fluid-work IRC Logs-2011-04-01
[01:10:49 CDT(-0500)] <anky> hi, i was interested in the idea of making custom themes for CMS for GSoC
[01:52:30 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> hi
[01:53:14 CDT(-0500)] <lahabana> have somebody noticed that you can't sign up for wiki.fluidproject.org anymore?
[08:01:58 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> Hello Michelle
[08:02:13 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> Did you like the proposal
[08:04:01 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> hi bhavya - I haven't had a chance to look at it yet
[08:04:09 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> ok sure
[08:04:27 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I'll e-mail you when I've had a chance
[08:04:44 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> that would be great, thanks...
[08:56:01 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> anastasiac: for the Reorderer API page (http://wiki.fluidproject.org/x/tQka) does it make sense to merge in the "Advanced Reorderer API" (http://wiki.fluidproject.org/x/Woo7) page too? I'm thinking they should be combined unless there's a reason to keep the documents apart.
[08:58:36 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> jhung, I think we've had this conversation before. I'm not 100% sure about merging: the "Reorderer API" page is actually not really an API page, it's a landing page with links to the actual API pages. I suppose what we should do is get rid of the landing page, rename "Advanced" to plain "Reorderer," and make sure the plain page mentions the particular flavours, and vice versa
[09:00:16 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> anastasiac: yes. I remember now. I think that makes sense. Want me to make those changes?
[09:00:56 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> jhung, sure - thanks!
[09:01:32 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> np. I'll ping you when it's done.
[09:03:05 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I'm trying to adopt michelled's practice of leaving code (in this case docs) in a better state than you found it.
[09:03:26 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> jhung, it's an excellent practice
[09:04:04 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> we're such good campers
[09:04:58 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> michelled: Yup. The radio turns off at 9am. Lights out at 10a.
[09:05:04 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> *pm
[09:05:05 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> lol
[09:05:13 CDT(-0500)] <michelled>
[09:10:34 CDT(-0500)] <clown> anastasiac: is this what you need? http://www.oaa-accessibility.org/examples/
[09:10:56 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> clown, I believe that's it - thanks!
[09:11:18 CDT(-0500)] <clown> anastasiac: no problem.
[09:25:13 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> anastasiac: done.
[09:26:23 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> jhung, great. Though I think the paragraph that starts "For specific the 4 pre-configurations..." could use another look?
[09:26:47 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Yep. okay.
[09:31:55 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> anastasiac: you on track to do some more doc sprint with moz today?
[09:32:11 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> jessm, yes, I'm on it now
[09:32:19 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> anastasiac: how rude, i should say good morning first!
[09:32:26 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> good morning
[09:32:32 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> anastasiac: cool-io then β ignore me and carry on
[09:38:56 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> cindyli: did you manage to work on ui options yesterday?
[09:39:43 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> michelled: not much. i was working on the atutor issue which has been done. working on ui options now
[09:40:54 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> ok, I'll come over there soon and we can work together
[09:41:37 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> ok. thx
[09:51:41 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> michelled: I have a git question. If I revert a branch to one earlier revision, and merge this branch revision with the latest source from the upstream master, then push it back into the branch, will this be a conflict in any way with the revision that i "skipped" over?
[09:52:14 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> mlam: I'm not sure - I've never tried that
[09:52:36 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> mlam: are you trying to get rid of one commit?
[09:53:02 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> Yes, the commit i'm trying to override is another commit made to update the branch with the upstream master
[09:53:14 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> it is just in your local repo?
[09:53:44 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> It's harriswong's repo, but in a branch
[09:54:12 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I'm not sure what will happen when you push back up to the master. I think it will be ok but I'd warn anyone else working on that branch
[09:54:17 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> they might have issues
[09:54:37 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> sorry, I meant when you push back up to the branch on github
[09:54:50 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> I was getting weird framework conflicts from merging, so I'm assuming the initial merge wasn't done properly.
[09:55:18 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> Ok, thanks michelled
[10:03:58 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> anastasiac, colinclark: we didn't quite finish our conversation in the channel yesterday about where to put the developer demos or examples in the repo
[10:04:11 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> should I create a directory called 'examples'
[10:04:17 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> or maybe 'codeExamples'
[10:04:52 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I'm tempted to call them 'underpantsExamples'
[10:05:32 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled, I have a branch in my github (4145) where I called the folder "examples"
[10:05:49 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> though I like "codeExamples" - a bit more informative
[10:06:08 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I prefer just plain "examples" myself
[10:06:27 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I will not remember the difference between examples and demos
[10:06:38 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: I guess that's sort of the point
[10:06:57 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> meaning?
[10:07:16 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> These examples are a category of demos, as far as I see
[10:07:27 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I can't see how adding the word "code" in front of it makes it easier to understand
[10:07:47 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> especially since in some cases these will consist far more of "markup" than "code"
[10:07:50 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> it implies the audience
[10:08:02 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> dev-examples
[10:08:09 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> that would be clearer
[10:08:22 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> it seems like '-' is our convention for directories
[10:08:53 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I dunno
[10:08:58 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm unconvinced
[10:09:02 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I could include it directly in the demos folder
[10:09:08 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> but will happily defer to others
[10:09:10 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> but just name it clearly
[10:09:19 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> UIOptionsSimpleDemo.html
[10:09:30 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I just don't quite see how adding the prefix "dev-" makes it easier to remember
[10:09:36 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> UIOptionsBasic.html
[10:09:55 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm sort of unconvinced by that as well
[10:10:03 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Listen to me today
[10:10:06 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> including it directly in the demos folder would address the issue Boz was making last night about yet another place to look
[10:10:22 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Whether or not this is a good thing, the "demos" folder is a kind of managed space
[10:10:34 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> it's in the realm of this beast of a demo portal
[10:10:54 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> the demo portal expects particular naming of files
[10:11:03 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> as long as I don't conform, it will ignore me
[10:11:29 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> That sounds like an implementation detail to me, michelled
[10:11:45 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I dunno, jessm, anastasiac,jhung
[10:11:54 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> maybe you guys have clearer thoughts than me on the subject
[10:13:11 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> mlam: I'm going to duck out of this naming debate and code, now that I've stirred the pot
[10:15:13 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled, eventually the demo portal and code examples will be "injected" into our public websites though some mechanism similar in spirit to our current technique (i.e. some automated way that recognizes file names, mark-up, etc), but not necessarily the same as the current technique. The demos and code examples will be injected into different sites using different methods
[10:20:21 CDT(-0500)] <harriswong> Bosmon2: I have just merged in the master from the upstream, noticed the uiOptions TestFieldSlider-test and UIEnhancer-test are failing. I think these were fine yesterday on commit f9df1b1f71446dd2b0ff4f972d2ce04e1680ecde.
[10:25:21 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark, anastasiac and I are just having a quick verbal conversation about this example. We realized that we actually already have some demos of this type which we store in standalone-demos
[10:25:37 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> cindyli and I are going to put the UI Options example in there too
[10:26:57 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled, did we just agree verbally that eventually, all demos will go in the demos folder, and within that folder we'll split it out into "hot demos" and "instructional demos" ?
[10:27:23 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> yes we did
[11:46:36 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: cindyli and I just finished with 4140 and merged the branch back into the project repo
[11:46:53 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: we are moving on to making ui options a renderer component
[12:03:59 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: congrats
[12:04:20 CDT(-0500)] <michelled>
[12:04:29 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I didn't see any high fives
[12:49:17 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> mlam: Great news... I'm going to cause you some fairly major conflicts
[12:49:26 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> yay
[12:49:44 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I want to put these compatibility tests straight into the project repo, so that we can see the issue separate from all the other changes we made
[12:50:06 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> and since there are changes mixed into your commits that we don't want in the project repo
[12:50:16 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I think I'm going to have to just manually add your files
[12:50:26 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> ok
[12:50:33 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> and then when you next merge the project repo into your FLUID-3886 branch, we should see some conflicts
[12:50:41 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> arguably, Git will handle this much better thanS VN
[12:50:46 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'll help you merge them
[12:51:49 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> OK, cool
[12:56:21 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon2> harriswong: It looks like those issues are just leftover versions of the DataBinding dependency from yesterday that weren't updated with the other files
[16:51:57 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> Hello Everyone
[16:52:07 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> hi bhavya
[16:52:19 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> hi michelle
[16:52:31 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> Phew those were a lot of mistakes
[16:52:42 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> oh, I don't think so
[16:52:48 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> I'll get them right next time
[16:52:55 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I was just trying to be helpful - hope it was helpful
[16:53:02 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> Yeah a lot
[16:53:18 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> especially the part about people with disability
[16:53:28 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> There aren't many app for them
[16:54:01 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> but one question
[16:54:10 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> ya, we take a different approach to disability - we see it as a mismatch between a user and the environment
[16:54:39 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> I was thinking of making most of the stuff using mouse
[16:54:40 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> meaning that at some point we all have a disability like when trying to listen to a video in a public place
[16:55:26 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> as it is a bit more interactive
[16:55:57 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> bhavya: I think it's important to think about how we can do things with a mouse or a keyboard
[16:56:10 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> it's not always easy - in fact it's often quite difficult
[16:56:24 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> ok
[16:56:34 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> but take a look at the Infusion reorderer - it's a great example of an interaction that we are used to doing with a mouse
[16:56:46 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> yet with Infusion we can do it either with a mouse or a keybaord
[16:57:01 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> ok i'll have a look at it
[16:57:29 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> and how much time you think would take to get familiar with fluid-infusion
[16:58:56 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> bhavya: I expect it will be an ongoing process throughout the entire time. But I'd guess a 2 week ramp up period would be good
[16:59:20 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> ok
[17:00:25 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> and also, do you plan to take it to social networking sites if time permits
[17:01:24 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> well, for me I was thinking about how it will fit into the projects that we are currently working on
[17:01:34 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> Decapod and floe in particular
[17:01:37 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> ok
[17:02:13 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> well this project can be a nice addition to them
[17:02:27 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I think so
[17:03:09 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> ok then I'll mail you the new proposal by tomorrow
[17:03:26 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> cool - don't forget to apply through google summer of code though
[17:03:33 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> hopeI'll get it right this time
[17:03:40 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> ya sure
[17:03:52 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> what time is it for you bhavya?
[17:04:12 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> its 00:03 here in netherlands
[17:04:28 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> but my intern has ended and I'm heding back to india on monday
[17:04:30 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> pretty late!
[17:05:03 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> well we have flexible office hours here
[17:05:14 CDT(-0500)] <michelled>
[17:06:03 CDT(-0500)] <bhavya> Have a good day !!
[17:06:13 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> thanks, have a good night