[09:09:04 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> hi anastasiac! could you help me find where the inline width for the video player is being injected?
[09:09:14 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> the style="width:300px"
[09:10:23 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> ah, yes, heidiv, that's a tricky one. Try the VideoPlayer_media.js file, and double-check if mediaelement.js or captionator (in the lib folder) are doing anything funky
[09:10:27 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> i'm wondering if px vs em is what's causing the issue in safari with it being too small when txt is resized
[09:10:42 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> i'll take a look!
[09:10:58 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> mediaelement.js should only be doing anything in IE8, heidiv, but I wonder if it's causing other troubles
[09:11:07 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> and captionator might be misbehaving
[09:12:44 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> heidiv, it looks like VideoPlayer.js is extracting the width from the video itself, for some reason, you might want to check there
[09:13:00 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> anastasiac aha… ok
[09:13:29 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> anastasiac is there a tool for safari for editing css , like fire bug?
[09:14:01 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> oops, never mind…inspector does let me do that
[09:14:11 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> heidiv, my copy of Safari has a "Develop" menu, where you can show a Web Inspector, which is like Firebug
[09:14:13 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> do you have that?
[09:14:45 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> yep, just turned it on in prefs… thanks 
[09:15:04 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> k
[09:41:02 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> good morning heidiv, were you looking for me?
[09:41:47 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> hiya m… yeah i'm poking around the vid player code, but A helped me out. i'm looking at the resize function
[09:42:08 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> i think it's the root of 4815 and 4819
[09:45:10 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass did my vol slider comment make sense?
[09:45:56 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, from what i understand the colour of the slider menu background is actually a border that's why a border can't be added to it?
[09:46:09 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass yes, exactly
[09:46:55 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> heidiv: and I guess the markup isn't under our control because it's a jquery slider?
[09:47:00 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> appears it is a jquery widget and so mucking around with changing the html might be iffy
[09:47:14 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> we could try, but not sure it's worth the hassle
[09:47:52 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> i'm wondering if there's a third colour we could introduce into the theme palettete ?
[09:48:03 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> palette ? sp? ha
[09:48:36 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> or, is it okay to make the top/bottom same colour… does that convey info information?
[09:48:44 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> *enough info
[09:49:14 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> so it won't be possible to change that, so that the volume slider is styled more like the other menus?
[09:49:59 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> we can change all of the colours, but i think that's it
[09:50:23 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> perhaps a themed gradient image? like the gold one currently in use could still work with y on b
[09:50:33 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> and we'd make others for the other themes?
[09:50:38 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> know what i mean?
[09:51:31 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, i'm not quite sure what you mean?
[09:52:07 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass so right now the bottom half is styled with background: -moz-linear-gradient(90deg, #FFCC00, #F8E211) repeat scroll 0 0 transparent;
[09:52:58 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> i wonder if we can just change the colours here, for each theme - it would appear different than the top colour, yet still be within the theme's colour range. hope i'm making sense.
[09:54:11 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> oh okay, I don't think we should us gradients for the high contrast themes because we haven't introduced them anywhere else
[09:54:35 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass yeah. so would the top/bottom being the same colour be ok? or is that losing too much information?
[09:56:07 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, um i could get a repeating pattern background for the top part, would that be possible?
[09:56:53 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass, for the bottom i think, yeah
[09:57:08 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> checking if we could do top…
[09:58:02 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass yes we can change the top to a bg image
[09:58:36 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, oh good i'll get you that image
[09:59:05 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass perfect - thanks, good idea!
[10:10:47 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> michelled anastasiac have we tried using http://jqueryui.com/resizable/ anywhere
[10:12:18 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> just came across it when looking at px->em conversion. looks neat
[10:17:27 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> heidiv, interesting, no I don't think we've used that; at least, not that I know of. I wonder if it's keyboard accessible 
[10:17:44 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, i just noticed the width of the volume slider menu doesn't scale with the button size when text size is increased. would that be related to the colour issue?
[10:18:23 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> anastasiac i'm guessing not, but that would be cool if we could make it so !
[10:18:39 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass i think it's a different issue - perhaps file a jura?
[10:18:50 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jira
[10:19:08 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> okay
[11:01:04 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, i was just thinking would it be possible to get the effect of a border using two drop-shadows for the outside and two inset drop-shadows for the inside?
[11:01:37 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass i believe that only works on firefox?
[11:02:57 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> looking at http://robertnyman.com/2010/03/16/drop-shadow-with-css-for-all-web-browsers/
[11:07:25 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> hm, the shadow won't be blurred, so it would be okay for IE as well?
[11:08:06 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> heidiv: take a look at this page for compatibility: http://caniuse.com/#feat=css-boxshadow
[11:15:00 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass michelled …the thing is, if it doesn't work, you wouldn't see any top half at all.
[11:18:22 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> it's pretty well supported tho, and looks like there's IE hacks
[11:18:35 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> brb lunch
[11:28:52 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, maybe we could still have still have the patterned bg image in case it isnt supported?
[11:28:53 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> my worry is that if there isn't an outside border the slider menu could blend into the scrubber
[11:30:27 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass we can put a border around the scrubber
[11:32:14 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> michelled caniuse.com is a great resource, thanks
[11:33:23 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, isn't there a border already on the scrubber?
[11:33:51 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> yeah we can change its colour
[11:34:25 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> i'll try the shadow thing for a theme and see how it looks, one sec
[11:34:49 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, oh sorry i meant the timeline
[11:36:51 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass are we talking about the timelines or volume slider
[11:37:20 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> when the video is played past the volume sider, the two black backgrounds blend into each other i h
[11:37:33 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> i hope that made sense, ill send a screen shot
[11:39:45 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> ah, i see. i'm also noticing the volume button background doesn't change when using the vol slider, but it does in your mockups
[11:41:14 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass so the edges of the volume slider need a border to not blend in with timeline
[11:41:35 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, yes http://issues.fluidproject.org/secure/attachment/13042/vp-volume.tiff
[11:43:20 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass and in that image, the volume button should be inverted colours, right?
[11:43:50 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> did you make a jira for how it's nudged over a little?
[11:44:08 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, yep
[11:44:23 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> k i'll make one for the button too
[11:45:05 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> thanks heidiv!
[11:50:45 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass okay i'll try the shadow trickery and see what happens
[12:34:23 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> anastasiac easy way to turn off control-hiding on vid player?
[12:34:26 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> for dev
[12:36:17 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> heidiv, comment out the call to hideControllers on line 414 of VideoPlayer.js; then, after first hover, controllers never disappear
[12:36:30 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> anastasiac thanks!
[12:42:44 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> yura: Do you think that, with Bosmon's code review help, you'll be ready for a potential GPII 0.1 code free on November 12?
[12:42:54 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Specifically, for the work that introduces flat preferences throughout the system?
[12:43:49 CDT(-0500)] <yura> colinclark: i think so i will have something in my pull request today
[12:43:58 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass i've set an inset for the top half of the vol slider, but not finding a way to put a border around the entire thing, to separate it from the timeline...
[12:44:28 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> yura: Okay, great
[12:44:38 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> let's try to sit down this week and talk through some of that stuff
[12:48:38 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass tho it might be related to it being off centre with the button… something funky's going on
[12:48:57 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> perhaps i'll solve that issue there instead of w the contrast issue
[12:57:06 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, having a drop shadow won't work as a border for the entire volume menu?
[12:59:20 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass it seems i can't have both an inset and an outset shadow at the same time?
[12:59:46 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> box-shadow lets me set either or...
[13:02:51 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass know what i mean?
[13:05:12 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, ah yes, that's too bad - I'll just get you the image for top part of the slider then and the shadow could be used for the outside?
[13:05:29 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass: got it! "outline"
[13:06:03 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, oh great!
[13:06:06 CDT(-0500)] <jvass>
[13:06:19 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> high five
[13:44:42 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> michelled is there a list of the browsers the vidplayer needs to support
[13:46:34 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> heidiv: we don't have an official list yet but I'd say we are targeting latest Chrome, Safari, FF and IE8+
[13:50:26 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> colinclark: hows it going?
[13:51:08 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I hav esome ideas I want to run by you when you have a chance
[14:01:12 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> this is interesting. a css-emulator (style hacks) for older IEs, replicating css3 stuff: http://css3pie.com/
[14:03:02 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass it looks like inset box-shadows can't be replicated in IE8… so we should prob have those backgrounds as a back up.
[14:06:24 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> we'd have to add an "if IE8" stylesheet
[14:06:27 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> yuck
[14:07:35 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, ill export them now, hm
[14:07:51 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> hm, could we have them not just for IE8
[14:08:53 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> yeah, and then the border disappears for the top half, in IE8, but with a patterned bg, it would still look ok
[14:09:12 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> like it wouldn't blend in
[14:09:43 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, yeah that sounds good
[14:09:48 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> k
[14:09:48 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> thealphanerd: fire away
[14:09:51 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> k
[14:11:13 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass did you make a jira for the volume slider being nudged over a bit
[14:11:50 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, oh no, i havent
[14:12:10 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass k i will, np
[14:12:20 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> thanls
[14:12:23 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> thanks*
[14:21:51 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> michelled can i add stuff to the floe iteration plan? some volume slider issues (while i'm at it) FLUID-4829 and 4828
[14:26:33 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, here's the bg images http://wiki.fluidproject.org/download/attachments/29950286/sliderbg.zip?version=1&modificationDate=1351625019807
[14:31:04 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> heidiv: yep, those look completely related to the other issue
[14:31:07 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> go for it!
[14:33:27 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> thanks jvass!
[14:43:46 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jvass hate to bug you but the bg images shouldn't be transparent cos then the timeline shows up behind it
[14:44:26 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> or, the time scrubber info i mean
[14:44:37 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> heidiv, oh right! sorry i'll change that!
[14:44:43 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> thanks!