fluid-work IRC Logs-2013-08-22

[04:53:43 CDT(-0500)] <Nick_Kaklanis> @kasparnet Hi Kasper! Do you know if Yura is going to join the IRC channel today? I have some questions regarding the separate repository of the RBMM.

[04:53:54 CDT(-0500)] <kasparnet> hi Nick_Kaklanis

[04:54:03 CDT(-0500)] <kasparnet> how are you doing?

[04:54:43 CDT(-0500)] <Nick_Kaklanis> fine! And you? It's my first week after holidays...

[10:44:25 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: i filed a new issue http://issues.gpii.net/browse/GPII-175

[10:44:51 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> i had to assign it to a someone, so i assigned it to you since i think you were the one who worked on the keyboard functionality

[10:45:01 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> oh man, thanks, Justin_o, will take a look on that

[10:45:07 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: i would have put it unassigned if i could, so no need to work on it right away

[10:45:14 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: thanks

[12:26:25 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: does the uiEnhancer have resourceLoaders like uio

[12:26:39 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> no, Justin_o

[12:26:58 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: so TableOfContents has to load it's own template?

[12:27:39 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> yes, Justin_o, i think toc template fetching is done by tableOfContents component

[12:28:20 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: why is it that uio isn't structured like that.. why does it have a single loader component for the templates

[12:29:10 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> Justin_o: why isn't uio structure like what?

[12:29:21 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: like uie

[12:29:39 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: why does the uio have a single loader instead of having separate ones for each component

[12:30:01 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: i guess i'm trying to figure out what the reason was for it to be created like that to know if we will need to do the same for uie

[12:32:31 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> Justin_o: I think having one loader that handles both url parsing and template fetching for all similar uio templates is more clean than doing them separately.

[12:33:04 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: so we should be doing this for UIE too then?

[12:33:44 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> UIE is a bit different, as i rmb, it only needs one template for toc, which is fetched by a pre-exisiting toc component

[12:33:47 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: i think we sort of have the assumption right now that enactors don't have any visible UI but that is already not the case with our simple TableOfContents.. and will really not be true for the enhanced one

[12:34:08 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: the text to speech component will also have a visible UI at some point too

[12:34:37 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: which seems like a bit of a trend, not to mention we will have to take into account strings for all of these too..

[12:34:55 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> ok, i see

[12:35:08 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: seem reasonable for me to file a jira for this?

[12:35:15 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> sure, Justin_o

[12:35:23 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: thanks

[12:35:26 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> np

[12:41:39 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-5121

[12:41:56 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> thanks, Justin_o

[13:16:46 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> Justin_o: i sent a pull request for discovery tool, simplified content including jon's GPII-157 branch with fl-simplify css - https://github.com/fluid-project/prefsEditors/pull/31. can you take a look when you have a chance?

[13:17:11 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: sure will do

[13:17:18 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> thanks

[13:20:48 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Hi cindyli - thanks for dealing with the 5116 comments so quickly

[13:20:59 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Do you happen to remember which one used to be the exceptional UIO configuration?

[13:21:03 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I can't seem to remember what its name was

[13:21:15 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> i cannot seem to rmb too

[13:21:45 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> michelled, anastasiac? Can you remember which is the configuration of UIO which we no longer have?

[13:22:25 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> do you mean the full UIO? http://build.fluidproject.org/infusion/tests/manual-tests/html/uiOptionsFullWithPreview.html

[13:22:37 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> http://build.fluidproject.org/infusion/tests/manual-tests/html/uiOptionsFullWithoutPreview.html

[13:22:39 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> I didn't know we'd gotten of them. the demos have moved, but we're still supporting them, no?

[13:22:47 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> michelled - clearly we still have that one!

[13:22:59 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But there used to be a single, "exceptional" configuration of UIO that wasn't like the others

[13:23:12 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> It is why we gave the name "inline" to one of our parent grades

[13:23:25 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Because, presumably, the one configuration that didn't use it wasn't "inline" in some way

[13:23:36 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But I can no longer find anything that isn't descended from it

[13:23:45 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> This would have been some decision we made in summer of 2011

[13:25:04 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I can't remember - maybe Justin_o does?

[13:28:25 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled, Bosmon: sorry i have no recollection of this either

[13:48:51 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> anastasiac: could you take a quick look at the keyboard a11y demo and see if it's still working as expected?

[13:49:02 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> will do, michelled

[13:50:28 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled, it looks pretty good to me (testing on the build site). Did you have any particular concerns? Or should I be testing locally instead of the build site?

[13:51:02 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I thought that the stars turned orange when I am going to select them

[13:51:05 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> is that not true?

[13:51:09 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> is it happening for you?

[13:51:37 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled, they do that on hover. I can't actually remember whether or not they were supposed to do it on keyboard focus. Hm...

[13:53:15 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled, you're right, it's not working properly. Here's the1.4 release version: http://fluidproject.org/releases/1.4/demos/keyboard-a11y/html/keyboard.html

[13:55:49 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> thx anastasiac

[15:02:56 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Thanks for the good work on resolving the message bundle issue, cindyli!

[15:05:55 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> my pleasure thanks for the review and merging, Bosmon

[15:43:24 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> Bosmon: ping

[15:43:41 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Hi there avtar!

[15:43:49 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> And... *KASSPPARNETT*!

[15:44:15 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> do you remember those few days when JASIGLogBot stopped cooperating?

[15:44:26 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> avtar - I remember them very vividly

[15:44:50 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> then colinbdclark, jessm, michelled, you, and i chatted about switching to static logs

[15:45:29 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> well now the cluster has been upgraded and we're not expecting any maintenance on it so it should be safe to provision new services on it

[15:45:38 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Ok

[15:45:47 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But our logs seem to be working fine now? : P

[15:46:13 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> yes

[15:46:27 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> and then i said it seems replacing it is not an emergency

[15:47:03 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> and then you said 'not being an emergency means that it might never get done' – i'm paraphrasing

[15:47:52 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> these logs get captured using supybot http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack/

[15:49:12 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> by default the channel logger plugin logs all parts, joins, etc

[15:49:50 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes - do you know if it can be configured not to?

[15:50:19 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> by default it can't be configured to do so

[15:50:31 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> removing these methods does the trick though https://github.com/jamessan/Supybot/blob/master/plugins/ChannelLogger/plugin.py#L199-L254

[15:51:12 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> i tested that before the cluster was taken offline last week

[15:56:46 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> there's also a free channel logging service

[15:56:49 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> this channel https://botbot.me/freenode/docker/ is being logged using their bot

[16:00:30 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> it will provide more features out of the box like search and links for each message

[16:29:30 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> avtar - the "docker" output looks very nice

[16:29:54 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I notice that by default it uses an algorithm for liking to messages that breaks the scrollbar.... I don't know what's wrong with good old-fashioned HTML anchors

[16:31:06 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> Bosmon: my concern with this service is that if it were to ever disappear then we would lose all logs

[16:31:31 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> That would be entirely unacceptable...

[16:31:33 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> i could however still set up supybot to log this and other channels so that we have archives

[16:31:36 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Is the source for their system not available?

[16:31:58 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> and then still see if we can utilize their service at the same time for the prettier ui and search

[16:33:30 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> Bosmon: i don't think it's an open source project

[16:33:47 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> avtar: They deserve to be criticised

[16:34:16 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> you should join #lincolnloop then

[16:36:01 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> i think using both solutions in tandem would offer benefits though

[16:40:20 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> botbot looks very pretty

[16:41:37 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> web 3.0

[16:43:09 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> !

[16:43:16 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> What is "web 3.0"? : P

[16:45:50 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> pretty colours

[16:45:58 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> i think that's about it

[16:46:01 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Surely we had those in Netscape 1.0

[16:48:08 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> Bosmon: do you have operator privileges in either #fluid-work or #fluid-tech?

[16:48:38 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> avtar - not that I can see

[16:48:48 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Don't we have the "operator-less" system over here on freenode?

[16:55:13 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> Bosmon: it looks like we need at least one op for this to move forward https://twitter.com/BotBotme/status/369857222555090944

[16:56:26 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> i figured it out, i did

[16:57:37 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> How did you do it?

[16:58:54 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> Bosmon: /msg chancerv op #fluid-work avtar

[16:59:09 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> #fluid-tech doesn't appear to be registered though

[17:00:09 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> How did it know someone wasn't impersonating your nick ...

[17:00:41 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> i believe you have to register with nickserv before requesting ops status

[17:04:16 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> Bosmon: also.. https://github.com/lincolnloop/botbot-bot