fluid-work IRC Logs-2010-03-15

[11:04:57 EST(-0500)] <jhung> Yup. Sounds good to me.
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[11:40:58 EST(-0500)] <jhung> boyan, no error messages in the console.
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[11:41:46 EST(-0500)] <jhung> There are some 404 messages being printed. I'll copy and paste into email for you.
[11:41:49 EST(-0500)] <boyan> jhung, are you getting 404 statuses there (they are written at each request line
[11:42:07 EST(-0500)] <boyan> ok, have you checked out infusion as an external
[11:42:22 EST(-0500)] <jhung> IO
[11:42:28 EST(-0500)] <jhung> boyan, I'll check
[11:43:20 EST(-0500)] <boyan> if you have no luck, e-mail me the whole output from the console, including the call to start the server
[11:43:31 EST(-0500)] <jhung> Thanks!
[11:43:59 EST(-0500)] <boyan> i'll check my e-mail at home later today and try to respond quickly
[11:44:20 EST(-0500)] <jhung> No rush.
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[12:25:20 EST(-0500)] <yura> michelled_: patch for 297 object code entry page is in http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/ENGAGE-297
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[16:24:59 EST(-0500)] <jessm> jamon: trying an achecker demo – is the server sleeping?
[16:25:59 EST(-0500)] <jamon> jessm: not that i know of
[16:26:24 EST(-0500)] <jamon> likely a poor site with lots ofjavascript is my guess
[16:26:48 EST(-0500)] <jessm> can't get the site to load now after punching in cnn.com
[16:26:56 EST(-0500)] <jessm> the site won't load at all now
[16:26:57 EST(-0500)] <jamon> cnn.cm sucks
[16:27:07 EST(-0500)] <jamon> it takes forever to validate on a good day
[16:27:15 EST(-0500)] <jamon> greg knows larger sites take longer
[16:27:34 EST(-0500)] <jamon> i can browse/use it, so it's up and working
[16:31:30 EST(-0500)] <jessm> jamon: ok, thanks
[16:31:44 EST(-0500)] <jessm> jamon: i think we made it mad by going to cnn.com
[16:32:18 EST(-0500)] <jamon> i just use google, fast, always passes
[16:32:31 EST(-0500)] <jamon> anything else, unexpected results
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[16:38:56 EST(-0500)] <jessm> jamon: yikes – well, we've rendered it unusable
[16:38:57 EST(-0500)] <jessm> sorry!
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[08:54:00 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> boyan, thanks for the email. I will try the fix when I get back home today.
[08:57:13 EDT(-0400)] <boyan> jhung, no problem, sorry about not seeing this earlier
[08:58:44 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> No worries. It's all part of testing.
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[09:27:34 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> boyan: do you have some time to skype with me about decapod?
[09:29:02 EDT(-0400)] <boyan> michelled: i have time, but I also have some troubles running skype on my pc, perhaps we can try breeze or google talk?
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[11:17:56 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> boyan, I noticed that when I load Capture.html, it is pre-populated with thumbnails. Where do I go to disable that?
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[11:19:33 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> thanks!
[11:31:51 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jameswy, jhung, jessm, fj4000 : standup time
[11:31:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i'll be a minute or two late
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[11:55:50 EDT(-0400)] <boyan> jhung, michelled: just committed a mock decapod server that pretends it has 2 cameras and returns images from file system
[11:56:00 EDT(-0400)] <boyan> you should be using that for development and testing
[11:56:19 EDT(-0400)] <jhung> thanks boyan!
[11:57:56 EDT(-0400)] <boyan> oops, didn't realize you have already switched to daylight saving time and that stand-up is earlier
[11:58:25 EDT(-0400)] <boyan> jhung, Europe is still using winter time - have this in mind for scheduling the Decapod meeting on Wednesday
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[13:36:48 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> colinclark: I was working on ENGAGE-250 (Ensure all Engage-related components are correctly named and namespaced) and I was wondering if you could review it and see if there's anything that needs further tweaking in terms of naming
[13:36:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yura2: sure
[13:37:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fire me a patch
[13:37:03 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> these are the the files http://issues.fluidproject.org/secure/ManageAttachments.jspa?id=13964
[13:37:24 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> thanks
[13:37:27 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Bosmon2 also mentioned at standup that he had committed an example of how to write server-side unit tests
[13:37:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> and that you had an issue that he was waiting for a test before he can fix, yura2?
[13:38:29 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> yes, I was going to talk to him about it, I will take a look
[13:38:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> cool
[13:38:37 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> thanks
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[14:00:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yura2: Couple of questions about your patch
[14:00:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Do we use Browse for browsing things other than exhibitions?
[14:01:26 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> from engage-core, yes, browse is used for catalogueBrowse
[14:01:50 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok
[14:01:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And what about the catalogue component?
[14:02:29 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> that one is used once, to display the exhibition listing its themes
[14:03:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yura2: ok, so the catalogue component is used only once
[14:03:22 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> yes
[14:04:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So, yura2, would it be better described as the "catalogueView" component?
[14:04:03 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Or something else?
[14:04:53 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> hmm, actually it would probably be better described as theme view
[14:05:00 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> oh sorry theme browse
[14:05:19 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> or sectionBrowse
[14:06:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok
[14:07:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> exhibitionThemeView?
[14:07:14 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> yes that sounds very descriptive
[14:07:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> too long?
[14:07:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I could be convinced by just plain themeView
[14:07:38 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> no i think it's pretty good
[14:07:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> What do jameswy and Tona call that page?
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[14:08:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> In their wireframes?
[14:08:09 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> sections something, i m not sure
[14:08:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jameswy: do you remember what it's called?
[14:08:47 EDT(-0400)] <jameswy> colinclark: catalogue
[14:11:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yura2: the "CatalogView" component, then?
[14:12:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> err
[14:12:04 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> CatalogueView, I guess
[14:12:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Americans must think we spell funny
[14:12:26 EDT(-0400)] <jameswy> Americans are pretty cool!
[14:12:33 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> colinclark: sounds good
[14:12:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jameswy: Yet you spell like a Canadian
[14:12:51 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So confused!
[14:13:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yura2: Ok, so the Kettle spout called "catalogue"
[14:13:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> What is it?
[14:13:50 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> The thing on the server that corresponds with our newly-named CatalogueView component?
[14:13:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And if so, what is CatalogueBrowse?
[14:13:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[14:14:11 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> that's the one that corresponds to CatalogueView now
[14:14:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> catalogue on server === CatalogueView?
[14:14:43 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> yes
[14:14:49 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> true
[14:14:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok
[14:15:04 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> lol
[14:15:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok, so what about CatalogueBrowse?
[14:15:53 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> ya
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[14:15:57 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> that one is just browse in core
[14:16:13 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> similar to what exhibitionBrowse service is
[14:16:42 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> but catalogue browse doesnt really list catalogues, but artifacts
[14:16:45 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> all or within theme
[14:16:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok
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[14:17:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> tons of athenas!
[14:18:06 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> more athenas than Bosmons today
[14:18:29 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yura2: ok, so you renamed browseCatalogue to CatalogueBrowse
[14:18:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But what page does this correspond to?
[14:18:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I get so confused
[14:18:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I guess we all do
[14:19:07 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> yes, i did that to be consistent with what we have for exhibitions: exhibitionBrowse, exhibitionAbout, exhibitionView
[14:19:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> makes sense
[14:19:15 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> but it corresponds to browse component
[14:19:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> so this page is ExhibitionsBrowse on the server + the Browse component, right?
[14:19:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> http://build.fluidproject.org:8095/engage/home/home.html#exhibitions/browse.html?db=mccord&amp;lang=en
[14:19:52 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> yes
[14:20:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And this is the CatalogueBrowse + the Browse component, right?
[14:20:03 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> http://build.fluidproject.org:8095/engage/home/home.html#catalogue/view.html?db=mccord_exhibitions&amp;id=4&amp;lang=en
[14:20:26 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> no this is CatalogueView
[14:20:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok, right
[14:20:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> sorry
[14:20:52 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> this would be it http://build.fluidproject.org:8095/engage/home/home.html#catalogue/browse.html?db=mccord_exhibitions&amp;exhibitID=4&amp;sectionID=01&amp;lang=en
[14:21:06 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> that ^^^ is CatalogueBrowse?
[14:21:11 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> yes
[14:21:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> oh dear
[14:21:51 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm thinking maybe jameswy's names are less clear than we'd like
[14:22:12 EDT(-0400)] * colinclark is super glad the Screen Navigator actually supports pastable URLs
[14:22:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ok, so
[14:22:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> http://build.fluidproject.org:8095/engage/home/home.html#catalogue/view.html?db=mccord_exhibitions&amp;id=4&amp;lang=en
[14:22:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> this page, I arrived at by clicking "View the full catalogue"
[14:23:04 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And it seems to have a list of all themes in an exhibition
[14:23:16 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> yes
[14:23:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> and this page
[14:23:28 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> http://build.fluidproject.org:8095/engage/home/home.html#catalogue/browse.html?db=mccord_exhibitions&amp;exhibitID=4&amp;sectionID=01&amp;lang=en
[14:23:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I got to by clicking a link called "View all in [theme name]"
[14:23:51 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> yep
[14:23:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> and it seems to have a list of all the artifacts in within a given theme
[14:24:16 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> yes
[14:24:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So, now that I'm fully confused
[14:25:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I guess we have a real kind of separation here
[14:26:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> components that are able to handle somewhat different data sets
[14:26:09 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> and spouts that provide very specific sets of data
[14:26:39 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> yes
[14:26:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So in the case of the first link I sent, we've got a list of all themes in the exhibition
[14:27:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Powered by a component that can display a list of themes
[14:27:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> does that sound about right?
[14:27:16 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> yes
[14:27:37 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Whereas, in the second case, we've got a list of all artifacts within a particular theme
[14:27:46 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> yes
[14:27:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> powered by a component that can display artifacts by theme
[14:28:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So then, I'm tempted to go back to your original suggestion, yura2
[14:28:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ThemeList for the component
[14:28:29 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> AllExhibitionThemes for spout
[14:28:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Something like that
[14:28:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> and then
[14:28:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Browse for the component, since we're sort of stuck on that one now
[14:29:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> and ThemedArtifacts for the spout
[14:29:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> or something like this
[14:29:38 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> hm, so we dont have to maintain consistency between kettle and core?
[14:29:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm just thinking about that
[14:30:03 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> the problem here i guess is that it's entirely unclear which data feed goes with a particular view
[14:30:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yet that seems to be entirely sensible
[14:30:36 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> since clearly we have one component that displays different data feeds
[14:30:45 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> yes that's true
[14:30:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> and we can easily conceive of multiple views sharing the same data feed
[14:30:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i guess i'll have to walk around for a minute and think about it
[14:31:03 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> alright
[14:52:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So yura2, I think we should also leave Cabinet and Navigation List in the top-level fluid namespace
[14:52:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> These will get promoted up to Infusion very soon
[14:52:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We had a lot of interest in them at the Jasig conference last week
[14:53:08 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> colinclark: sounds interesting , sure
[14:53:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So, another question...
[14:53:26 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> the Browse spout... What does it do?
[14:54:26 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> it's not used, that was one of the questions you would be able to comment on, if we should keep it or not
[14:54:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> it's not visible in the app at all anymore?
[14:55:06 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I guess it must be the old artifact browse thing?
[14:55:10 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> yes
[14:55:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> it opens up a big can of worms
[14:55:36 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> i dont think it's part of the config anymore either
[14:55:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> about what we do with collections that aren't structured in terms of exhibitions > themes > artifacts
[14:55:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> but since it's not used, I think we should toss it altogether
[14:55:59 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> yes
[14:56:00 EDT(-0400)] <yura2>
[14:56:06 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> especially since browse needs to be refactored anywya
[14:56:16 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> unless we want to support mmi data that we have
[14:57:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yeah, but that still brings us back to those two issues--how to design for different "workflows" and what to do with browse
[14:57:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we can chuck it
[14:57:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> worst possible case, we revive it from SVN later
[14:57:22 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> makes sense
[14:57:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> but my guess is, as we think about it, we'll come up with something different anyway
[14:58:36 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> yes, i m sure there's some kind of structure that mmi has for organizing artifacts
[14:58:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yeah
[14:58:51 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> they don't seem to have worked it out at all
[15:00:04 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> interesting
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[15:33:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yura2: I'm confused by all the _testing databases on our daily build instance of Couch
[15:33:27 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> What are they there for?
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[15:35:07 EDT(-0400)] <yura2> i think it was for when we were testing the new data
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[15:50:08 EDT(-0400)] <athena> colinclark: did you guys have a chance to post slides from friday?