fluid-work IRC Logs-2010-04-23

[15:52:34 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> the mercurial plugin seems to have at least the common commands working
[15:53:11 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Justin_o: are they using svn or git?
[15:53:33 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I've sent an e-mail out to the decapod list to get some feedback from people more familiar with mercurial to let us know how they work with it and what their thoughts on mercurial and svn are
[15:53:51 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> michelled: they tried git for a bit and switched to svn mainly i think because of the plugin issues
[15:54:05 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> michelled: they will probably switch back when it has matured a bit mroe
[15:54:13 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> Justin_o: so, silly question, are we dependent on using eclipse?
[15:54:43 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jessm: not necessarily... and that was one of the questions that i asked. Which was what IDE they use for development
[15:55:02 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> eclipse is probably one of the more common ones though, but for example colin probably won't be using it
[15:55:18 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> Justin_o: so, we're evaluating the HG plugin for eclipse though, right?
[15:55:19 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> so i don't necessarily think the decision has to be dependent on it...
[15:55:25 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i see
[15:55:39 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> Justin_o: and your impression of the HG plugin for eclipse was what?
[15:56:31 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jessm: i think it can be used but it's not the greatest experience... i think it still needs work basically... comparing code and managing conflicts work flows aren't great
[15:57:08 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> jessm: I use the svn plugin in eclipse a lot particularly for code review
[15:57:09 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> also cloning local repositories is more of a pain than it needs to be
[15:57:12 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> it's very helpful
[15:57:22 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I could manage without it but I'd be grumpier
[15:58:23 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> Justin_o: michelled: what other IDE could we use for HG?
[15:59:34 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> Justin_o: aptana?
[15:59:37 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> colin uses something else, can't remember what it was called and he did have to pay for it
[15:59:45 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes... there is aptana, which is based on eclipse
[15:59:57 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> jessm: aptana is just a packaging of eclipse
[16:00:02 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ah
[16:00:05 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> so the svn plugin is the same
[16:00:13 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> and the hg one too
[16:00:43 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> so, michelled Justin_o what do we do?
[16:01:00 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jessm: the other option is that people might use command line or some other external tool
[16:01:07 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> are you interested in getting feedback from mcutter and joost first?
[16:01:09 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> we can make do with the hg plugin - it's not a deal breaker
[16:01:27 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jessm: yah, i'm curious to know what their experience has been like so far
[16:02:46 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> Justin_o: so, let's hope we catch them tomorrow a.m. or they email with their answers
[16:03:39 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jessm: yes i hope so...
[16:03:55 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i suggested that we could probably talk it all over at the decapod meeting on monday
[16:04:28 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> Justin_o: ok, let's talk about that on Monday a.m., but if you see joost and mcutter here tomorrow, a.m. ping them
[16:04:44 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> Justin_o: also, i know you and kasper had a big chat earlier – what's the status of the auto testing for deca?
[16:04:59 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jessm: yes for sure... i am hoping they will get back with some feedback before the meeting... i was think that would just be for further discussion
[16:05:13 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jessm: so... on the testing front...
[16:06:01 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i've pinged jamon about meeting with him to look into setting up testswarm. He was busy at the time, so i'm waiting on him to have a free moment
[16:06:22 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> additionally it looks like we can also use testswarm to run selenium tests
[16:06:35 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> http://groups.google.com/group/testswarm/browse_thread/thread/0a99e1c4bfaa1b15/8a3d57faa2610774?lnk=raot&pli=1
[16:07:23 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> which would all fit together pretty nicely
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[16:07:59 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> we still need to get a daily build of decapod working too though...
[16:08:33 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> also, the gui for decapod is actually fairly small at the moment, and most of the testing could probably be done via unit tests
[16:09:28 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> automatically testing the pictures that are outputted would be hard, maybe impossible...
[16:13:16 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> ah, so what woudl we automate?
[16:13:20 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> Justin_o: ^
[16:13:34 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> and are you working with jamon on the daily build piece?
[16:13:39 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> you've got a lot on your plate!
[16:13:54 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> he does - and he's chatting with jameswy right now
[16:14:29 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> we can easily automate any tests that work off the 'mockserver' which would be the nightly build
[16:14:42 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> that should allow automation of testing most of the UI
[16:15:14 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> we could also script the tests to be run off the real app but we'd need to manually kick those off
[16:15:36 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> which shouldn't be a problem since we'd need to manually attach the cameras anyway
[16:15:58 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> it's just a matter of make sure running those tests happen regularly as part of our process
[16:16:21 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> and the best part of automating from my perspective is that we can automate all the tests for Infusion
[16:16:36 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> which would be a great help to Decapod, cspace and engage work
[16:16:50 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> not to mention infusion itself and all the people who depend on it
[16:23:08 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> michelled: what you said!
[16:35:08 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> michelled: i would agree with that...
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