 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> but apparently not by old IE
[11:01:51 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> aah yaa anyway they dont support …might need to have a way around those
[11:03:37 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> yes
[11:03:45 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> the good old dirty span
[11:05:28 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> well quite sad nobody's here..
[11:06:31 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> lahabana__ ppl are here! do you have a specific question?
[11:07:05 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> hmm I'd like to know who I could give my draft of proposal
[11:07:15 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> for discussing and having feedback...
[11:07:39 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> which project are you applying for?
[11:07:59 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> the video player one on fluid
[11:08:12 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> I talked about it for a bit to colinclark last week
[11:08:37 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> yes i think he's the mentor for that project
[11:09:06 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> yes that's what he told me...
[11:09:21 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> shall I send a mail through the mailing list?
[11:09:53 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> lahabana__: it depends on what you're trying to do/get
[11:10:02 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> lahabana__: can you tell us all a bit about what you're looking to do?
[11:10:13 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> Hmm ok
[11:10:27 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> Avipar1: have you gotten in touch with the mentor for the GSoC project you're interested in?
[11:10:47 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> I've been looking through web while beginning a bit with Fluid
[11:11:13 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> and found quite a lot of interesting stuffs about accessibility for video players
[11:11:33 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> and I things there are 3 kinds of handicaps we could focus on
[11:11:48 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> blind or not seeing well people
[11:11:56 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> deaf or hearing impared
[11:12:02 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> and physical disability
[11:12:17 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> lahabana__: have a look at this page: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/User+states+and+contexts
[11:12:45 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> jessm: yess i have …i had a conversation with him last week...
[11:13:32 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> but yaa would like to have a overview feedback of the proposal
[11:13:47 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> lahabana__: our approach to "disability" is a little different – we define disability as a mismatch between technology and individual needs so we take the approach of designing "inclusively" for everyone
[11:14:11 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> yes that was my point too
[11:14:35 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> The thing is that I want to make a really scalable thing
[11:14:48 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> that everybody could easily change to what they need
[11:14:59 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> Avipar1: who did you speak with and which project is it you're interested in?
[11:15:09 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> lahabana__: ok
[11:15:46 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> I think that a really great thing would be if the users could for eg export settings they put on a video
[11:15:56 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> and load it back in other videos
[11:15:57 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> colin clark and the same project HTML5 videoplayer syncing
[11:16:07 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> ah, ok
[11:16:25 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> so he could get the closest settings with 2 clicks
[11:16:51 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> or even automatically with browser extensions...
[11:17:31 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> so in the end for example somebody who always needs audio description won't have to find where to do it...
[11:17:41 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> it would be done automatically
[11:18:01 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> aah
[11:18:03 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> (Y)
[11:18:53 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> also I don't know what you think about that but I think that it should be able to deal with many formats of captions, cause there are 1000 of them all in use atm
[11:19:32 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> lahabana__: your best bet is to try to ping colinclark and see if he has some time
[11:19:42 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> ok then
[11:20:06 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> cause the it seems like he works on weekdays no?
[11:20:12 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> and I'm at uni then
[11:20:22 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> so I'm finding issues contacting him...
[11:21:03 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> lahabana__: he's usually online during the day – during business hours, but he's a busy guy, so i recommend sticking around to find him
[11:21:35 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> or emailing him
[11:21:53 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> ok
[11:22:06 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> I guess I can find his email somewhere on the web...
[11:22:10 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> cheers for the help
[11:22:17 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> lahabana__: I'm here, I'm just in a meeting
[11:22:19 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm sorry to be so busy
[11:22:23 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'd love to look at your proposal
[11:22:29 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'll send along my email address privately
[11:22:29 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> cheers
[11:22:37 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> ok
[11:22:48 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I look forward to the prospect of working with both you and Avipar1 on the video player
[11:22:51 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> it's on google docs so I can just give u the link
[11:22:52 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> it could be really awesome
[11:23:11 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> yes seems like we both have good ideas
[11:23:21 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> yay !!
[11:23:23 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> would be really nice
[11:23:53 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> thanks
[11:26:33 CDT(-0500)] <Avipar1> colinclark: did you get a chance to skim thru my proposal ?
[11:29:24 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Avipar1: I'm going to look more closely at the proposals today or tomorrow, and I'll get back to you. I did skim it, and it looked good
[13:09:14 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: hello
[13:09:39 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o hey
[13:09:50 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: just looking at FLUID-3880
[13:10:07 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> since i think we can get it done now.. just updating with the decision from the FSS talk
[13:10:30 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> so i think we decided on something like change focus from being global to being something that a user can set where needed. ".fl-focus :focus {}"
[13:11:03 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> but would we want the focus styling to also apply to the element that .fl-focus is placed on .. or just it's descendants
[13:11:05 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> yes, or use :focus {} in a specific theme (but none of ours i don't think)
[13:11:05 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: ^
[13:11:32 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o i would imagine the thing its on and its decendants
[13:12:19 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay.. so something like .fl-focus:focus, .fl-focus :focus {}
[13:22:06 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o looks right
[13:29:49 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o for other reset files YUI or others... can you see what they set "list-style" to? i'm not sure why we have disc outside (the bullets are outside the element)
[13:30:01 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> no rush, just if you're looking at others
[13:30:25 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: okay.. i'll let you know
[13:30:50 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> thanks
[13:33:03 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: eric myers sets it to none http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/css/reset/
[13:33:35 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o i guess it is a 'base' setting not a reset
[13:34:20 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: yes.. i was thinking that too
[13:34:26 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> since it's set to none at the top
[13:35:01 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> yeah. just wondering why 'outside' - it's kind of problematic when linearizing
[13:35:11 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> the bullets are outside the container
[13:35:16 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: oh really.. interesting..
[13:35:16 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> ah
[13:35:32 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> so i wonder if linearization should change that setting then?
[13:35:33 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> 'inside' is default i think
[13:35:53 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> maybe, but be good to know what it's like that at all as base
[13:36:01 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> *why
[13:37:24 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o if you have some time this afternoon can you check in with the linear work i'm doing... make sure i'm on the right track. be good to hear your thoughts!
[13:38:35 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: sure no problem.. in a few minutes maybe
[13:38:56 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: by the way, did you know that we override :focus in the themes?
[13:39:05 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o rad, i just updated my github with the latest. esp interested in your thoughts on the width issue. i've separated it out as an additional style layer
[13:39:25 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o all themes? do they use !important ?
[13:40:00 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: looks like it is all themes
[13:40:07 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> and no, they don't use !important
[13:40:34 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> i suppose we can just change the method of override... i don't think we want the theme to change focus to everything
[13:41:11 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o we should prob changes the themes to use fl-focus as well instead of :focus
[13:41:34 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> unless it's a special case like we talked about at the meeting... where you want a fairly strong theme for keyboard users or something
[13:48:39 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: agreed... i'm updating all those files
[13:48:48 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> i'll have a branch for it soon
[13:48:57 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> cool
[13:58:09 CDT(-0500)] <harriswong> GSoC Students: A few of our fellow GSoC mentors around the globe had written up a "DOs an DON'Ts" for students. I strongly encourage students here to take a few minutes to read it: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/03/dos-and-donts-of-google-summer-of-code.html
[14:10:52 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: i've pushed some changes up for FLUID-3880 to my github repo
[14:11:03 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> did you want to look at it while i look at the linearization one?
[14:11:54 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o sure. i'll check it out now
[14:12:12 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: thanks
[14:12:21 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> what was the name of the branch you were working on again,
[14:12:23 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> ?
[14:12:32 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_ 4150
[14:14:22 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: thank
[14:14:24 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> thanks
[14:15:11 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: when was the last time you updated it?
[14:15:28 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o ah shoot, one sec
[14:15:46 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o k now try. didn't push
[14:15:54 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: ah okay
[14:17:08 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o so instead of those 3 choices, i'm going to change it to 2 choices (original and single column) where the single column will have it's own choices for width and alignment.
[14:17:19 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> make sense?
[14:17:56 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: haven't seen it yet.. one second
[14:18:09 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> I had a merge conflict so i just blew away my old checkout of your branch
[14:18:47 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o oh i hope i added the jquery stuff (i'm using jquery ui tabs)
[14:19:54 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> hey guys just a question about the page UX walkthrough protocols and checklists
[14:20:27 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> in the part about heuristic principles and navigation with tab key
[14:20:39 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> it's said "Is content easily accessible and not secondary to navigational "chrome"?"
[14:20:51 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> what does chrome actually means in that case?
[14:21:11 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> lahabana__: Do you have a link to the page?
[14:21:18 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> I imagine it means the browser chrome.
[14:21:27 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/UX+Walkthrough+Protocols+and+Checklists
[14:21:33 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o jquery is there, should be fine.
[14:21:47 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> on the left part in heuristic protocols
[14:25:51 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> I thought about chrome but don't see what's so special about chrome's tab navigation...
[14:26:00 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> lahabana__: i believe jameswy is correct about that refering to the browser chrome
[14:26:28 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> ok then I'll do some test to see what chrome's tab navigation is like
[14:26:34 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> thx for the help
[14:34:33 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> lahabana__: just to clear somethings up
[14:34:43 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> we don't mean the "Chrome" browser
[14:35:02 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> ho yes I just got it
[14:35:24 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> I'm stupid sometimes
[14:35:51 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> and it's actually probably referring to not necessarily the browser's ui, but the ui surrounding the content.
[14:36:18 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> yes I got that part
[14:36:37 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> it's like the way you go through menus by pressing tab no?
[14:36:49 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> so is it easy to access the content you want... for example.. do i have to hit the tab key dozens of times to get in and out of some widget
[14:37:00 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> lahabana__: yes.. something like that
[14:37:42 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> justin_o: ok thx for the help
[14:38:07 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> lahabana__: sure.. no problem.. sorry about the confusion earlier
[14:38:31 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana__> was my fault
[14:39:20 CDT(-0500)] <yura_> Justin_o: I am currently trying to use jQuery/fluid tooltip but it seems to be not working on elements that are disabled. Do you know if this is a known issue ?
[14:41:07 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> yura_: i don't think so.. what are you trying to do exactly
[14:41:09 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> ?
[14:41:36 CDT(-0500)] <yura_> well we have a ui where we want to show a tooltip with an explanation why some button/control is disabled
[14:41:45 CDT(-0500)] <yura_> so only over the disabled element
[14:41:58 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> ah okay
[14:42:17 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> hmm.. not sure... do you have an example of the code
[14:42:24 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> i'm wondering if the events are firing or something
[14:43:01 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> yura_: ^
[14:44:55 CDT(-0500)] <yura_> well I am pretty sure its a jquery tooltip issue , i actually have another one related to this, but in the other case my tooltip is displayed but out side of the screen, i guess. So I wonder if you know whether I have to overwrite the position default or it usually works with defaults
[14:44:59 CDT(-0500)] <yura_> Justin_o: ^
[14:45:42 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> yura_: the positioning is a bit of a pain
[14:45:44 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> or can be
[14:46:11 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> are you using the wrapper or the tooltip directly?
[14:46:19 CDT(-0500)] <yura_> but is it explicitly set to something other than defaults in pager or inline edit for example?
[14:46:26 CDT(-0500)] <yura_> fluid.tooltip
[14:47:23 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> yura_: okay.. and what is it that you are using, for the position?
[14:48:02 CDT(-0500)] <yura_> i tried defaults and also the one relative to the element that the tooltip is attached to
[15:04:07 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> is anyone around?
[15:15:01 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> thealphanerd: hello
[15:15:12 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> harriswong: try the daily build site now?
[15:15:14 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> hows it going?
[15:15:29 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> thealphanerd: not too bad, how are you doing.. welcome to the fluid-work channel
[15:15:30 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I'm an OCAD student and stumbled across the GSOC offerings you guys have
[15:16:01 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> thealphanerd: oh great...
[15:16:03 CDT(-0500)] <harriswong> Justin_o: Nice, i am getting the errors now. thanks.
[15:16:23 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> harriswong: it's ironic that you're happy to see errors
[15:16:46 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> thealphanerd: did any of the GSoC projects interst you.. or just interested in what we're doing in general?
[15:16:51 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> justin_o: are you accepting applications for students from around the world... or are you looking for local students?
[15:16:56 CDT(-0500)] <harriswong> Justin_o: Lol
[15:17:46 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> thealphanerd: both i guess... GSoC is open to people in most countries
[15:17:52 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> justin_o: my major issue is that my coding chops may not be entirely up to par..
[15:18:45 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I can get by with html... and know enough CSS / PHP / JS to read code and make changes... but I am by no means a developer in those languages (yet)
[15:19:50 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I'm interested in the various html5 projects you have going on... as I wanted to spend the summer getting more familiar with web development and standards...
[15:22:06 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> thealphanerd: ah okay.. I'm sure there's room for some mentorship in those areas. Also you are welcome to propose another project/topic. I guess you could think of something that may be a bit more design based but still has a code component.. maybe for rapid prototyping
[15:22:25 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I have a project I want to develop this summer
[15:22:30 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> for generative music
[15:22:41 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> http://monome.org/
[15:22:46 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> thealphanerd: you should chat with colinclark
[15:22:47 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> for a new open source hardware controller
[15:22:59 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I'm one of the first 50 developers on the platform
[15:23:04 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> monome is super cool
[15:23:10 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> so I'm getting an arc4
[15:23:14 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> in a week
[15:23:22 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> that's great
[15:23:29 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I want to build abstractions and some generative applications
[15:23:40 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> but I havn't found any mentors to sponsor the project
[15:23:44 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I also have a 256 and a 64
[15:23:57 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> wow
[15:24:00 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> so I wanted to make a series of modular applications that can talk to each other
[15:24:07 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Cool, tell me more
[15:24:10 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> and possibly pitch in with a protocol called cross talk
[15:24:14 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> which is being developed
[15:24:28 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> The nice thing about GSoC is that you can make your own project proposal, so we could work with you to tailor something to your interest
[15:24:29 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> from audio / control data communication between max patch's
[15:24:31 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> kinda like an api
[15:24:40 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I've been working on an audio synthesis library built into the Web browser
[15:24:41 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I'm located in toronto
[15:24:46 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> using Firefox 4's AudioData APIs
[15:24:49 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> and I will already be working once a week in your building
[15:25:04 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> thealphanerd: Do you want to drop by our office this week and chat more about project ideas?
[15:25:06 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> interesting
[15:25:09 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> definitely!
[15:25:12 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> We're on the 2nd floor of 205 Richmond
[15:25:13 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I can bring by some samples as well
[15:25:17 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> sounds great
[15:25:25 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> !!!
[15:25:25 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd>
[15:25:26 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd>
[15:25:27 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd>
[15:25:41 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> are you around on thursday?
[15:25:48 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> or actually
[15:25:50 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Yep
[15:25:55 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Any time except around noonish
[15:26:01 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> so after 2 pm or before 12 pm
[15:26:01 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> sounds good
[15:26:11 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Does that time work for you?
[15:26:25 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Project proposals are due to Google by Friday, I think
[15:26:37 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> so if you're around earlier, that's fine too
[15:26:46 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark, thealphanerd : that works for me
[15:26:48 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I can swing by tomorrow morning
[15:26:54 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> if you think timing is crucial
[15:27:00 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Let me check the calendar
[15:27:05 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I have to be at school around 11:30
[15:27:09 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> we have a planning meeting for our new graduate program here at OCAD
[15:27:18 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> Graduate program eh?
[15:27:28 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> DFI?
[15:27:41 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Looks like any time before 1 pm is fine for me
[15:27:50 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> A new professional Masters in Inclusive Design
[15:27:51 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> thealphanerd: http://www.ocad.ca/about_ocad/articles/news_releases/20110131_mdes_inclusive_design_gradprogram_digitatfut.htm
[15:27:54 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I'm "Myles Borins"
[15:27:59 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> jsut so you know
[15:28:01 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> http://www.ocad.ca/programs/graduate_studies/inclusive_design.htm
[15:28:05 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> nice to meet you guys
[15:28:13 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Nice to meet you, Myles
[15:28:13 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I'll assume its colin / justin
[15:29:13 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I'm really felxible for GSOC
[15:29:18 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I really just want to learn / code
[15:29:26 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> yep
[15:29:56 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> thealphanerd: yes.. my real name is justin
[15:30:54 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I almost dropped by unannounced last thursday
[15:31:01 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> but I ran out of time
[15:31:35 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> (was in a meeting in the building)
[15:32:56 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> thealphanerd: that's too bad, but looking forward to seeing you tomorrow
[15:33:35 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> sounds good to me! I think I'll lurk in here for a little bit
[15:34:12 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> thealphanerd: no problem...
[15:35:03 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> thealphanerd: What time do you think you'll drop by?
[15:35:15 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I was thinking 10:45
[15:35:19 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> would that work for you?
[15:36:30 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> thealphanerd, colinclark : that works for me
[15:36:36 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> sure, sounds good
[15:37:05 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: sorry just getting to look at the linearization stuff..
[15:37:09 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> awesome... would you like me to bring anything to demo?
[15:37:16 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> what were you saying about condensing the options to 2 from 3
[15:38:06 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> thealphanerd: if it's not too much trouble i'd be interested in seeing something
[15:38:17 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> yeah so just two options: original layout and single-column. and then for single-column have mix/match options for width and alignment. so there's a fl-linear class, but then also width and alignment choices to add on. make sense?
[15:38:43 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: will there be some ui to select those things?
[15:39:09 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> yep
[15:39:35 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o i think it makes sense to layer it that way.
[15:40:06 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> thealphanerd: Bring whatever you think is cool and you are interested in making a GSoC around
[15:40:07 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> the tricky thing is that our optimal default would be 3 styles: the fl-linear, the 100% width, and the align left.... vs. one class. know what i mean?
[15:40:31 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: I think so
[15:40:44 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> but i think that's okay
[15:40:48 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> choice is better
[15:40:51 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o>
[15:41:07 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> colinclark: I'll bring my 256 then... and show you a synth I developing atm... and I can show you guys some of the protocol stuff for the arc
[15:41:16 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> looking forward to tomorrow!
[15:41:20 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I have to run for now
[15:41:22 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> but I'll see you then
[15:41:26 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> I think if we are going to keep these manual FSS tests around we should group them better in the file hierarchy
[15:41:43 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> just ask for you when I get there/
[15:41:51 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> sounds great
[15:41:52 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> see you then
[15:42:05 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> thealphanerd: yep... see you tomorrow
[15:43:02 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o yeah... seems we're developing a nice set of tests, and should organise
[15:43:19 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: the tabs are interesting
[15:43:26 CDT(-0500)] <pxl9> hi
[15:43:29 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> when they are linearized they have gaps between them
[15:43:32 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> pxl9: hello
[15:44:12 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o yeah. still some tweaking to do. what do you think should happen for tabs?
[15:44:42 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: i can see that you don't want to stack them.. i guess they should remain as is, in that case..
[15:44:50 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> the way they are grouped together that is
[15:45:02 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o yeah. and then align them if alignment is applied
[15:45:08 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: yep
[15:45:34 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o i liked the non-full-width version on the sample website
[15:45:39 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> i could see that being desirable
[15:46:35 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> i'm listening to alpha nerd on soundcloud now
[15:46:48 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: i was just doing that too
[15:46:54 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> sounds pretty awesome
[15:47:10 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> and yes.. i do like the way the non-full-width looks as well
[15:47:23 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> specifically for the menu
[15:47:32 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> yeah
[15:47:41 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o check out fss-layout
[15:48:35 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: okay.. anything in particular
[15:48:48 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o the width option.... name's not right?
[15:49:26 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> gotta fix alignments too - for align center it's more than just text align. will have to be margin-left and margin-right auto kinda thing instead
[15:51:45 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: ah interesting
[15:51:46 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay
[15:51:50 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> i'm not sure about the width one
[15:52:00 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> so this is an option that forces widths to always be 100%
[15:52:01 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> yeah so tricky
[15:52:06 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> on block elements
[15:52:24 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o yeah, was thinking having other choices might be useful, but is it?
[15:52:37 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> i also put min/max in with it, which prob isn't the best?
[15:52:43 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: i'm not sure... and they could probably just add it themselves if they need it
[15:52:55 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o for sure, i just mean for naming conventions
[15:53:13 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> vs something like fl-layout-width-uniform or something general
[15:54:16 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: yes.. i'm sort of thinking about the name
[15:54:26 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> i'm not sure if it fits.. although i'm not sure what's better
[15:54:34 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> it sort of feels like a container option
[15:54:43 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> but i guess it's much more than that
[15:55:40 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o yeah it's weird. fl-layout-linear-width-100 ? ha hmm
[15:55:43 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> but i feel like it could be something like .fl-container-flex-force100
[15:55:52 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> cos i don't know if it'd be used outside of linear?
[15:55:56 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> force is good
[15:56:27 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> it's more than the container tho - yr forcing most elements to be a certain size
[15:56:46 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: if you think it is only useful for fl-linear.. i wonder if we should also scope it to that
[15:57:01 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o i couldn't get it to work in scope - what am i missing?
[15:57:10 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> might be a specificity issue
[15:57:14 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> hmm.
[15:57:46 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> it's weird that it would work without it though.. since i would think it's more specific with the scoping
[15:57:46 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> but
[15:57:49 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> i could be wrong
[15:58:30 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> i'm wondering if it should be called fl-linear-forceFlex100
[15:58:33 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> or something like that
[15:58:36 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: ^
[15:58:47 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> fl-linear or fl-layout-linear
[15:59:01 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> or maybe
[15:59:09 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> fl-linearWidth-flex100
[15:59:17 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> which would be sort of like the old fl-linearEnabled
[15:59:50 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> fl-linearEnabled i'm scrapping... for now
[15:59:50 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> hmmm
[16:00:03 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> i think fl-layout-linear-forceFlex100
[16:00:03 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> would be too long
[16:00:20 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> fl-linear-width-flex100
[16:00:35 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> maybe fl-linear insinuates force?
[16:00:39 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> oyy
[16:00:48 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: could
[16:01:07 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> so the naming convention is fl-[thing][role][state]
[16:01:20 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o what do you think of sticking max/min in there? it's over-rideable (no important)
[16:01:27 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> so fl-layout-linear-flex
[16:01:35 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> that might be fine for 100%
[16:01:44 CDT(-0500)] <harriswong> Justin_o: this thread, #FLUID-4167 should probably be pulled with #FLUID-3878?
[16:01:48 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> seems too vague
[16:02:40 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> it's a bit vague the container one is fl-container-flex
[16:02:40 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> i guess the container part makes it clear
[16:02:40 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> actually
[16:02:40 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> how about
[16:02:43 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> fl-container-linearflex
[16:02:56 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> or fl-container-linear100
[16:03:01 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> or something along that line
[16:04:08 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> harriswong: not sure i follow
[16:06:25 CDT(-0500)] <harriswong> Justin_o: I thought this was related to FLUID-3878 but I checked again and I don't think it is. Nvm.
[16:07:00 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> harriswong: okay..
[16:07:10 CDT(-0500)] <harriswong> Justin_o: When should I request a pull request for FLUID-4163?
[16:07:59 CDT(-0500)] <harriswong> Justin_o: my bad FLUID-4167..
[16:08:03 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> harriswong: as soon as you are happy with it and think it's ready to move into the project repo
[16:08:23 CDT(-0500)] <harriswong> ok.
[16:08:49 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> harriswong: i figure the sooner the better, but no need to rush it
[16:10:35 CDT(-0500)] <harriswong> Justin_o: ok.
[16:23:02 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: was there anything else about linear that you wanted me to take a peak at?
[16:23:06 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> or did we cover it all?
[16:27:07 CDT(-0500)] <arun197> colinclark: Hiya! This is Arun from India. I am interested in working with you on Gsoc-fluid HTML5 video player project. I have sent a mail to you regarding this!
[16:27:53 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> HI arun197!
[16:27:55 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Thanks
[16:27:58 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I just saw your email
[16:28:05 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'll take a closer look at it soon and let you know
[16:28:13 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm glad you're interested in the project
[16:30:02 CDT(-0500)] <arun197> colinclark: Hi! Great to hear from you!
[16:31:10 CDT(-0500)] <arun197> colinclark: Sure! awsesome!
[16:39:20 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> Justin_o hey sorry. both my parents on the phone haha. let's chat about it tomorrow
[16:39:32 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidi_: no problem
[16:39:39 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> cool