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[09:47:09 EST(-0500)] <andreauoc> hey everyone... when will the developer's meeting start today?
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[09:55:05 EST(-0500)] <sveto> i think it is after stand up today
[09:58:04 EST(-0500)] <andreauoc> thanks
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[10:30:40 EST(-0500)] <sveto> sorry andreauoc, boyan here says it's one hour before stand up, meaning now
[10:32:36 EST(-0500)] <andreauoc> ok
[10:33:07 EST(-0500)] <andreauoc> thanks sveto
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[12:13:34 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> yura - is all the ENGAGE-220 work merged up now, or is it still ongoing in the branch?
[12:14:06 EST(-0500)] <yura> yes, it's in trunk now
[12:14:10 EST(-0500)] <yura> Bosmon2: ^
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[13:24:03 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> justin_o: are you guys talking about jQuery 1.4?
[13:24:16 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> at all?
[13:24:37 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> wondering whether there's been any testing or any discussion about switching in Fluid-land
[13:24:42 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> elicochran: i know a few of us took a quick look at it...
[13:24:53 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> there is some talk about switching, not sure when and no testing yet
[13:25:24 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> we are in the midst of a push to release a 0.3 of engage in mid february so we may not have time till after then
[13:25:35 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> justin_o: we're talking about on Sakai 3, but were wondering about Fluid since we're pretty dependent
[13:25:47 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> justin_o: understandable
[13:26:59 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> elicochran: ah i see... if i had to guess.. i would think we would be aiming at one of the next two releases of infusion. But there have been no formal discussions on this.
[13:27:15 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> justin_o: FYI (you may have already noticed this) there was a change to .extend() (a method that is used heavily in Fluid.js)
[13:28:01 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> I don't expect a problem but it was the only thing that jumped out at me from the docs as potentially effecting Fluid
[13:29:40 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> elicochran: thanks... i didn't notice that one... thanks for the heads up... one thing that will dictate when we upgrade jquery will be ist affects on our backwards compatibility. I think we should be okay, but probably won't know for sure until we try it.
[13:31:50 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> here's the comment that raised my eyebrow: http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.extend No longer extends non-plain-objects or arrays.
[13:32:19 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> this from the Backwards-Incompatible Changes section here: http://jquery14.com/day-01/jquery-14
[13:33:49 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> That seems fine
[13:33:54 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> I don't believe we want those things extended
[13:34:00 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> cool
[13:34:18 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> In any case, if you do want to make use of 1.4 features as soon as possible, do recall that both jQuery and Fluid are capable of coexisting in multiple versions
[13:34:32 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> true
[13:34:36 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> So even if the version supplied to Fluid needs to remain at 1.3 for compatibility, you can feel free to use 1.4 in your own code
[13:35:05 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> We will likely not have the resources to make such a major change before the next major Infusion framework release
[13:35:14 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> Which is going to have a considerable number of new framework features in any case
[13:35:40 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> makes sense
[13:36:28 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> don't know what we'll do on Sakai 3... nothing has leaped out at me at least as something that I can't live with out... but given our timeline, jQuery 1.4 may make sense
[13:39:05 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> I'm going to spend some more time with jQuery 1.4 this afternoon, if I see something of interest, I'll let you folks know
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[13:44:36 EST(-0500)] <athena> is the next infusion release likely to require 1.4?
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[14:00:54 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> It is probably too early to evaluate that, but I would think it is unlikely
[14:01:41 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> We are not likely to move the framework so as to make a use of JQuery that is incompatible with 1.3, or even 1.2 for that matter
[14:01:48 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> However, we may only test with the latest version of JQuery
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[15:45:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> hey yura, do you have a quick sec?
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[15:46:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> now there's two yuras--yura1, do you have time for a super-quick question
[15:46:58 EST(-0500)] <yura1> colinclark: yes
[15:47:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Is there a document anywhere in Couch that has the name of a given museum?
[15:47:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So we have these "museum codes," like mmi and mccord
[15:47:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm guessing that perhaps they're just ad-hoc
[15:47:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Is that right?
[15:48:10 EST(-0500)] <yura1> no there's nothing there i think, jsut mccord and mmi databases
[15:48:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[15:48:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm putting together a mockup of the Home screen
[15:48:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and would love to be able to dynamically display the museum name
[15:49:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It might be nice, in fact to have a document in Couch for each museum
[15:49:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> With the code, the human-readable names, and perhaps a list of institution-specific configuration
[15:49:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Such as: which features appear on the home screen, etc.
[15:53:55 EST(-0500)] <yura1> yes, would that be a separate database?
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[16:09:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Hey Bosmon
[16:09:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm working on a mockup of the Home screen for Engage 0.3
[16:09:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Or, put more accurately, a first iteration of it
[16:10:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> One of the things in the wireframe is quite sensible--the home screen has a heading that corresponds to the name of the museum
[16:10:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So
[16:10:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> For example, "McCord Museum"
[16:10:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We don't have any information in our database now about a museum, beyond the museum code
[16:11:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Which is really just the ad-hoc name of the database its artifacts live in
[16:11:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm thinking it might make sense to have a document for each museum in the system
[16:11:50 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> That seems reasonable
[16:12:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> At very least, it would provide the name of the museum, but it also might contain some configuration--perhaps which features appear on the home screen, etc.
[16:12:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Since you're working on import, I thought I'd ask you about the mechanics of this
[16:12:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I can easily whip up a bit of JSON and be done with it
[16:12:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But what should I do with it from there? Are you starting to establish a bit of workflow for imports?
[16:14:29 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well, yes
[16:14:37 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Although if the document is in JSON already, there wouldn't seem to be much to do
[16:14:51 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I am starting to think about a "type" system, yet
[16:14:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> For documents, you mean?
[16:15:01 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> But I am not sure there will be anything much working before tomorrow...
[16:15:02 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes
[16:15:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> That'll be great
[16:16:22 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I guess it wouldn't be "any skin off our nose" to import documents that are already in JSON
[16:17:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So where should I put these museum JSON files, and how would they be integrated into the rest of the import? Or will we just not worry about that for now?
[16:24:40 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well
[16:24:59 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I guess it wouldn't do any harm to just import them?
[16:25:55 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> "How we find things" will be an issue
[16:26:17 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I guess the "import" process is going to start to involve some elaboration
[16:26:32 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> We would like, for example, all the documents belonging to a "museum" to be able to find this document somehow
[16:26:54 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Surely, as horrors, we would not expect that this would be the only document of this "type" in the database
[16:27:02 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Why not, as further horrors, make a database just for this document
[16:30:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[16:30:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> horrors
[16:30:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yes, that's what i figured i'd be doing
[16:30:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ok, thanks for the clarification. For 0.5, we'll address this whole issue--move to one database, type fields in documents, etc.
[16:30:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Does anyone mind if I rebuild the Engage daily build?
[16:31:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o, yura1 ^
[16:31:31 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: no problem
[16:31:42 EST(-0500)] <yura1> artifactview doesnt work though
[16:31:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Do you have access to edit the main build server web page?
[16:32:27 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> you the daily build page
[16:32:47 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> forgot the word "mean" in there
[16:32:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Yep, that one
[16:32:56 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> yes
[16:33:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Could you do me a huge favour, justin_o ?
[16:33:14 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: sure
[16:33:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Assuming I haven't broken the build, can you provide a link to the new home screen?
[16:33:26 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> sure
[16:33:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Call it Fluid Engage Mobile
[16:33:33 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> okay
[16:33:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Right at the top of the Engage Demos section?
[16:35:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We can also rename "engage demo" to something like "Links to Engage artifacts in MMI and McCord's collections"
[16:36:05 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> okay
[16:36:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: This is the new home page
[16:36:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> http://build.fluidproject.org:8095/engage/home/home.html
[16:36:23 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> thanks
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