fluid-work IRC Logs-2008-03-18

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[10:55:20 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> theclown: thanks for all your work doing the screen reader testing!
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[13:51:13 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> sha-zam!
[13:51:22 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> michelled: wazzup?
[13:51:57 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> well, we are trying to determine screen reader compatible keystrokes and are having a little trouble.
[13:52:06 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> theclown: i figured out the firebug prob: http://mindforks.blogspot.com/2008/03/debugging-javascript-evals.html
[13:52:12 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> michelled: ew
[13:52:18 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> cool!
[13:52:22 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> heh
[13:52:31 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> We were about decided on ALT + num pad 8, 6, 2, 4
[13:52:42 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> but we have a slight problem on FF2 Windows
[13:52:43 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> that's awkward on laptops
[13:52:53 EDT(-0400)] * davidb listens
[13:52:54 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes.
[13:53:29 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Sorry, sticky keys are on and I was just yelling by mistake (smile)
[13:53:39 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> i'm a little behind on this work... you guys have probably seen http://www.mozilla.org/access/keyboard/ right?
[13:53:44 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> heheh
[13:53:53 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> So I'm not getting the keyup event for the ALT key
[13:53:53 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> sticky keys are gr8
[13:54:15 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> alt is usually part of a key event... like e.modifier or something
[13:54:46 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> so like alt+b ... you get the 'b' event and part of the event object will be the modifiers that were applied
[13:55:00 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes, same as control. But with control I get keydown and keyup for it as well
[13:55:05 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> oh
[13:55:07 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> hmm
[13:55:09 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> For alt I'm just getting keydown
[13:55:14 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> ohhh
[13:55:34 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I use the keydown and keyup to change styling - thereby giving the user a visual cue that they are in a different mode
[13:55:36 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> is the screen reader swallowing the alt=up?
[13:55:53 EDT(-0400)] * davidb nods
[13:56:03 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> not sure - Jon's checking
[13:56:36 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> michelled: he's trying sans sr?
[13:56:58 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ya but the machine is a little cranky
[13:57:14 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> (smile)
[13:57:19 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> the problem exists with the screen reader off as well
[13:57:40 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> hmm.
[13:57:45 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> only FF?
[13:57:48 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> good to know that this isn't a well known issue.
[13:57:58 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> (i got 4 hours sleep)
[13:58:03 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> so might be well known (wink)
[13:58:24 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> IE7 is fine
[13:58:29 EDT(-0400)] * davidb googles
[13:58:31 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> FF2 and FF3 are an issue
[13:58:36 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> but they are fine on the Mac
[13:58:48 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> "Technique 1 can fail for the alt key when the menu is selected - because the keyup event is not seen."
[13:58:55 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> from: http://www.cross-browser.com/x/examples/shift_mode.php
[13:59:14 EDT(-0400)] * davidb pings aaron and marco
[14:01:53 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> michelled: aaron's not around... marco doesn't know... i found this though: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347010
[14:02:11 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks
[14:02:22 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> michelled: anytime
[14:02:32 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> very interesting.
[14:03:03 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes, I guess I'll have to unstyle on keypress. It's kind of annoying.
[14:03:06 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> michelled: it was a regression (i guess) from an a11y fix! https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=262894
[14:03:16 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> michelled: yeah.
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[14:03:38 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> would unstyling on keypress conflict with styling on keydown?
[14:04:12 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> keypress is a keydown + keyup I believe so I think unstyling will work there
[14:04:43 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok, right, got it
[14:11:01 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> guys, thanks for pinging me about this... i've added a comment (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/process_bug.cgi#c27) – and emailed aaron.
[14:11:45 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> sorry bogus link
[14:11:58 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=262894#c27
[14:12:11 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> (smile)
[14:12:56 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks. Interestingly, the test page you sent earlier show that we are getting keyup for alt with FF2 on that page
[14:13:03 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> still poking at this
[14:13:25 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> coolio
[14:15:18 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> michelled: be sure to check whether you have focus in a plugin or not... that can muck things up
[14:15:25 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> (like firebug)
[14:15:37 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> will do
[14:17:09 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> davidb: Doesn't appear to make a difference.
[14:17:20 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> jhung: ok
[14:17:43 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> jhung: note though that it shouldn't work if firebug has focus.
[14:18:57 EDT(-0400)] * davidb notices jhung is not in nicaragua?
[14:19:59 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> yes back from Nicaragua. Will do a brownbag.
[14:20:14 EDT(-0400)] * davidb groans
[14:20:22 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> (tongue)
[14:29:03 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> davidb: I'm not getting an alert using this demo https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=231767
[14:29:25 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> Is that expected?
[14:29:41 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> i get one
[14:29:44 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> jhung: ^
[14:31:10 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> davidb and theclown: are we meeting regarding ARIA now?
[14:31:50 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> michelled: 5 mins?
[14:31:58 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sure, we'll come over
[14:35:59 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> ok
[15:51:53 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> michelled: what's the url to the lightbox again?
[15:52:22 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> In the nightly build: http://build.fluidproject.org/sakai-imagegallery-tool/fluid-components/html/Lightbox.html
[15:52:35 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> That's the version that works with CTRL + arrow keys
[15:53:00 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> http://build.fluidproject.org/sakai-imagegallery-tool/sample-code/reorderer/concrete/generic-lightbox/generic-lightbox.html
[15:53:22 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> That's the version that works with SHIFT + num key pad 8, 6, 2, 4
[15:54:58 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> thnx
[16:15:42 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> theclown, michelled, jhung: i tried it out with Jaws 9 demo... same problem
[16:16:25 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks for checking.
[16:16:42 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> np!
[16:16:54 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> davidb: interesting...
[16:17:05 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> We think we may have a keystroke that works but it really sucks: Alt-Shift + numpad 8, 6, 4, 2
[16:17:22 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> what's interesting?
[16:19:26 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_downloads/jaws.asp
[16:21:03 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> anastasiac: i didn't mean to forget your nick (you might be interested in my last few comments)
[16:21:30 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> no problem - I did see them (I was pairing with michelled (smile)
[16:23:32 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> ah yes... the ettin
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[16:27:24 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> that's us (tongue)
[16:27:26 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> um, I think I'm instulted...
[16:27:45 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> can an ettin spell?
[16:28:16 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> hahaha sorry... i was thinking of beautiful ettins
[16:28:22 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I spoke too soon about the keystrokes. The browser is capturing alt-shift-6 and going back
[16:28:42 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> i found that aria thingy custom at thingamabobble... http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-wai-aria-20080204/#templateid
[16:28:44 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> :(smile)
[16:28:52 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> i dunno really what it is for.
[16:28:59 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> should have been ;(wink)
[16:29:01 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> a/AT/at
[16:29:13 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> anastasiac: LOL
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