fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-02-03

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[10:19:07 EST(-0500)] <jessm_> anyone know how to change the navigation in the wiki? e.g. UX Toolkit to Design Handbook – I can't remember where global nav lives
[10:21:31 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> jessm: i think this is it http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Navigation
[10:21:44 EST(-0500)] <jessm_> well, that's ridiculously logical
[10:21:47 EST(-0500)] <jessm_> thanks Justin_o
[10:21:59 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> np
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[10:23:17 EST(-0500)] <jessm_> Justin_o: do you know, would proper wiki behaviour be to change all the page names, or just to refer to them differently? to go from UX Toolkit to Design Handbook
[10:24:54 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> not 100% sure... i know that if you link to a wiki page using the name i.e. [UX Toolkit] and then change the page name, it will automatically update it for you ( i think this may only happen the next time you go to edit a page with that link)
[10:25:44 EST(-0500)] <jessm_> k, i'd better ask around before I start breaking things
[10:25:56 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o>
[10:26:07 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> you can find all the pages that link to and from a given wiki page
[10:26:29 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/pages/pageinfo.action?pageId=1704195
[10:26:36 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> jessm_, if you rename a page, all of the existing links to it will automatically be updated to the new name
[10:26:46 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> should be
[10:27:14 EST(-0500)] <jessm_> so, using that logic, http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/UX+Toolkit is the page to attack?
[10:27:26 EST(-0500)] <jessm_> and then all references to it will automagically update
[10:27:29 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> right
[10:27:38 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> you should still try to double-check after that
[10:27:38 EST(-0500)] <jessm_> lemme give it a whirl – stand back!
[10:27:51 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> there may be some links that use non-standard ways, and don't get caught
[10:28:12 EST(-0500)] <jessm_> eh, voila!
[10:28:13 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac shields her eyes
[10:28:30 EST(-0500)] <jessm_> lol, you closed your eyes after the 'xplosion
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[10:28:54 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> you'll still need to search the wiki for the phrase "UX Toolkit"
[10:28:59 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> since it's mentioned in non-links
[10:28:59 EST(-0500)] <jessm_> yeppers
[10:29:05 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> e.g. the Table of Contents
[10:29:07 EST(-0500)] <laurelw> while you are there jess
[10:29:30 EST(-0500)] <laurelw> are we going with Fluid infusion or Infusion only
[10:29:55 EST(-0500)] <laurelw> the emails you forwarded earlier seemed to indicate Infusion only
[10:30:08 EST(-0500)] <jessm_> laurelw: you mean for naming? it's Fluid Infusion I think – i am often wrong in email and otherwise
[10:30:16 EST(-0500)] <laurelw> Naming
[10:30:28 EST(-0500)] <jessm_> yes, well, naming i should also clarify
[10:30:34 EST(-0500)] <jessm_> lemme start a thread
[10:32:22 EST(-0500)] <laurelw> definately not just "fluid"
[10:32:30 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> definately!
[10:32:30 EST(-0500)] <jessm_> definitely
[10:32:51 EST(-0500)] <jessm_> of that i am sure
[10:32:54 EST(-0500)] <laurelw> ok...sp doesn't count this morning
[10:32:59 EST(-0500)] <jessm_> i am composing an email now
[10:33:03 EST(-0500)] <laurelw> my nose is too stuffed to spell
[10:33:06 EST(-0500)] <jessm_> alt spelling is allowed
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[10:43:42 EST(-0500)] <jessm> k, sent the list a thread about naming
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[10:50:15 EST(-0500)] <athena7> so i pulled down the latest fluid trunk last night - it looks like it's been switched to jquery 1.3.1 and jquery ui 1.6.rc6?
[10:50:30 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, athena7, this was just done yesterday!
[10:50:35 EST(-0500)] <athena7> cool
[10:50:54 EST(-0500)] <athena7> i tried it out in uportal and it looks like everything works perfectly, even with noConflict set to extreme
[10:51:01 EST(-0500)] * athena7 is thrilled!
[10:51:34 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> athena7, that's great to know - thanks for the update
[10:51:40 EST(-0500)] <athena7> thank you guys
[10:51:51 EST(-0500)] <athena7> you've all been unbelievably helpful
[10:52:12 EST(-0500)] <athena7> i do still see one issue in jquery ui itself though
[10:52:29 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> your feedback has been unbelievably helpful
[10:52:32 EST(-0500)] <athena7>
[10:52:33 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> what's the issue?
[10:52:49 EST(-0500)] <athena7> the datepicker widget has a couple of onclick events that refer to the "jQuery" object
[10:53:01 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> interesting!
[10:53:08 EST(-0500)] <athena7> jlee had helped us patch a previous version of the file, which of course we could do again
[10:53:18 EST(-0500)] <athena7> but i'd imagine it'd be better to get it fixed in jQuery
[10:53:31 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, you could file it against jQuery
[10:53:35 EST(-0500)] <athena7> i don't know if any of you have contacts over there, or if i should just try and submit a ticket to them
[10:53:36 EST(-0500)] <athena7> yeah
[10:53:49 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> we usually submit tickets when we find issues
[10:54:00 EST(-0500)] <athena7> ok, i figured that was the case
[10:54:07 EST(-0500)] <athena7> wanted to double check that that was a reasonable approach
[10:54:17 EST(-0500)] <athena7> the widget did improve though - it used to throw errors at page load
[10:54:24 EST(-0500)] <athena7> and now it seems only to be for onclick events
[10:54:33 EST(-0500)] <athena7> all the fluid stuff seems to be working perfeclty
[10:54:41 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> wonderful!
[10:55:03 EST(-0500)] <athena7> i think we'll probably end up including more than just the reorderer in the page
[10:55:13 EST(-0500)] <athena7> make it easier for portlets to use the other fluid features
[10:55:24 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac>
[10:56:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> wow
[10:56:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> athena7, you rule
[10:56:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> it's so nice to see nice feedback
[10:56:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> we're all so nice
[10:56:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[10:57:26 EST(-0500)] <jessm> anastasiac: i'm inclined to leave references to UX toolkit in text on older wiki pages – is this bad practice?
[10:57:40 EST(-0500)] <athena7> lol
[10:57:47 EST(-0500)] <athena7> you are all so nice
[10:57:50 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I think that would depend on what you mean by "older wiki pages"
[10:58:01 EST(-0500)] <jessm> anastasiac: October 23, 2007 Design Meeting
[10:58:22 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ah, yes, I think things like that are reasonable to leave
[10:58:28 EST(-0500)] <jessm> and obviously .pdf and .ppt aren't going to get changed
[10:58:33 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> right
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[11:35:33 EST(-0500)] <jessm> toronto, is the mtg. happening? can someone pipe me in?
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[14:29:11 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ecochran: do you have a second for a quick question
[14:31:04 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> sure
[14:31:57 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> just wondering if you have had a chance to work on fluid-2186... i'm curious if I should update the unit tests before or after you fix it
[14:32:02 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> do you have a preference
[14:32:42 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I have not had a chance to work on it. I've been on a conference call for the last 1.5 hours
[14:32:52 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'll look at it now. Give me 15
[14:33:02 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I think it's worth looking at
[14:33:14 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay... thanks
[14:33:35 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> when you say "update the unit tests" ... what updating are you planning?
[14:34:04 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: ^
[14:35:19 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> you may have missed it yesterday on the list and in the channel... it was fairly brief... basically we are going to be moving away from the forked version of qunit that we are currently using to the latest version of qunit...
[14:35:47 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> for the most part it will be identical.. the only difference is that you won't say jqUnit.ok you would just use ok...
[14:36:05 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> it seems like most people used the xUnit style of assertions anyways, which will all be the same
[14:36:33 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> cool
[14:37:29 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> if you don't have time to look at the issue right now.. i can do the update first... i don't really think it would matter either way, but i just didn't want to change something while you were working on it
[14:37:47 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'm looking now... interesting bug
[14:38:32 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> looks like it was caused by the jQuery upgrade that bosmon did the other day...
[14:38:33 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: you can go ahead and update
[14:38:40 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay.. thanks
[14:38:44 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> this is pretty localized
[14:39:06 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> thanks.. i'll send a message to the list when it is done
[14:39:54 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: the manual tests are completely broken
[14:40:43 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> some of them are... it looked like they had occured before the change though... i still have to trace them back.. specifically a couple of reorderer examples and I think the progress one
[14:40:49 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> is that what you see?
[14:41:15 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: sorry I only meant the Uploader Progress tests , yes
[14:41:38 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: also the timing of the Progress animations have completely changed in the Uploader itself
[14:41:43 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> cool beans
[14:42:03 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> sarcasm
[14:42:21 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ecochran: I'm not really sure what the timing means
[14:43:06 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: the Progress animation goes to quickly, you don't actually see the transitions anymore, or they go by so fast that they appear jumpy and not smooth
[14:44:34 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> which one are you looking at?
[14:44:40 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> the demo or the server?
[14:44:43 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> and which OS
[14:44:45 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: I'm looking at the demo
[14:44:53 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> FF3 ... Mac
[14:44:59 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> let me take a look...
[14:45:02 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'll take a look at builds too
[14:45:08 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> and then try some other browsers
[14:45:40 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'm more curious with way the manual tests broke... although I suspect that you are right, that they probably broke a long time ago
[14:45:42 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> hmm... it seems to be going the same as it did before
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[14:46:08 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'm pretty tuned into those animations... they seem much faster to me
[14:47:10 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Is everyone else seeing these new console warnings from the server "JQuery is not defined"
[14:47:46 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i'm seeing those in a couple of manual tests pages for reorder stuff... but they seemed to have been broken before the upgrade
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[14:47:57 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: I can't run http://build.fluidproject.org:8080/sakai-imagegallery2-web/site/AddImages/
[14:47:59 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> at all
[14:48:12 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ecochran: that's interesting...
[14:48:20 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> FF3/Mac still
[14:48:32 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'm going to try flushing my cache
[14:49:27 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> not working for me either... i'm guessing that it may not have been updated... i don't think it is part of trunk so it may be looking for the old version of jQuery still...
[14:49:40 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> and it just hasn't been changed to point at 1.3.1
[14:50:03 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> just checked its source and it looks like that is the case
[14:50:16 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: OK
[14:50:21 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> I don't know where you guys have this file though..
[14:50:32 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> so I'll file a bug for it and assign it to you, is that okay
[14:50:33 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> well that's a relief
[14:50:38 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yep
[14:51:12 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> yes.. it would be horrible if it was completely broken
[14:51:15 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> should be enough to just rebuild the server from the console, should pick it up
[14:51:27 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'll try it locally
[14:52:55 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: I know part of the problem. Colin and I noticed last week the POM for the Image Gallery was not updated to get the 0.8 tag
[14:53:09 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'll check the new POM in right now... do you have a bug number yet?
[14:53:14 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: ^
[14:53:26 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> FLUID-2189
[14:53:48 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: thx... you are the king even during development
[14:53:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[14:54:33 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> Thanks... i think i need smiley that has a crown
[15:15:51 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: the fix is in for FLUID-2189
[15:16:05 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> thanks ecochran
[15:16:17 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Please rebuild builds at your convenience
[15:17:18 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o colinclark : The Uploader is very snappy with this version of jQuery on FF3 on the Mac
[15:17:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Everyone seems to be marveling at the new-found snappiness after the upgrade.
[15:17:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Jacob was just observing how much better UI Options looks.
[15:18:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> They've clearly substantially improved the speed and smoothness of animations.
[15:18:13 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> it's very impressive
[15:18:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We'll have to send them a nice note.
[15:18:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Maybe some chocolates for valentine's day.
[15:18:35 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> and a box of chocolates
[15:18:37 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> or a beer
[15:18:43 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> like minds
[15:18:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[15:18:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> darcie and i always do pizza and beer for valentine's day
[15:18:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> it's awesome
[15:19:34 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'm going to tweak some of the animation timings on the Uploader because I had them up really high to make up for the slowness, now that they're faster, they are too fast
[15:20:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Great
[15:20:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> That's pretty much just a change here or there to the configuration options, right?
[15:21:13 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> pretty much
[15:21:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> You have that nice "declarative animation" feature in the progress bar.
[15:21:19 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yes
[15:21:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The more I think about that, the more I realize what a good feature it is.
[15:22:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> If michelled and Gary ever add a feature to UI Options allowing users to control the speed of animations, it will be really easy to implement.
[15:22:18 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> thx
[15:22:41 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I have to admit when i did it, I did it because I wanted to learn how to do it, more than I was sure that we needed it
[15:22:42 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ecochran: does the text look small to you on the server version of uploader
[15:22:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: I forget. Is that in any of Gary's current wireframes?
[15:22:50 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yes
[15:23:08 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I haven't had a chance to debug it... low on the bugs that are bugging me list
[15:23:16 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> yah...
[15:23:26 EST(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: no, but we've talked about it
[15:23:30 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> maybe i'll file it just so that we can keep track of it
[15:23:32 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> michelled: sorry, that yes was a response to colinclark
[15:23:34 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I think it's on the long term roadmap
[15:24:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: one easy bit of triage you could do is to compare the head of the server-side and the client-side versions of the Uploader
[15:24:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> maybe there's just a missing or incorrect import there.
[15:24:24 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sure...
[15:24:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> but it's a pretty minor issue, i think
[15:25:24 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: I suspect that it's some subtle interaction between the image-gallery.css and the fluid.layout.css
[15:25:55 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> it'd take a minute... OK, I'll look instead of talk about it
[15:27:14 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yep, battling font-size declarations.
[15:27:16 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'll fix it now
[15:28:34 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ecochran: thanks
[15:29:38 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ecochran: FLUID-2190 is for the font-size issue
[15:29:53 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> OK
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[17:49:30 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled, anastasiac, colinclark: I'm going to update the daily build site, are there any objections to doing that now
[17:49:43 EST(-0500)] <michelled> not from me
[17:49:54 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> thanks
[17:50:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Give 'er
[17:51:15 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i just finished... seems like i didn't break anything
[17:51:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> with your test suite changes?
[17:51:40 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> yes
[17:54:04 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> well i might have broken the pager tests
[17:54:17 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> but they may have already been broken... i'll have to investigate
[17:54:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Boz has just arrived again
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