fluid-work IRC Logs-2012-02-28
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[07:57:46 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: ping
[07:57:57 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm: polo
[07:58:12 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: welcome back
[07:58:15 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> thanks
[07:58:16 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: we need your help today
[07:58:26 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> yes, michelle mentioned that
[07:58:32 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: we're getting content into ILDH http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php?title=Introduction
[07:58:47 CST(-0600)] <jessm> and we need some help with formatting things in mediawiki and also importing, etc.
[07:59:02 CST(-0600)] <jessm> e.g. http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Video_content_and_learning#BODY has a number of pics that didn't import obviously
[07:59:08 CST(-0600)] <jessm> there's also formatting that didn't "take"
[07:59:27 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i investigated Open office > mediawiki and word > mediawiki options but they didn't seem great
[07:59:40 CST(-0600)] <jessm> and we can probably mark it up by hand more efficiently
[07:59:59 CST(-0600)] <jessm> so, I'd like to get you started on this vid content page – that ok?
[08:00:27 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> certainly
[08:01:18 CST(-0600)] <jessm> did you have a good vacation 
[08:01:33 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> yes, very good, thanks
[08:13:21 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: do you have a google docs acct. i can add to the original doc?
[08:13:33 CST(-0600)] <jessm> so you can see the formatting, pics, etc.
[08:14:07 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, my google account name is ac@anastasiacheetham.ca
[08:15:00 CST(-0600)] <jessm> ok, you should be able to see it now
[08:15:34 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> got it, jess,
[08:15:38 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm
[08:15:51 CST(-0600)] <jessm> cool
[08:17:25 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, were you the person who worked on this page?
[08:18:17 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: no, jamesy put the page together
[08:18:43 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> ok, I wanted to know what process was used to try to import it into mediawiki
[08:18:51 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> I'll ask james when he gets in
[08:18:54 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: so the goal is to get the docs into ILDH, cindyli is working on the navigation, and we'll be adding a lot of rich materials from the fluid wiki: pics, vids, screen captures, etc.
[08:19:01 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: i imported it
[08:19:20 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: as mentioned above, i investigated using importers, but they seemed a waste of time
[08:19:28 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i think it's more efficient if we just dive in
[08:19:32 CST(-0600)] <jessm> there isn't that much material
[08:19:38 CST(-0600)] <jessm> what in particular are you wondering about?
[08:19:51 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, how did you go about trying to attach the images?
[08:19:58 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i didn't
[08:20:03 CST(-0600)] <jessm> they have to be uploaded separately
[08:20:12 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> ah, ok, gotcha
[08:20:13 CST(-0600)] <jessm> in my cursory investigation there was no way around that
[08:20:29 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> I misunderstood - I thought they had been uploaded, but weren't showing up properly
[08:20:56 CST(-0600)] <jessm> ah, no, they haven't been. they need to be uploaded and shown up right 
[08:21:22 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> I'll check in with cindyli on the navigation changes. I think we'll need changes to the PHP to add the affordances for uploading files
[08:25:35 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: yes, cindyli started looking into that yesterday
[08:25:42 CST(-0600)] <jessm> just so you all know, we're on a tight deadline
[08:25:49 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: there are more pages (of course)
[08:26:10 CST(-0600)] <jessm> JT is presenting this to Hewlett tomorrow @1p
[08:26:28 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> i see
[08:29:10 CST(-0600)] <michelled> colinclark: so it would appear that we do have the largest available video. I could scale it up using CSS although I'm can't yet judge how difficult it is going to be to retain the current flow of everything in the video player
[08:29:16 CST(-0600)] <michelled> colinclark: do you think it's worth exploring?
[08:29:22 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> no
[08:29:26 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> that would look awful
[08:29:26 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> so cindyli, in order to be able to upload files, we need to add some of the tools to the interface somewhere. I don't know if jameswy wants to comment on where in the UI they should go, but we'll need the 'upload files' functionality. There was also talk before I left wanting to be able to rename files
[08:30:14 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> ok, anastasiac
[08:30:49 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> we will address that once I get the new navigation menu in place
[08:31:04 CST(-0600)] <alexn2> michelled: just a quick question. Do I need to create a separate JIRA for switching off captions and transcripts by default? There is a task in the Floe Demo Plan
[08:32:10 CST(-0600)] <michelled> up to you alexn2 - it probably fits under the other caption and transcript JIRAs but it would also be an easy JIRA to create
[08:32:22 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: colinclark posted a renaming page from mediawiki help yesterday – lemme find it
[08:32:31 CST(-0600)] <michelled> thx colinclark - you're right - I had jameswy take a look at the scaled up video 
[08:32:43 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> cindyli, fyi, I've figured out how to upload files without the need for a link in the UI, so I'm good for now
[08:33:06 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> cool, anastasiac, thanks
[08:33:08 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Moving_a_page that's moving a page, but renaming is also in there too
[08:33:08 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> michelled: Why would you torture jameswy like that? 
[08:33:17 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: there's a pretty lovely guide to using mediawiki there
[08:34:06 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> thanks, jessm - has anyone successfully renamed a page yet? I think there was a question of permissions
[08:34:42 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> Bosmon, yura, colinclark, michelled, anastasiac: do you any of you know if a component automatically fires an event after it is finished initializing.Basically in my case, i want to test that a subcomponent has done something on initialization, but it waits till after the parent has finished rendering to initialize. However, listening to the the afterRender event appears to be too soon, for the test.
[08:34:43 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: give it a whirl, but we need to scoot and decided on page names for now
[08:35:14 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: we also need to add the links to the pages: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Links
[08:35:20 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Just about everyone working on the ILDH, and a few who aren't, are now Bureaucrats
[08:35:25 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> so hopefully that will help with permissions
[08:35:43 CST(-0600)] <jessm> who you calling bureaucrat??
[08:35:47 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> avtar is on high alert today regarding the ILDH, but hopefully we won't have to disturb him too much
[08:35:57 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jameswy, I'm helping out with the ILDH, starting with the video content and learning page - do you have the original images, so I can upload them?
[08:36:13 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: i believe they're in the wiki
[08:36:18 CST(-0600)] <jessm> jvass did the work on them
[08:36:25 CST(-0600)] <jessm> do a look
[08:36:36 CST(-0600)] <jessm> "the wiki" meaning fluid wiki
[08:37:04 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> james has lots of writing ahead of him today, so we're trying to disturb him as little as possible, too
[08:37:13 CST(-0600)] <jameswy>
[08:37:24 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: indeed: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Video+Player+Design+%28February%29
[08:37:27 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> never mind i just stuck a last priority in my test listener, and it seems to be working now
[08:37:43 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> thanks, jessm
[08:38:26 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> fluid-everyone: Speaking of distractions, I wanted to remind you all that Janet Swisher, who coordinates community documentation work for Mozilla, will be visiting the IDRC for a bit today.
[08:38:34 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> You're all welcome to join us for lunch
[08:38:52 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> and if there's still an appetite for learning, I'm sure she'd be happy to talk about some of her experiences with open source documentation
[08:39:22 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> and she's only here for a bit, so it won't be too much of a distraction from the ILDH and the Video Player
[08:50:19 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: so if I can sum up what we're trying to do: 1. format loveliness in mediawiki for the 8 pages we've created (I will pass along urls next), 2. add rich materials (most of them from the Fluid wiki) which will take some interpretation of the docs (I can help here, but would benefit from another interested party also digging), 3. i'm not sure what it is yet, but I'll come up with a 3rd thing
[08:51:16 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, for point #2: do you mean read the 8 pages and come up with ideas for what rich materials we could add?
[08:52:03 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: i mean there are often references within the pages to materials that need to be added – go and find them is more what i have in mind. it'll take some close collaboration (i'm here). and yes, read what you're doing
[08:52:17 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> gotcha
[08:52:27 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: but i'd say it's a skim job – not a curl up next to the fire read
[08:54:32 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i'm going to dive into: http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Inclusive_learning now
[08:54:36 CST(-0600)] <jessm> here are the 8 urls:
[08:54:52 CST(-0600)] <jessm> http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Accessibility_principles
[08:54:59 CST(-0600)] <jessm> http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Learner_needs_and_preferences
[08:55:04 CST(-0600)] <jessm> http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Video_content_and_learning#BODY
[08:55:10 CST(-0600)] <jessm> http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Audio_content_and_learning
[08:55:16 CST(-0600)] <jessm> http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Authoring_of_content
[08:55:22 CST(-0600)] <jessm> http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Content_simplification
[08:56:14 CST(-0600)] <jessm> ah, only 7 – we absorbed one last night
[08:56:24 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm and/or jameswy: Regarding the heading colours I'm seeing in the google doc (blue and green): Are these to be global styles we want over all the pages?
[08:56:41 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> also image caption colour = blue
[08:56:50 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: do the body formatting before we play with color i'd think
[08:56:59 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> ok
[09:09:16 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> michelled: This commit has reasonable hi-fi styling for the captions and transcript buttons. Care to take a peek when you have a spare moment? https://github.com/colinbdclark/videoPlayer/commit/3cf9300dc11d6a1e494965c4eb3b9704e2cda570
[09:09:50 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I've still got some minor sizing issues to deal with in the Mammals file
[09:09:54 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> it's a bit odd
[09:10:44 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> These styles appear to hold up moderately well to font size and linespacing adjustments with UIO, which is a good sign
[09:10:59 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> and Johnny has sent along a possible solution for making our buttons more adaptive, so I'll look at that shortly
[09:11:27 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> michelled: After standup, let's go through our remaining tasks and decide which ones to jettison
[09:11:48 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I think we're getting to the stage where we'll want to focus on making things work and look like they're working and pretty much leave it at that
[09:11:57 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> so it's good that we've got a lot of styling emphasis
[09:31:09 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: have you figured out how to upload a file into the ILDH yet?
[09:31:13 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i need to get one in
[09:31:27 CST(-0600)] <jessm> and this is what i'm going from : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Managing_files
[09:39:10 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: ^?
[09:39:52 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, sorry - I was away from my desk
[09:40:03 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> yes, you can upload files by entering a particular url directly:
[09:40:18 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Special:Upload
[09:40:26 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> then, you can reference the file anywhere
[09:40:32 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> I've done this for the Video page
[09:41:34 CST(-0600)] <jessm> ah, great
[09:41:35 CST(-0600)] <jessm> thanks
[09:46:35 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: will you ping me when you're done with video?
[09:46:43 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> k
[10:03:22 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, I'm just tracking down the last couple of links to add to the video page, but if you want, you can have a look, let me know if there's anything else to prioritize
[10:03:37 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> michelled, could you provide me with a link to the video player demo deployment?
[10:03:49 CST(-0600)] <michelled> http://build.fluidproject.org/videodemo/videoPlayer/demos/Mammals.html
[10:04:09 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jameswy, on the Video Content and Learning page, there's a link to "See Content preferences" - not sure where that should be going?
[10:04:12 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> thanks, michelled
[10:04:17 CST(-0600)] <michelled> np
[10:04:29 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> anastasiac: It goes to a page I'm still writing,
[10:04:59 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> okley
[10:05:01 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: there are a few formatting bits to look at, but let's do that later
[10:05:10 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: can you help me with some image issues i'm having?
[10:05:20 CST(-0600)] <jessm> http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Inclusive_learning
[10:05:55 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i've put in a screen grab of the slide 1, want the user to go to the link upon clicking the image and also have the link underneath in a caption – i'm having trouble with the click-able image
[10:06:59 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> having a look, jessm...
[10:07:52 CST(-0600)] <jessm> I'd like to do the same on that page anastasiac with a screen capture of floe studios
[10:07:56 CST(-0600)] <jessm> clickable pic
[10:08:26 CST(-0600)] <jessm> cindyli: you doing ok on navigation?
[10:08:54 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> yes, jessm, the script is ready. trying to fix the styling
[10:09:01 CST(-0600)] <jessm> nice!
[10:09:08 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> mainly the indentation at the 2nd level
[10:12:46 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: and i wanted to upload this: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/download/attachments/16777592/Floe+concept+design+mindmap.png?version=5&modificationDate=1289233201000
[10:12:54 CST(-0600)] <jessm> and point to it from a click-able thumbnail
[10:13:10 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i'm sitting here trying to decipher the image link stuff and i'm sure you already have it down
[10:13:20 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i'll move onto content on another page while you're working there
[10:13:49 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, I think I'm having the same trouble you probably had with overriding the default link destination for an image: the link option doesn't seem to work with the frame and layout options in place… working on it
[10:17:34 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> jessm: new navigation - http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php?title=Introduction
[10:17:59 CST(-0600)] <jessm> awesome
[10:18:06 CST(-0600)] <jessm> cindyli: small tweaks?
[10:18:15 CST(-0600)] <jessm> can we just have Home and delete the ILDH
[10:18:28 CST(-0600)] <jessm> and can you delete the "SKIP" – that was a note from James to me
[10:18:28 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> sure
[10:18:47 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> all the "SKIP"s? sure
[10:18:56 CST(-0600)] <jessm> cindyli: looks great! yes, lose the "SKIP"s
[10:19:24 CST(-0600)] <jessm> cindyli: in fact those are not the right urls
[10:19:33 CST(-0600)] <jessm> see ^^ i pasted in the 7 urls for the new pages
[10:19:37 CST(-0600)] <jessm> they've all been created
[10:19:55 CST(-0600)] <jessm> jessm: i'm going to dive into: http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Inclusive_learning now
[10:19:55 CST(-0600)] <jessm> [2:54pm] jessm: here are the 8 urls:
[10:19:55 CST(-0600)] <jessm> [2:54pm] jessm: http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Accessibility_principles
[10:19:56 CST(-0600)] <jessm> [2:54pm] jessm: http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Learner_needs_and_preferences
[10:19:56 CST(-0600)] <jessm> [2:55pm] jessm: http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Video_content_and_learning#BODY
[10:19:56 CST(-0600)] <jessm> [2:55pm] jessm: http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Audio_content_and_learning
[10:19:56 CST(-0600)] <jessm> [2:55pm] jessm: http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Authoring_of_content
[10:19:57 CST(-0600)] <jessm> [2:55pm] jessm: http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Content_simplification
[10:20:05 CST(-0600)] <jessm> cindyli: there are all the pages
[10:20:12 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> ok, i will find out the way to create the re-direction
[10:20:18 CST(-0600)] <jessm> oops, minus the #BODY on video
[10:20:26 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> ok
[10:21:11 CST(-0600)] <jessm> and Home should point to: http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php
[10:21:33 CST(-0600)] <jessm> cindyli: does that last one make sense?
[10:21:50 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> which last one?
[10:21:57 CST(-0600)] <jessm> home
[10:22:29 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i think http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php has a redirect to http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Introduction
[10:22:46 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, I got the link on the image to work, using a workaround: if you use the link= option without the frame or formatting options, the link works. But you then have to add the caption separately, again.
[10:23:00 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: cool
[10:23:35 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: are you moving onto the mind map now?
[10:23:43 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, do you want me to keep going on the images and links on the inclusive learning page?
[10:23:47 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> ah, I guess so
[10:23:50 CST(-0600)] <jessm>
[10:24:21 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: i'm wondering if we're going to want to change the size of that slideshare image? let's get the mind map in there and have a look
[10:24:30 CST(-0600)] <jessm> there are a few other links I wanted to put in there too
[10:24:36 CST(-0600)] <jessm> studios is the other i mentioned above
[10:24:36 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> k
[10:31:46 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> cindyli, the handbook is having trouble creating thumbnails, and it seems it might be a memory problem. There's a thread here explaining how to increase it: http://www.mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?15782-Error-creating-thumbnail-libgomp-Thread-creation-failed... - would you be able to try this?
[10:32:10 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> the $wgMaxShellMemory options
[10:32:11 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> sure
[10:33:54 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, the handbook is having trouble creating thumbnails. cindyli is going to try to increase the memory. In the meantime, I'll look into other links on the page
[10:55:12 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: i'm going to share james' latest google doc page that is ready to go into the wiki
[10:56:03 CST(-0600)] <jessm> it's called learner needs and prefs and it goes here: http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php?title=Learner_needs_and_preferences
[10:56:57 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: i'm going to be out from about 12:30 until 1:45 – so, i'm giving you that in case you finish up with the inclusive learning page
[11:01:32 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, got it. I'll be out for lunch with Janet Swisher myself, but I'll move on to that page asap
[11:01:52 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> avtar, here's the page with the thumbnail error: http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Inclusive_learning
[11:02:30 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> avtar: a thread discussing the $wgMaxShellMemory flag as a possible fix: http://www.mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?15782-Error-creating-thumbnail-libgomp-Thread-creation-failed
[11:06:44 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> michelled, do we have any wiki page that might be considered the "home page" of the video player stuff? An introduction/explanation?
[11:10:21 CST(-0600)] <michelled> http://studios.fluidproject.org/?p=1
[11:10:29 CST(-0600)] <michelled> anastasiac: ^
[11:10:46 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> ah, right! thanks, michelled
[11:13:38 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> jessm: i added the redirection to point the access on "Home" link to page "Introduction".
[11:13:50 CST(-0600)] <avtar> anastasiac, cindyli: unfortunately it doesn't look like we can use that setting here, it was introduced in mediawiki 1.7 :/
[11:14:03 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> shoot
[11:14:14 CST(-0600)] <michelled> colinclark: are you at the point where you'd like to hand off your 4596 branch?
[11:14:19 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> I noticed the link "http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php?title=Learner_needs_and_preferences" is wrapped into 2 lines. Do you like it this way or prefer "no wrap"?
[11:14:29 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> jessm: ^
[11:14:58 CST(-0600)] <jessm> cindyli: interesting
[11:15:04 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i don't see that in firefox on mac
[11:15:11 CST(-0600)] <jessm> even with resizine
[11:15:13 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> i'm using firefox on mac
[11:15:14 CST(-0600)] <jessm> resizing
[11:15:21 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> ah ha
[11:15:21 CST(-0600)] <jessm> you see it broken into two lines?
[11:15:38 CST(-0600)] <avtar> anastasiac, cindyli: i'm going to set up a new mediawiki instance
[11:15:45 CST(-0600)] <jessm> oh, idd you mean the link or the header on the page?
[11:15:48 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> yes, jessm
[11:15:50 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> the link
[11:16:00 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> inside the navigation menu
[11:16:00 CST(-0600)] <jessm> cindyli: in the navigation, right?
[11:16:04 CST(-0600)] <jessm> wow, weird
[11:16:07 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i don't see it wrapped
[11:16:08 CST(-0600)] <avtar> first with this current version to have on hand just in case
[11:16:16 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> try increasing the text size
[11:16:20 CST(-0600)] <avtar> and then with version 1.18 to test
[11:16:29 CST(-0600)] <jessm> cindyli: nope
[11:16:32 CST(-0600)] <jessm> still no wrap
[11:16:44 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> ok, forget it for now
[11:17:11 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, fyi I've uploaded the images for the Learner preferences page, so they're ready to go (all file names start with "Uio-*"
[11:17:45 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: you might get to them before i do
[11:17:52 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i haven't imported the text – should i?
[11:17:57 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> yes, but I thought I'd let you know, just in case
[11:18:02 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: i was just doing a copy/paste from google docs
[11:18:15 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> no, I can do it, just an fyi
[11:18:34 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: roger that
[11:18:45 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, I still haven't finished the changes you wanted on the Inclusive Learning page
[11:18:55 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: the inclusive learning page is on hold for now until thumbnails work?
[11:18:59 CST(-0600)] <jessm> ah, right-o
[11:19:15 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> yes, but I thought you wanted some other image added as well...
[11:19:21 CST(-0600)] * anastasiac reviews logs
[11:19:51 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> floe studios, that was it
[11:20:06 CST(-0600)] <jessm> yes
[11:20:11 CST(-0600)] <avtar> anastasiac: any idea what the resolution of that image is?
[11:20:16 CST(-0600)] <jessm> and then consideration for image size and placement
[11:20:45 CST(-0600)] <avtar> nm
[11:20:50 CST(-0600)] <avtar> 2,140×1,332
[11:20:51 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> avtar, the original image is at wiki.fluidproject.org/download/attachments/16777592/Floe+concept+design+mindmap.png?version=5&modificationDate=1289233201000
[11:22:33 CST(-0600)] <avtar> another suggested workaround seems to be to reduce the size of the image for which the thumbnail is being generated
[11:23:07 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> avtar, that was going to be my next attempt
[11:24:26 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: add to your list – once thumbnails get working can you put a thumb at the StoryCard on the video page that acts as an anchor to the images at the bottom of that page?
[11:24:51 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, will do
[11:24:58 CST(-0600)] <jessm> thx!
[11:36:24 CST(-0600)] <michelled> alexn1: in your 4622 branch, one of the captionator tests is failing
[11:42:35 CST(-0600)] <alexn1> michelled: oh I know what it is. Since we set in a VideoPlayer that captions and transcripts are disabled by default now if you do not specify display flags they are off.
[11:42:58 CST(-0600)] <alexn1> while my tests are not up to date thinking that they would be ON by default
[11:43:07 CST(-0600)] <michelled> ah, makes sense
[11:43:10 CST(-0600)] <alexn1> let me make a quick fix and push the branch
[11:43:16 CST(-0600)] <michelled> thanks
[11:56:39 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> michelled, alexn1: This code is now all yours https://github.com/colinbdclark/videoPlayer/tree/FLUID-4596
[11:56:45 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I hope it's okay
[11:56:50 CST(-0600)] <michelled> thanks colinclark
[12:39:01 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - usually "afterRender" is extremely late - for what purposes are you finding it too early?
[12:40:50 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: it's okay i figured it out, by setting a priority.. the issue was that the subcomponent was created on the parent components afterRender event, and I was using afterRender in the tests to trigger the assertions
[12:41:08 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - cool
[12:41:14 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: the tests were actually running before the subcomponent.. using a priority of last solved it
[12:41:20 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> What component are you working on?
[12:41:48 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: it's for decapod.. it's for setting up the export controls
[13:02:33 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: how's it going?
[13:05:08 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm: just got back in from lunch. I've started on the Learning preferences page, and put a workaround into the Inclusive Learning page for the thumbnails. I added a Studios screenshot, but didn't consider final organization of the page yet
[13:05:24 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: awesome, roger that
[13:09:46 CST(-0600)] <avtar> anastasiac: ah, so that smaller image worked?
[13:10:09 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> avtar, no, I just put a smaller image and linked it to the large image on the wiki
[13:10:30 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> Perhaps a much, much smaller image might have worked, but then I would have had to put a link in to the larger image, so...
[13:10:46 CST(-0600)] <alexn1> michelled, colinclark: could you guys take a look into this branch and let me know what you think
[13:10:47 CST(-0600)] <alexn1> https://github.com/xOZx/videoPlayer/tree/c-FLUID-4596
[13:11:00 CST(-0600)] <alexn1> I finished styling of the buttons depending on the selected theme
[13:11:02 CST(-0600)] <alexn1> the diff is
[13:11:07 CST(-0600)] <alexn1> https://github.com/xOZx/videoPlayer/compare/michelled:demo...c-FLUID-4596
[13:11:21 CST(-0600)] <avtar> ok, that doesn't sound ideal either
[13:11:38 CST(-0600)] <alexn1> basically instead of using additional names on the images like yellow_ and so forth, I just let the images sit in different folders instead
[13:28:35 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> avtar, is there any luck we can figure out how to get thumbnails working? I'm running across many places where it would be useful
[13:32:03 CST(-0600)] <michelled> alexn1, cindyli: we need to get the red items on the demo todo list done first.
[13:32:28 CST(-0600)] <avtar> anastasiac: i'm setting up mediawiki on a new vm where i'll test the upgrade process to 1.18.1
[13:32:36 CST(-0600)] <michelled> so I'm wondering where we are at with the 4596 branch
[13:32:58 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> ok, avtar, let me know how it goes
[13:33:10 CST(-0600)] <avtar> will do
[13:33:25 CST(-0600)] <alexn1> michelled: I took the branch from colinclark and added stylings to change buttons depending on the contrast theme
[13:33:47 CST(-0600)] <michelled> alexn1: do you think it's ready?
[13:33:54 CST(-0600)] <alexn1> there is still a weird issue that buttons are shown differently in different browsers and colinclark will take a look into it
[13:34:03 CST(-0600)] <michelled> ok, great
[13:34:17 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> jessm, anastasiac: Audio content and learning portion ready.
[13:34:26 CST(-0600)] <michelled> so, alexn1 and cindyli: I think you should work on transcript placement when the text size is maxed out
[13:34:37 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jameswy, thanks
[13:34:38 CST(-0600)] <michelled> it's looking bad right now
[13:34:40 CST(-0600)] <alexn1> michelled: I would not say that it is ready since I think that there are few other components which also require styling as transcripts, if you ask my opinion
[13:34:56 CST(-0600)] <jessm> jameswy: roger that
[13:35:26 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> cindyli, jessm: Could we style the TOC a tiny bit? Bold "Introduction" and "Body/techniques/something?", and indent the rest.
[13:35:36 CST(-0600)] <michelled> alexn1, cindyli: don't worry about responding immediately to changes in UIO - we'll wait for Bosmon's changes there. but if you set your text size to the max and then refresh the page the transcripts go below the container
[13:35:58 CST(-0600)] <jessm> jameswy: i'm wondering if a bit of style is what the postponement of the mtg. bought us?
[13:36:04 CST(-0600)] <michelled> alexn1, cindyli: fixing this probably means moving to css from the programatic stuff we are doing
[13:36:08 CST(-0600)] <jessm> jameswy: anastasiac was asking about page styling
[13:36:22 CST(-0600)] <michelled> alexn1, cindyli: sound good?
[13:36:24 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> jameswy: Isn't the rest indented already?
[13:36:42 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> cindyli: Weeeird... I just refreshed again, it works now.
[13:37:12 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> cool, jameswy, you still need the bold first level though
[13:37:14 CST(-0600)] <alexn1> michelled: It is a pretty big and complex problem to be honest since changing markup will result into the css styling mess once again. but we will give it a shot
[13:37:31 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> jessm, anastasiac: Depending on how much time we have for page styling... http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Inclusive+Learning+Design+Handbook+%28November+2011%29
[13:37:49 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> ooh, that's beautiful
[13:38:02 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> seems like it's worth doing once we're really happy with the content
[13:38:18 CST(-0600)] <jessm> shiny, pretty
[13:38:23 CST(-0600)] <jessm> sexy, dare i say jameswy ?
[13:38:33 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> Haha. Yes.
[13:38:39 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> Designs courtesy of jvass.
[13:38:52 CST(-0600)] <jessm> jvass: very nice
[13:40:25 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jameswy, are you working on content for "Font readability," or is that an external link?
[13:41:47 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jvass: You rule!
[13:44:04 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> alexn1: Your branch doesn't seem to actually add the high contrast images to the repo
[13:44:09 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> should I do that by hand?
[13:44:39 CST(-0600)] <alexn1> colinclark: give me a sec
[13:46:05 CST(-0600)] <alexn1> colinclark: what about now ?
[13:46:39 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> alexn1: sweet, thanks
[13:47:05 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> alexn1: There's a size attribute here that is getting overridden
[13:47:06 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> my bug
[13:47:08 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> lemme have a look
[13:47:14 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> anastasiac: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/download/attachments/17663898/Floe+transformation+space.png?version=2&modificationDate=1291153025000
[13:47:18 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> thanks
[13:47:38 CST(-0600)] <jessm> jvass: i kid you not, i was just wishing for a right column for images...
[13:47:39 CST(-0600)] <jessm> sigh
[13:48:02 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jvass: You know what?
[13:48:09 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I just realize that you rule even more than I thought
[13:48:14 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Look at those percentage-based layouts!
[13:48:25 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> SERIOUSLY!
[13:49:39 CST(-0600)] <jvass>
[13:51:55 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> jessm: What can I do to help?
[13:52:21 CST(-0600)] <jessm> jameswy: i'm still sighing over jvass' designs
[13:52:24 CST(-0600)] <jessm> ok, refocus!
[13:52:28 CST(-0600)] <jessm> authoring i was tinkering with
[13:52:34 CST(-0600)] <jessm> text-wise
[13:52:40 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i need to go back to inclusive design
[13:52:45 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: which one are you in now?
[13:53:02 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, other than issues with image sizes (waiting for update from avtar on upgrade), I've just finished up with the Learning prefs page
[13:53:17 CST(-0600)] <jessm> you moving onto audio anastasiac?
[13:53:25 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> I can move on to audio content authoring
[13:53:52 CST(-0600)] <jessm> cool
[13:53:56 CST(-0600)] <jessm> jameswy: have a look at authoring
[13:54:08 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> alexn1: The interesting thing is that Gecko and WebKit seem to have different cascades for background-size, but I think I'll probably just have to play with specificity a bit
[13:54:16 CST(-0600)] <jessm> it's a lot of uploading screenshots that we don't have, so i'm not sure if you want to hand that one off to anastasiac when she's done with audio
[13:54:19 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> jessm: Okay.
[13:54:49 CST(-0600)] <jessm> jameswy: otherwise, I just plunked clayton's draft notes into content simplification – it needs some structure and love
[13:54:52 CST(-0600)] <jessm> and attribution
[13:55:31 CST(-0600)] <jessm> jameswy: i also edited the front page – it was very wordy
[13:55:42 CST(-0600)] <jessm> still is, but not as bad i don't think
[13:57:38 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> jessm, anastasiac: Also (and I think this is a bit funny), "Storycard" and "Body" weren't really meant to be headings. Storycard was supposed to be a pithy summary section (like the right sidebar on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc. ), and body was just the main content dump
[13:57:54 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac>
[13:57:58 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> good to know
[13:58:24 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> I'll look into right sidebars in mediawiki
[13:58:36 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> alexn1: Actually the bug is yours
[13:58:50 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> When you're finished pairing with Cindy, we can chat about it if you want
[13:58:51 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> easy fix
[14:03:08 CST(-0600)] <alexn1> colinclark: sounds interesting. It should take a while for me and Cindy here though…. 
[14:18:35 CST(-0600)] <jessm> jameswy: i'm getting overwhelmed so i'm going to go back to just focusing on inclusive learning and a11y for now
[14:18:36 CST(-0600)] <jessm> that ok?
[14:18:44 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> jessm: Yup.
[14:19:01 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jameswy, jessm: the 'right sidebar' that jameswy is thinking of for the story card is called an 'infobox' - it's an extension that wikipedia has, that's not present in mediawiki by default. It's possible to add it, but that would take a bit of time and effort
[14:19:12 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> we might be able to simulate it using CSS alone
[14:19:29 CST(-0600)] <jessm> why would simulating be less time and effort?
[14:19:53 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> it would be strictly css (plus a <div> added to the actual content
[14:20:05 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> the plugin involves adding files to mediawiki itself, etc
[14:20:38 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: that smells like an avtar conversation
[14:21:24 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> yes, it does. The page I've found describing how the 'infobox' can be added is at http://www.jezza101.co.uk/mediawiki/adding-infoboxes-to-mediawiki-powered-sites
[14:21:41 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> but avtar is investigating the upgrade right now, so we'll wait on that one
[14:21:57 CST(-0600)] <jessm> jameswy: navigation still needs a decision: Body/techniques/something? doesn't quite fit
[14:22:19 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> jessm: I rather like it! Gives our ILDH a very "work in progress" feel.
[14:22:33 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jameswy, regarding all the images you're using in the various google docs: is there a central location for them, say, on the wiki?
[14:22:53 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> anastasiac: Nope.
[14:23:13 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: most of them are from within http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Floe+design
[14:23:20 CST(-0600)] <jessm> but that's not meaningful since that's huge
[14:23:51 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jameswy, could you airdrop me the images for the Audio content page?
[14:24:30 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> anastasiac: Yep
[14:27:48 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: we're still waiting for thumbnails? right?
[14:28:17 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> right, avtar seems to think upgrading would help. But he's just left with colinclark to meet about the server rfp
[14:33:01 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: any idea how to make the slideshare pic as big/small as the other two images on the page on inclusive learning?
[14:33:50 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, I made the other images smaller by shrinking it in an image editor and uploading the alternative version. Not ideal...
[14:34:02 CST(-0600)] <jessm> no, not
[14:34:03 CST(-0600)] <jessm> ok
[14:34:06 CST(-0600)] <jessm> wait then
[14:34:11 CST(-0600)] <jessm> not an immediate need
[14:34:17 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> sounds good.
[14:36:45 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jameswy, in the Audio content page, you say at one point 'see below, under “Contrast changes” under “For text-based content”' but I see no such headings or topics on that page… should these be linking to another page?
[14:59:57 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> jhung: i'm heading out now.. if you look at my current work for decapod it's not exactly in a working state. There's some odd behaviour with the unit tests and an event. I'll be looking into it more tomorrow
[15:00:17 CST(-0600)] <jhung> justin_o: thanks
[15:00:22 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, jameswy: I'm running out of things to do
[15:00:37 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> I see the content simplification page needs formatting help - should I take that on?
[15:15:31 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> fluid-everyone: Our presentation of the ILDH and the demo of the VideoPlayer will now be on March 6 from 5-6 pm EST
[15:25:26 CST(-0600)] <avtar> colinclark, michelled: here's another instance of the handbook.floeproject.org wiki that we discussed after standup http://ec2-23-20-112-96.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[15:26:16 CST(-0600)] <avtar> anastasiac: could you please show me where else that thumbnail generate error occurs so i know what to test before/after upgrading this instance
[15:26:17 CST(-0600)] <avtar> ?
[15:26:47 CST(-0600)] <michelled> thx avtar
[15:27:10 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> avtar, you can see it here: http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/File:Floe_concept_design_mindmap.png
[15:27:23 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> ah, hm
[15:27:48 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> avtar: http://handbook.floeproject.org/index.php/Special:ListFiles and then click on the "Floe_concept_design_mindmap.png" link
[15:49:14 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jameswy, are there more pages of content I can help with?
[15:50:05 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> I don't believe so. Audio content learning, Video content and learning, Learner needs and preferences were the ones I was working on within Google docs. I've migrated to working within the wiki directly.
[15:50:47 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> I imagine we need to do something about styling, to mitigate the horror that is the wiki right now, especially we don't have time to implement a full iteration.
[15:50:47 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> okley. I see that the content simplification page needs work - can I help with formatting that, perhaps? or is the content still in development?
[15:51:34 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> we should probably have a wider discussion about how to improve the styling, i.e. more people involved, etc
[15:51:40 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> I think Jess is still working on that page (Content simplification)
[15:51:57 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> I'm happy to work on the styling, but we should figure out what to aim for
[15:52:20 CST(-0600)] <jameswy> Right. Maybe we can dive into that tomorrow morning?
[15:53:40 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> sounds good
[15:58:34 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> michelled: I will try to put this one in today...
[15:58:37 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> but if not, for your list....
[15:58:44 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> This is the font Joanna has used: http://www.google.com/webfonts#QuickUsePlace:quickUse/Family:Open+Sans:300
[15:58:54 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> We need to embed it in our CSS, not link to it separate
[15:58:55 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> ly
[15:58:59 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Google's servers can be quite slow
[15:59:20 CST(-0600)] <michelled> ok
[16:11:55 CST(-0600)] <avtar> anastasiac: any idea where customizations were made to that wiki besides the 'extensions' and 'skins' directories?
[16:12:12 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> let me check, avtar
[16:14:24 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> avtar, it looks like three images were added to the images folder
[16:14:39 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> two, I think:
[16:14:40 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> images/Creative_commons_2.5_88x31.png
[16:14:40 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> images/Hewlett_foundation_logo.png
[16:15:41 CST(-0600)] <avtar> anastasiac: i upgraded the temporary wiki to 1.18.1 and didn't encounter any serious issues related to mediawiki itself
[16:15:50 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> good start
[16:15:54 CST(-0600)] <avtar> but
[16:16:10 CST(-0600)] <avtar> but now it's failing quite impressively
[16:16:16 CST(-0600)] <avtar> http://ec2-23-20-112-96.compute-1.amazonaws.com/index.php/Introduction
[16:16:16 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> yes, I see that
[16:16:46 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> odd
[16:16:49 CST(-0600)] <avtar> there's a strack trace generated if you check the source
[16:20:58 CST(-0600)] <avtar> "When upgrading to 1.18.x custom skins may give errors. replace tooltipAndAccesskey with tooltipAndAccesskeyAttribs."
[16:21:22 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> so we'll have to make this change in our skin
[16:21:42 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> you can try it by editing skins/Floe.php, line 113 I belive
[16:23:37 CST(-0600)] <avtar> some progress
[16:23:46 CST(-0600)] <avtar> http://ec2-23-20-112-96.compute-1.amazonaws.com/index.php
[16:24:11 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> interesting...
[16:26:13 CST(-0600)] <avtar> success
[16:26:32 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> yay!
[16:27:53 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> and thumbnails seem to work, avtar - this is definitely progress!
[16:27:55 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> nice work
[16:28:17 CST(-0600)] <avtar> http://ec2-23-20-112-96.compute-1.amazonaws.com/index.php/File:Floe_concept_design_mindmap.png
[16:28:30 CST(-0600)] <avtar> ok
[16:28:35 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> I checked, it's ok
[16:28:41 CST(-0600)] <avtar> so at least we know that upgrading will resolve this issue
[16:34:48 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> avtar, one important thing not working: UIOptions
[16:35:12 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> infusion is not being included, avtar
[16:36:59 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> can't tell why… it's in the extensions folder, so it should have been preserved. maybe the new version handles extensions differently, avtar?
[16:38:09 CST(-0600)] <avtar> hmm, i see it in the extensions directory here