[08:19:42 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: hello.. i was looking over http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Floe+Iteration+Plan
[08:20:14 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> was wondering how FLUID-4972 and FLUID-4994 are going.. i see that michelle had some comments for the latter
[08:20:47 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> sorry.. fluid-4995
[08:21:16 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o yeah, just reviewing those this morning and will resend that pull
[08:21:28 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: cool thanks
[08:21:49 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o i think 4972 is done, so i've been working on 5009
[08:23:51 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: okay.. are we going with jcarousellite?
[08:25:28 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o accessible version of jcarousel that hans improved http://hanshillen.github.io/jqtest/#goto_carousel
[08:25:32 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> trying that out
[08:25:45 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> jcarousel lite is also from jquery
[08:28:10 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: okay cool.. when you have a chance can you note that on the jira, if it isn't already there.
[08:28:32 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o for sure
[08:28:37 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> thanks
[08:29:48 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> cindyli: i sent in a pull request for http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-5031.. I wasn't sure if you were looking at it already.. sorry if you've already started it
[08:40:16 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> Justin_o: not a problem, i started but haven't completed the testing. good to see your pull request on it
[10:06:51 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled, anastasiac, heidiv, cindyli, yzen: did any of you need help with anything at the moment?
[10:07:11 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> hey Justin_o i'm having a weird IE8 issue w font icons, if you have a sec to take a look
[10:07:17 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> not sure it's fixable
[10:07:32 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: 
sure i can take look.. do you have a branch i should check out?
[10:07:34 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> it seems the font icons aren't updating until you click around/click on them… odd
[10:07:44 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> yep 4995 in my github
[10:07:56 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: okay… i'll pull that down
[10:08:00 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> thanks
[10:13:12 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: how can i reproduce the issue?
[10:13:57 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o open demo in IE8 and switch theme
[10:14:19 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> notice that reset icon doesn't update, and when closing/opening panel some others aren't updated…until you click on them
[10:14:42 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> tho i wonder if it's VM weirdness - let me know if it does that for you
[10:16:12 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o does the same w font size as well
[10:20:05 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: sorry.. forgot i needed to run a build to get the themes working correctly.. doing that now..
[10:20:39 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> cool
[10:21:07 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> otherwise, that pull req has been updated Justin_o michelled
[10:23:07 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: seems there is an issue when you change the fonts
[10:23:23 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> that is the "text style" option in uio
[10:23:43 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o so it seems any changes… the font icons are delayed in updating
[10:23:57 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> anything we could do about it tho? they fix when clicked on
[10:25:00 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o oh, i see another bug, maybe that's what you mean - when changing font style, the reset icon breaks
[10:25:28 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> and the others. will fix
[10:28:27 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o update...
[10:38:14 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> colinclark hey!
[10:38:55 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> what's up? how was the supercollider conference?
[10:39:16 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> hey
[10:39:22 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> oh wait
[10:39:40 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> let's try #fluid-tech, just because it tends to be a bit quieter
[10:39:41 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> either is fine
[10:39:43 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> and I hang out in both
[10:40:05 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> colinclark: i'm on #fluid-tech now
[10:43:47 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: yes, that was the issue i was seeing, thanks for fixing it.. i'll look into the one you spotted now
[10:49:41 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: i was trying out the examples from this site http://css-tricks.com/examples/IconFont/ and they seem to have the same problems in IE8
[10:49:51 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o oh, good idea!
[10:50:04 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> ok… yeah it doesn't feel like soemthing we could solve
[10:50:10 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> bummer
[10:52:50 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> yes.. sad
[10:53:22 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> anastasiac, cindyli, yzen, Justin_o: are you available at 1:00 to task out content simplification?
[10:53:28 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: i'm poking around the web to see if there is a solution somewhere
[10:53:35 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: yes.. i'm available
[10:53:41 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> sure
[10:55:47 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> yes, Justin_o
[10:56:05 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> sorry, not Justin_o, michelled 
[10:59:14 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: this might be related to what we are seeing http://andymcfee.com/2012/04/icon-fonts-pseudo-elements-and-ie8/
[11:00:58 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o exact same problem ya… his solution was to use js instead of :before
[11:01:02 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> not sure we want to do that
[11:01:19 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: i'd rather avoid it if possible
[11:01:35 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o i'll document the issue in the jira
[11:01:48 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> feel free to review the pull again
[11:01:51 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> if you have time
[11:02:49 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: okay.. thanks.. i was just trying this with the keyboard, same issue.. but maybe less annoying because it fixes it self with keyboard focus
[11:02:58 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> right, ya
[11:06:43 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: did you see michelled's comment about the font icon styles being in FatPanelUIOptionsFrame.css?
[11:06:56 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o yep i moved the header icons to general uio
[11:07:03 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> the prev/next icons are still in fat panel only
[11:07:28 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: okay… thanks
[11:41:46 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: i left a comment on the pull request.. after looking at it. i think we might want to actually put the fonts into a fonts or icons directory
[11:41:57 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> which could either be a subdirectory of uiOptions or uiOptions/css
[11:42:05 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o agreed! uiOptions/fonts i think is good
[11:42:09 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> doing that now
[11:46:13 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: by the way, did you test with IE9?
[11:46:27 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: are you free to chat about the naming and api issues now?
[11:46:53 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o running through browsers again now - were there issues for ya
[11:46:58 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> ?
[11:47:21 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: i just loaded it in IE9 and the font icons are showing up as boxes
[11:47:36 CDT(-0500)] <heidiv> Justin_o ok i'll take a look thanks
[11:47:44 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: thanks
[11:51:19 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> heidiv: also in IE10 they seem to be missing completely
[12:04:53 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> Justin_o: can we try to clarify what it is we are attempting to name? it might help us in coming up with names.
[12:05:02 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> my take is that we are trying to names these:
[12:05:07 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> 1. the empty UIO component
[12:05:08 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> 2. the set of out of the box (production worthy?) UIO settings panels
[12:05:09 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> 3. the empty UIE component
[12:05:10 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> 4. the set of out of the box actions
[12:05:11 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> 5. the model that the integrator has specified and the user has not altered
[12:05:20 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> does that seem right to you?
[12:06:23 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> anastasiac, Bosmon: have I covered the things we are trying to name for FLUID-4686?
[12:07:40 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: that's my take for 1-4 not sure about 5 though.. i'd like to get more clarification on what it actually is.
[12:08:06 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled, I think your #5 should be two things, the 'empty' model and the 'out-of-the-box' model, which is not empty
[12:09:31 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> anastasiac: where 'out-of-the-box' means what we ship in Infusion? or what the integrator has specified?
[12:10:29 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled, I'm not entirely sure. Bosmon's email describes it as 'the "filled" grade'
[12:12:13 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> anastasiac, michelled: there is a grade called fluid.uiOptions.defaultModel.outOfTheBox
[12:12:50 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> right, Justin_o, that's the name for the 'filled' one, and Bosmon pointed out that the naming pattern breaks our other naming patterns, hence the entire thread
[12:29:54 CDT(-0500)] <ramil> fluid-everyone, hi everyone, I'm one of the GSOC students. I'm gonna be working on the Drupal Plugins for Infusion Project
[12:30:53 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> hi ramil - nice to meet you
[12:31:14 CDT(-0500)] <ramil> Hi michelled , nice to meet you
[12:32:53 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> hi, ramil, nice to see you here
[12:33:14 CDT(-0500)] <ramil> hi anastasiac, sorry ive been sick the past few days
[12:35:26 CDT(-0500)] <ramil> anastasiac, is everyone subscribed to the mailing list that you emailed me?
[12:35:50 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> anastasiac, cindyli, Justin_o: want to meet in the collab room?
[12:35:52 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, we're all on the list
[12:35:58 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> yzen: I'll Skype you
[12:36:23 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> thanks
[12:37:22 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: on my way
[12:44:10 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> notes from our last content simplification meeting: http://lists.idrc.ocad.ca/pipermail/fluid-work/2013-April/009026.html
[12:47:30 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> http://old.nabble.com/uio-content-simplification-to35440461.html
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[16:32:06 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> all looks good, avtar, thanks!
[16:32:45 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> sweeeet
[21:34:37 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> hey thealphanerd, nice presentation
[21:34:58 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> in your Current_Faust_Compilation demo, you've got a file:// url, which means I couldn't try it out
[22:08:43 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> colinclark: I have a few things I need to clean up in the presentation
[22:08:56 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> cool
[22:09:00 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> hows it going?
[22:09:09 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> good
[22:09:12 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> how about you?
[22:09:16 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> not too bad
[22:09:18 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> back in Palo Alto, I guess?
[22:09:19 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> back from korea
[22:09:21 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> cool
[22:09:24 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> how was NIME?
[22:09:28 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> it was great
[22:09:30 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> met some awesome people
[22:09:35 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> nice!
[22:09:47 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> met a handful of folks develping web audio stuff
[22:09:55 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I also talked with Hongchan a bit about waax
[22:10:07 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> he let me know that he is going to be interning with Chris Rogers this summer
[22:10:16 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> nice
[22:10:26 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Tell him to implement fucking web workers 
[22:12:00 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Did you meet Charles Roberts at NIME, too?
[22:12:15 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> He's done some interesting stuff, it looks like
[22:12:18 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> very impressive
[22:13:46 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I met him too
[22:13:51 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> he won best paper
[22:14:09 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> For the one about Gibber?
[22:14:13 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> yup
[22:14:15 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> and interface.js
[22:14:25 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> bizarre
[22:14:44 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> his ideas are great
[22:14:50 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> but I wasn't crazy about the implementation
[22:15:03 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Is there a difference?
[22:15:04 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> no thatism… non responsive
[22:15:11 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> all class based
[22:15:19 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> he has to hand roll it everytime
[22:15:30 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> that's sort of my point
[22:15:38 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I am a total convert
[22:15:54 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> All his widgets are Canvas-based
[22:15:58 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> which is fine
[22:16:14 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> but as you say, non-responsive
[22:16:36 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> etc.
[22:17:11 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> It was pretty inspiring to hear the SuperCollider community talk about their problems and challenges
[22:17:17 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> well I think canvas can be responsive
[22:17:26 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> but he had to restart to fix interface
[22:17:30 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> if size changed
[22:17:36 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark>
[22:17:45 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I wasn't saying Canvas can't be done well
[22:17:49 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> 
[22:17:55 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> just that he hadn't done so
[22:17:59 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> indeed
[22:18:05 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I talked to him about my problems with canvas
[22:18:10 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> it was actually a funny conversation
[22:18:17 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> he asked why I was using svg
[22:18:25 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> and I said "Because canvas doesn't have a dom"
[22:18:30 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> he responds… "Isn't that a feature"
[22:18:35 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> wow
[22:19:05 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm just biting my tongue in this logged channel here
[22:21:59 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> There were a couple things in your presentation that I thought you could elaborate
[22:22:03 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> and maybe you did in person
[22:22:10 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> which parts?
[22:22:11 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> the issue of "integers" was one
[22:22:13 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> you can fork it 
[22:22:17 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark>
[22:22:26 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> The point isn't that JavaScript doesn't have integers
[22:22:42 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> colinclark: elaborate
[22:22:54 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> but rather that there is no integer arithmetic
[22:23:01 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> ahhhh
[22:23:03 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I did say that
[22:23:10 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> all numbers are stored as 32 bit floating point
[22:23:21 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> So architecture-specific optimizations like assuming 32-bit integers will wrap when they overflow don't work
[22:23:38 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Which, honestly, doesn't necessarily strike me as a problem
[22:23:53 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Since there have been, and will be again, architectures where assuming this behaviour isn't valid
[22:23:58 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> such as a GPU
[22:24:06 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> apparently old DSP units didn't support it either
[22:24:53 CDT(-0500)] <thealphanerd> I switched the line to "Integer Arithmatic"