fluid-work IRC Logs-2008-03-04

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[11:11:03 EST(-0500)] <jhung> anastasiac: you there?
[11:21:08 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> hi jhung, I'm here now
[11:22:11 EST(-0500)] <jhung> I was wondering which tasks on the white board i can work on @ home.
[11:22:43 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> good question.
[11:22:54 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> One start would be FLUID-257, at least the Windows part
[11:22:58 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> but that shouldn't take long
[11:23:17 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I've found a weirdness with the activedescendent stuff we were working on yesterday
[11:23:28 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> the tests fail in IE (surprise, surprise)
[11:23:54 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> It seems that setting the attr value to "" in IE results in an undefined value, while in FF it results in ""
[11:24:05 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> we'll have to figure out how to deal with that
[11:25:04 EST(-0500)] <jhung> Interesting. Was a jira made for that one?
[11:25:42 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> no, I only discovered it last night when I ran our tests in IE.
[11:25:50 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I spoke to simon, and he says it's not unexpected
[11:25:58 EST(-0500)] <jhung> ok
[11:26:13 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> if the jARIA plugin had a proper removeAria() function, that would likely take care of it
[11:26:16 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> but it doesn't
[11:26:21 EST(-0500)] <jhung> So not necessarily a jAria problem? I guess the problem will go away once we're able to remove attrs in jAria.
[11:26:26 EST(-0500)] <jhung> yeah.
[11:26:33 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I have to talk to DavidB today about what came out of his discussion yesterday with the jQuery folds
[11:28:09 EST(-0500)] <jhung> I spoke to him about that yesterday on our car ride.
[11:28:59 EST(-0500)] <jhung> But he'd probably do a better job at explaining. Sounded like the conversation was at a higher level than Aria itself.
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[12:29:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Got a quick second?
[12:29:10 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> sure
[12:30:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm wondering if you or anyone there may have some advice on how I can deploy my example of jQuery UI Tabs working with the keyboard navigation plugin.
[12:30:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So people can try it out on the web.
[12:31:09 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Could it be added to one of the markup examples that we have already?
[12:31:58 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Or could we simply post it to build.fluidproject.org?
[12:32:09 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> It's not part of the daily builds, is it?
[12:33:04 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> The tabindex plugin is there - could we move the keyboard-ally into the fluid-components/js package so that it is accessible to the daily build stuff?
[12:34:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I don't want to move it into fluid-components until we rely on it.
[12:34:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We just went through the exercise of cleaning up that space of unused dependencies.
[12:34:32 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> good point
[12:34:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i guess we good for the moment deploy it to build.fluidproject.org
[12:35:01 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> we could simply post it to the machine that's hosting build.fluidproject.org
[12:35:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> but it sounds like we should move it into continuum
[12:35:31 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> that's another point - but continuum doesn't provide workable demos
[12:36:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> how so?
[12:36:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> a script that deploys into tomcat would provide a workable demo, no?
[12:37:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> or into the apache documents space
[12:37:26 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ah, I see - use continuum as a means of automatically running such a script
[12:37:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> right
[12:37:43 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> certainly possible
[12:38:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok.
[12:39:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> looks like i might do some shell scripting during this soa workshop today (wink)
[12:39:18 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> (smile)
[12:40:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> One other thing I forgot to mention at standup...
[12:40:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I am starting in on writing a bit of code that provides declarative key mappings.
[12:41:14 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ah - so should we hold off on continuing our work on that?
[12:41:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> nope, keep rolling
[12:41:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i'm looking ahead a few steps here
[12:41:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> unless i am very productive tonight
[12:41:48 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> won't we be duplicating effort?
[12:41:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The Reorderer would tell this container which functions are key-bindable.
[12:42:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And then a declarative keymap is also passed in on instantiation.
[12:42:43 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> this does sound like it duplicates the area we're looking at
[12:42:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> {
[12:42:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> modifier: CTRL
[12:42:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> key: UP_ARROW
[12:42:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> action: "moveUp"
[12:42:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> }
[12:43:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Probably there is some duplication. I just don't want to slow you down.
[12:43:22 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> well, there is other work (smile)
[12:43:30 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> speaking of which, I'm just returning to the jqUnit stuff, and our tests do NOT like the test data being not-displayed
[12:43:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> your tests are broken, then. (tongue)
[12:43:55 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I suspect it's related to focus
[12:43:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I imagine you could change the style sheet so they weren't hidden.
[12:44:03 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> but I haven't investigated yet
[12:44:11 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, the tests pass when the markup is displayed
[12:44:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Reminds me that I have to show that code to Resig.
[12:44:18 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> (but not in IE)
[12:44:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I find that worrisome.
[12:44:47 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, indeed!
[12:44:57 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> and difficult to debug, of course
[12:45:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I have focus tests that do pass successfully. But Reorderer is much more complex because of moving/dom manipulation
[12:45:56 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'll take a closer look at your focus tests, see if I can figure out what the LB is doing differently
[12:46:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> that's a good start.
[12:46:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i can take a peek as well.
[12:46:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> have you committed those test?
[12:46:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> tests
[12:46:22 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> not yet - they fail miserably in IE (smile)
[12:46:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Are they web-visible at the moment?
[12:46:54 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> might be, let me check
[12:47:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> don't let me distract you, i can at least take a look
[12:47:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> if it would help
[12:48:13 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> http://142.150.154.149:8080/sakai-imagegallery-tool/component-templates/html/LightboxTestData.html
[12:48:38 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I haven't looked at them in a couple of days (they were started before the svn-reorg)
[12:48:48 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> gotta go, back after lunch
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[14:27:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Got another quick second?
[14:28:18 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> sure
[14:29:15 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark - you there?
[14:29:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yep, sorry
[14:29:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I am learning about why vendor lock-in is bad.
[14:29:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (tongue)
[14:30:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And why SOA Methodology is in opposition to agile approaches.
[14:30:08 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> LOL
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[14:30:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So your experience with jARIA.
[14:30:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> You mentioned cross-browser issues.
[14:30:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I noticed that it is adding the old FF2 syntax for roles.
[14:30:46 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> right - but not sure it's jARIA specific
[14:30:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ?
[14:31:32 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> if you use ariaState() to set a state to an empty string, then querying the state value in FF gives you an empty string, in IE gives you undefined
[14:32:04 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> but the same may well be the truth with just the underlying setAttributeNS()
[14:32:27 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> it's difficult to confirm exactly what's happening in IE (smile)
[14:32:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> right.
[14:33:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> normalization across browsers is a pain.
[14:33:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But how could the use of the FF2 syntax even in FF3 not be jARIA specific?
[14:33:33 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> which is why we'd like the plug-in to do it (smile)
[14:33:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yes, agreed
[14:35:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> There is code that attempts to switch between the FF2 and FF3 syntax.
[14:35:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But it clearly is failing in my copy of FF3.
[14:36:29 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> what difference are you seeing (or not seeing)?
[14:37:05 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> (I was referring to my empty string issue when I talked about not-plugin-specific)
[14:37:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yes.
[14:37:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> what i'm seeing is that in FF3, the old FF2 syntax is being used.
[14:38:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> role="wairole:tab" instead of role="aria-tab"
[14:38:24 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> the "aria-" syntax is for states, not roles
[14:39:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> right, right
[14:39:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> david just mentioned that over im.
[14:39:07 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> the role info is either 'role="wairole:menu"' or 'role="menu"' (for FF2 and FF3 respectively)
[14:39:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> right
[14:39:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so it's still using the old syntax.
[14:39:37 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> the state info is either 'aaa:haspopup="true"' or 'aria-haspopup="true"'
[14:40:31 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> interesting. We checked the state stuff, which I believe is fine
[14:42:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> state is working properly in FF2 and in 3?
[14:42:45 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I believe so, yes
[14:42:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> cool
[14:43:36 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'm just getting FF3 with firebug up to look at the rols
[14:43:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> cool, thanks for helping me confirm
[14:44:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i am doing this while trying to listen, so i could be confused.
[14:44:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[14:44:18 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ok, yes - I see that the role does have the "wairole" prefix on it, even in FF3
[14:44:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> good
[14:44:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i'm not crazy
[14:44:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[14:44:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i'm wondering if we should roll our own.
[14:44:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> licensing is one of the key requirements
[14:44:55 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> you mean rather than work with Chris to update his plug-in?
[14:44:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jaria is currently lgpl'ed.
[14:44:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yes
[14:45:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> but i don't know yet. i guess we have to get a feel for it.
[14:45:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and for how amenable chris is to change and collaboration
[14:46:25 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> well, I imagine we should be trying to work with him. Is lgpl a problem?
[14:46:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I notice he's also setting tabindexes when he sets roles.
[14:46:42 EST(-0500)] <jhung> hopefully the jQuery accessibility mailing list will be a good place to start a collaboration.
[14:46:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jhung: yes, you're absolutely right
[14:47:15 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, i saw the tabindex thing - I had to move our removing to after the role setting
[14:47:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> his code doesn't use my plugin, so of course it's problematic across browsers. (wink)
[14:48:02 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> LOL!
[14:49:11 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> we should try at least offering a patch, and see how Chris responds
[14:49:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yep, i agree.
[14:49:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> who should make these modifications?
[14:49:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> is it on your critical path, or is it evening coding?
[14:49:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[14:50:20 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> well, if it affects how the LB works in JAWS, it's critical path
[14:50:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> it appears that it does affect FF3 support, yes.
[14:50:52 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> We need to do a bit more cross-browser JAWS testing with the roles set to confirm
[14:50:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> makes sense
[14:51:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> is jhung helping with that?
[14:51:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> or are you using pinky?
[14:51:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (tongue)
[14:51:58 EST(-0500)] <jhung> Not pinky.
[14:52:13 EST(-0500)] <jhung> Been using the other Win. machine.
[14:52:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> cool
[14:52:24 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> jhung is at home today
[14:52:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i love "organizational agility"
[14:53:00 EST(-0500)] <jhung> I should get JAWS onto my home machine. My Windows install doesn't feel bloaty enough.
[14:53:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> LOL
[14:53:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> the 45-min trial is pretty useful
[14:53:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and free
[14:53:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> gives you a chance to play with jaws 9, too
[14:53:30 EST(-0500)] <jhung> Good point.
[14:53:40 EST(-0500)] <jhung> I'll grab that now so at least I can help test from home.
[14:58:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I just realized that jARIA's modifications of the tabindex are problematic.
[14:58:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Frustratingly so.
[14:58:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm working with the jQuery UI tabs example.
[14:59:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So when I add keyboard-a11y to it, the plugin automatically makes the container focussable (tabindex=0) and each of the selectables are taken out of the tab order (tabindex=-1).
[14:59:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Then jARIA comes along and, when I add the tabs role, the selectables are given a tabindex of 0.
[15:00:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Which is just plain wrong.
[15:00:12 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, that's what happened with the LB.
[15:00:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We have to fix that.
[15:00:28 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> we took the thumbs out of the tab order, and jARIA put them back in
[15:00:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Not cool.
[15:00:37 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> so what's the appropriate behaviour?
[15:01:51 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> should jARIA not be touching the tabindex? or is it wrong to think they should be in the tab order?
[15:02:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> the appropriate behaviour is to leave the tabindex alone.
[15:02:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> it's wrong to think that they should be in the tab order.
[15:02:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> since we realize that things may be focussed programatically rather than with the tab key.
[15:02:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> such as, for example, thumbnails in the lightbox!!
[15:03:54 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ok, FLUID-302 is collecting notes on these issues we're finding
[15:04:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> awesome
[15:04:14 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> we should create patches, or start discussions, on the jQuery-a11y google group
[15:04:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I don't know.
[15:04:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Talk to DB about his thoughts.
[15:04:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> the risk is licensing.
[15:04:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> we could do a lot of work to fix it up, only to find that he doesn't want to change it from LGPL.
[15:04:38 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> right - lgpl is bad?
[15:04:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> well, it's not in line with jQuery's own license.
[15:04:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and we would tend to be a bit cautious with LGPL
[15:04:56 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> that was my next question (smile)
[15:06:05 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> so maybe a first step is to start a licensing discussion with Chris - maybe I'll talk to DB about that
[15:07:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> makes sense
[15:08:01 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> DB agrees, and will start a discussion with Chris
[15:08:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> okay
[15:08:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> on-list? off-list?
[15:10:20 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> don't know - DB is asking same question
[15:10:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> he should join our irc room (smile)
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[15:11:26 EST(-0500)] * davidb lights fireworks
[15:11:28 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> oh, that's much easier for me (smile)
[15:11:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> speak of the devil!
[15:11:32 EST(-0500)] <davidb> heh
[15:11:44 EST(-0500)] <jhung> haha
[15:11:45 EST(-0500)] <davidb> "Hi Chris,
[15:11:45 EST(-0500)] <davidb> The fluid team is considering the use of jARIA. One cause for pause is the fact the it is LGPL, while jQuery is GPL and MIT and how the two reconcile. Would you consider the dual GPL MIT license to align with jQuery?
[15:11:46 EST(-0500)] <davidb> cheers,
[15:11:46 EST(-0500)] <davidb> David"
[15:11:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> makes sense.
[15:11:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> did you send it?
[15:12:03 EST(-0500)] <davidb> cc fluid-work
[15:12:03 EST(-0500)] <davidb> ?
[15:12:06 EST(-0500)] <davidb> not et
[15:12:07 EST(-0500)] <davidb> yet
[15:12:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> feel free to cc the list
[15:12:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> but it's not a big deal
[15:12:22 EST(-0500)] <davidb> ok i'll fire it off
[15:12:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ccing the list is always good
[15:12:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> your emails are refreshingly succinct
[15:12:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i can think of a few fluidites who could learn from you. (smile)
[15:13:32 EST(-0500)] <davidb> it comes naturally to lazy people (smile)
[15:13:39 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> LOL
[15:13:46 EST(-0500)] <davidb> (as does programming actually)
[15:13:49 EST(-0500)] <davidb> (tongue)
[15:14:13 EST(-0500)] <jhung> DB is our email minifier.
[15:14:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> okay, let me tell you something hilarious
[15:14:15 EST(-0500)] <davidb> "fluidites"... i like that
[15:14:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jhung: LOL
[15:14:22 EST(-0500)] * davidb leans in
[15:14:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> the SOA consultant here tried to explain to us where the expression "drinking the kool aid" came from
[15:14:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> !!!
[15:14:50 EST(-0500)] <davidb> you are learning so much!
[15:14:54 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> what was his explanation??
[15:15:04 EST(-0500)] <davidb> (smile)
[15:15:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> like just about everything he has been teaching today, we all knew.
[15:15:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (tongue)
[15:15:31 EST(-0500)] <davidb> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=drink+the+kool-aid
[15:15:34 EST(-0500)] <RayDavis> I always get SOA mixed up with SOL.
[15:15:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> this is now the second cult/soa Methodology analogy of the day.
[15:15:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> RayDavis: LOL
[15:15:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I can believe how much silliness we are getting into.
[15:15:56 EST(-0500)] <davidb> heh
[15:16:25 EST(-0500)] <RayDavis> My rule of thumb: The more expensive the training, the less useful it is.
[15:16:37 EST(-0500)] <RayDavis> No Harvard PhDs here, I hope.
[15:16:39 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ok, I admit, I actually didn't know about the kool-aid expression. I've been sheltered...
[15:16:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And it seems that everyone who wants to sell a Methodology always wants to say "look, we work with agile processes. It's just that you have to do all this up-front design and analysis, and then when those programmers get at it, they can do whatever they want. Iteration is fine at the end." (tongue)
[15:18:00 EST(-0500)] <davidb> anastasiac: at least you didn't pay 70K to learn what it means
[15:18:27 EST(-0500)] <davidb> colinclark: hahah
[15:19:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> we got two hardcover books as part of the training.
[15:19:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> two books for a room full of 15 people!
[15:19:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and they are such big books, they look like lethal weapons
[15:19:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> though personally, my book armament of choice is the J2EE Tutorial. (tongue)
[15:19:57 EST(-0500)] <davidb> colinclark drank the kool aid.
[15:20:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> there is something here that looks reminiscent of kool aid. maybe i'll get some.
[15:20:30 EST(-0500)] <davidb> anastasiac: i'm on page 14 of the state of stuck and i'm depressed.
[15:22:29 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> oh dear, that's not good
[15:22:55 EST(-0500)] <davidb> hopefully it gets better... because i do read it at bedtime.
[15:32:55 EST(-0500)] <davidb> anastasiac: cool i see your jira ticket...
[15:33:13 EST(-0500)] <davidb> anastasiac: is there an easy way for me to watch for jquery a11y tickets?
[15:33:22 EST(-0500)] <davidb> or is it per ticket?
[15:33:41 EST(-0500)] <davidb> something like a tag you could add to jq a11y tickets?
[15:34:06 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I don't know of a way in JIRA, other than creating a new component, or project
[15:34:19 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> but even then, I don't know if you can watch everything
[15:35:36 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> that ticket was intended just as a holder for notes specifically on the jARIA plug-in, not jquery a11y in general
[15:36:31 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> maybe we could start a new project in our JIRA for general jQuery a11y issues? colinclark, does that seem at all apropriate? or probably it should be in jQuery's on issue tracker
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[15:54:13 EST(-0500)] <davidb> anastasiac: no sweat
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[16:06:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Sorry, just went for a walk in the sunshine.
[16:06:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Saw your message. I think we're better off working in jQuery's trac.
[16:09:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> davidb: we did just add a tag plugin to JIRA. Shaw-Han can probably show us how to tag issues so you can watch them.
[16:09:57 EST(-0500)] <davidb> colinclark: coool... don't sweat it too much though (smile)
[16:10:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> feel free to ask shaw-han if you want to see how it's done.
[16:10:13 EST(-0500)] <davidb> colinclark: i'm checking jquery trac now to see if i have more privs
[16:10:19 EST(-0500)] <davidb> colinclark: will do
[16:10:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> cool
[16:11:09 EST(-0500)] <davidb> colinclark: not yet :/
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