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[09:17:13 EST(-0500)] <sveto> Justin_o: hi, can you give me some tips on how to create a run configuration for running engage with jetty in eclipse? I found that building the war each time is too time consuming...
[09:18:06 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto: yep that is true... it is much easier to run from eclipse... do you use eclipse for your javascript as well or do you use some other ide like Aptana/
[09:18:55 EST(-0500)] <sveto> Justin_o: I've installed Aptana but I'm not using much of its features, so it's more like I'm using eclipse
[09:19:49 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto: okay... I think you need to have an actuall copy of eclipse... i don't know if aptana has jetty included...
[09:21:16 EST(-0500)] <michelled> one tip when building the war is that the slowest part is the infusion build - it's actually in minification that takes forever
[09:21:37 EST(-0500)] <michelled> so, if you comment out line 18 of build.xml in the kettle build scripts it's a lot more managable
[09:21:51 EST(-0500)] <michelled> you're probably still better to use eclipse and jetty but I thought I'd mention it
[09:22:21 EST(-0500)] <michelled> you will have to build infusion once and the you're fine to comment out that line
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[09:22:44 EST(-0500)] <sveto> michelled: yes, I've seen that minification takes the most time.
[09:22:54 EST(-0500)] <sveto> michelled: ok, I'll have this in mind
[09:23:22 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto: so in eclipse you can import your kettle project, that you are using for your development in aptana. You also have to run "mvn install" from the kettle directory to make sure you have all of the dependencies in your .m2 directory
[09:26:49 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> then you can start the jetty server by running org.fluidproject.kettle.jetty
[09:27:07 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto: you will have to restart the server everytime you make a change though
[09:27:44 EST(-0500)] <sveto> Justin_o: ok, I had to restart the external tomcat anyway
[09:28:00 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay...
[09:28:10 EST(-0500)] <sveto> Justin_o: can you tell me how to import the project in aptana, I can't seem to figure it out?
[09:28:49 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto: are you already running it in aptana... did you mean import into eclipse?
[09:30:22 EST(-0500)] <sveto> Justin_o: ah, sorry, I didn't understand that part correctly... I've already imported kettle, and built it
[09:31:41 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto: okay... you should be able to run it then
[09:31:57 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto: please let me know if it works
[09:38:00 EST(-0500)] <sveto> Justin_o: hm, it's missing KettleServlet
[09:39:23 EST(-0500)] <sveto> Justin_o: maybe I'm not using the correct plugin - I installed run-jetty-run that is part of Aptana and try to run with it
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[09:52:26 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto: oh... hmm... haven't tried that... i use aptana for my js dev and then use a regular version of eclipse to run jetty
[09:52:31 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> run kettle
[09:54:46 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto: with this setup i'll do an import of the kettle project, that i've checked out from svn with aptana, and run kettle through eclipse
[09:54:59 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto: does that make sense... i can help you with the steps for that if you like
[09:56:36 EST(-0500)] <sveto> Justin_o: yes, please... i don't seem to have jetty with my original eclipse configuration, that's why I have installed the plugin. I'm running eclipse ee 3.5 gallileo
[10:01:52 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto: i think i have 3.4 and i don't think i installed any special plugins. So the first thing is to make sure you do a "mvn install" on kettle
[10:02:15 EST(-0500)] <sveto> Justin_o: ok, I've done that
[10:05:50 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto: so the next step is to get it into eclipse... if you aren't also using eclipse for your javscript development, you will want to pull it in. The way to do this is to right click in the "Package Explorer" (which shows your projects in eclipse) and select import. Then you go to general/existing projects into workspace
[10:16:08 EST(-0500)] <sveto> it's imported...
[10:19:11 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto: great... so the next step is to run the JettyLauncher
[10:20:19 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> you should be able to right click on the project and run as application
[10:20:39 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> you may need to specify your path to your M2 directory
[10:23:48 EST(-0500)] <sveto> Justin_o: I don't seem to have a JettyLaucher configuration type in my run dialog...
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[10:24:26 EST(-0500)] <sveto> I'll try to install the plugin
[10:26:26 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto: yep.. i just defined my own configuration... so you should be able to just run it as an application and just specify the project and main class for the jettyLauncher
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[10:36:44 EST(-0500)] <boyan> michelled: I wasn't able to do much today
[10:36:44 EST(-0500)] <boyan> had some problems with my PC and I'm now reinstalling my OS
[10:37:11 EST(-0500)] <boyan> looking at some nice javascript articles meanwhile
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[10:57:01 EST(-0500)] <michelled> boyan - too bad about your machine. I'm still getting everything set up after my reinstall.
[10:57:12 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I'm trying to do it in little bits while getting other work done
[10:58:26 EST(-0500)] <michelled> Justin_o, sveto: when I committed the change to use standard maven folder structure I didn't update the eclipse classpath
[10:58:34 EST(-0500)] <michelled> Colin is fixing that now and will commit soon
[10:58:49 EST(-0500)] <michelled> it's possible that this is why you can't launch jetty right now
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[11:07:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Sorry for the inconvenience with Kettle not running in Eclipse.
[11:07:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm just about to commit a fix
[11:07:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And then I'll review joan's maven-related suggestions.
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[11:29:33 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled, colinclark, sveto: I have updated and tried the running kettle through jetty/eclipse and it works now
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[11:41:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> joan: About your question regarding a kettle server running somewhere web-visible. We can arrange to set one up for the Bug Parade component on our daily build server.
[11:41:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We just have to find someone with time to get that going.
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[11:43:00 EST(-0500)] <joan> so, main i post a zip with the small changes that added to kettle (for component) ? In the JIRA ticket as an attachment?
[11:43:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I think a patch would be more useful if possible
[11:43:32 EST(-0500)] <joan> ok.
[11:45:06 EST(-0500)] <joan> so first I modify the wiki page and then i'll post the component's "server side" as a patch.
[11:47:28 EST(-0500)] <joan> colin: I offer myself to deploy kettle on a jetty server (as you wish).
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[12:24:29 EST(-0500)] <joan> hi
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[12:37:54 EST(-0500)] <joan> hi
[12:38:07 EST(-0500)] <joan> hello?
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[13:50:10 EST(-0500)] <joan> hello.
[13:55:31 EST(-0500)] <joan> athena?
[13:55:40 EST(-0500)] <athena> hey joan, how're you?
[13:55:52 EST(-0500)] <joan> may i ask you a question?
[13:55:57 EST(-0500)] <athena> sure
[13:55:58 EST(-0500)] <athena>
[13:56:15 EST(-0500)] <joan> i'm trying to post the component inside a wiki page.
[13:56:34 EST(-0500)] <joan> i did upload all css/js as page attachments ...
[13:57:06 EST(-0500)] <joan> and now i want to place a DIV wich has all includes and html inside the wiki page.
[13:57:20 EST(-0500)] <athena> hm
[13:57:21 EST(-0500)] <joan> but i don't know how to do that
[13:57:38 EST(-0500)] <athena> i'm generally familiar with confluence, though i don't know much about how the fluid wiki is set up - not sure i even have a login
[13:57:42 EST(-0500)] <joan> i tryed to upload the whole page and include it
[13:57:52 EST(-0500)] <athena> i'm actually not sure if you can use HTML from within a page or not
[13:58:06 EST(-0500)] <joan> well thanks.
[13:58:07 EST(-0500)] <athena> i typically use the "wiki markup" panel to use their wiki syntax when creating content
[13:58:14 EST(-0500)] <athena> but i'm not sure if it accepts raw HTML or not
[13:58:37 EST(-0500)] <athena> a lot of wikis disallow such things for security reasons
[13:58:45 EST(-0500)] <joan> yes but i need behaviour. inside there is a fluid component.
[13:58:47 EST(-0500)] <jessm> joan: what are you trying to upload again? css/js as examples?
[13:58:49 EST(-0500)] <athena> sorry i don't have a better answer for you!
[13:59:14 EST(-0500)] <joan> i'm trying to place the parade component inside a wiki page
[13:59:16 EST(-0500)] <jessm> joan: my method with the wiki is to try to find things working in another page and then take a look at their markup
[13:59:47 EST(-0500)] <joan> i do have a page with the component code already written.
[13:59:57 EST(-0500)] <jessm> joan: justin_o put the progress indicator component in the wiki for each of the components – can you see how he did it?
[14:00:03 EST(-0500)] <joan> i don't know how to do the integration with the wiki.
[14:00:33 EST(-0500)] <joan> that would be fantastic. do you remember the link/page?
[14:00:51 EST(-0500)] <jessm> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Progress
[14:00:55 EST(-0500)] <jessm> it's the green and yellow bar
[14:00:56 EST(-0500)] <joan> thanks.
[14:01:32 EST(-0500)] <jessm> joan: that might not be helpful though, i don't see where in the markup that is referenced
[14:02:21 EST(-0500)] <joan> yes. i see. it seems a component presentation.
[14:02:35 EST(-0500)] <jessm> joan: is this it:

[14:03:24 EST(-0500)] <jessm> athena: how's it going?
[14:03:37 EST(-0500)] <joan> ok, i think so. i'll try to emulate that
[14:03:44 EST(-0500)] <athena> hey jessm - going ok
[14:03:49 EST(-0500)] <athena> crushingly busy
[14:03:53 EST(-0500)] <jessm> joan: but that clearly references it from somewhere else...
[14:04:07 EST(-0500)] <athena> uportal mobile theme's looking good though - just emailing back the steering committee about putting a screencast of it somewhere
[14:04:09 EST(-0500)] <jessm> athena: i see lots going on!
[14:04:14 EST(-0500)] <athena> we're trying
[14:04:23 EST(-0500)] <jessm> awesomeness, as usual
[14:04:38 EST(-0500)] <jessm> joan: does the full notation guide for confluence help at all?
[14:04:39 EST(-0500)] <athena> how're things going w/ fluid these days?
[14:04:58 EST(-0500)] <jessm> athena: ao well that the folks in Tor are off celebrating the release of 0.1
[14:05:01 EST(-0500)] <jessm>
[14:05:12 EST(-0500)] <athena> oh! very nice
[14:05:22 EST(-0500)] <athena> you don't get to go celebrate?
[14:05:31 EST(-0500)] <jessm> joan: once you're in edit mode on a page it appears on the right side with a banner of Help Tips – at the bottom of that window is a link to the full notation guide
[14:05:46 EST(-0500)] <jessm> athena: i'm celebrating by rebuilding my mail index
[14:05:58 EST(-0500)] <athena> that is exciting, of course
[14:06:14 EST(-0500)] <joan> yes. but i don't see clearly where the justin link page is?. let me play a while ...
[14:07:38 EST(-0500)] <jessm> joan: i think this one? http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Progress+Indicator+-+Progress
[14:07:53 EST(-0500)] <jessm> joan: yep, i see code
[14:07:57 EST(-0500)] <jessm> hopefully that will help
[14:08:24 EST(-0500)] <jessm> include: something simply includes one page within another – from the wiki syntax
[14:09:13 EST(-0500)] <joan> i think

tag may help.
[14:09:40 EST(-0500)] <jessm> joan: though not too friendly to read, the full notation guide will help
[14:10:05 EST(-0500)] <joan> i'll do some testing rigth now
[14:12:07 EST(-0500)] <joan> jessm: the magic is using the

. A place a javascript alert and works. may thanks for the support.
[14:12:42 EST(-0500)] <joan> upps. "I placed ..."
[14:15:19 EST(-0500)] <joan> jessm: many thanks.
[14:16:46 EST(-0500)] <jessm> joan: yay! glad it works – way to go figuring it out!
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[15:06:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Ok, so here's the web-based version of the Closure Compiler: http://closure-compiler.appspot.com/home
[15:07:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And so our first test case just needs to invoke code using the subscript operator and .apply()
[15:07:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Let me see if I can whip something up
[15:07:14 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay...
[15:08:05 EST(-0500)] <athena> hey colinclark - we were actually wondering last friday if you guys had played w/ that much
[15:08:17 EST(-0500)] <athena> are you likely to start using it for minification?
[15:10:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> athena: Well, we were debating its viability on the subway a few minutes ago, me and Justin_o.
[15:10:30 EST(-0500)] <athena>
[15:10:39 EST(-0500)] <athena> EricDalquist and i were talking about it some on friday
[15:11:36 EST(-0500)] <athena> if it turns out to be an attractive option, i think it would probably be feasible to re-work the maven-yui-compressor plugin to use the closure jar instead of the YUI library
[15:12:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Infusion is very dynamic
[15:13:15 EST(-0500)] <athena> yeah, it may or may not be a good match for you guys
[15:13:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> There's often indirection between the name of a think and the invocation of a function
[15:13:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And the Closure Compiler seems to do some interesting things
[15:13:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The simplest, classic use case is thinking about the subscript operator...
[15:13:41 EST(-0500)] <athena> but i think we'd definitely be interested in what you all think of the google library and whether it's worth putting in the effort to update the plugin
[15:13:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so these two lines are identical:
[15:13:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> hello("athena");
[15:13:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and
[15:14:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> window["hello"].apply(null, args);
[15:14:20 EST(-0500)] <athena> interesting
[15:14:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> This is just standard JavaScript
[15:14:36 EST(-0500)] <athena> yeah
[15:14:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm sure we've all written code that accesses a property by name and does something with it
[15:14:41 EST(-0500)] <athena> i haven't had time to play with the library much
[15:14:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But will the Closure Compiler prune out that hello() function?
[15:14:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It seems to
[15:15:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But then, there is a way to "export symbols"
[15:31:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Hi laurel
[15:31:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Just got your offline email about Builder tmp cleanup
[15:31:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I think a simple script and cron job makes sense. You'll make sure the script is also included in SVN?
[15:32:05 EST(-0500)] <laurel> yes colin
[15:32:25 EST(-0500)] <laurel> i'd like to test it for a few days before committing
[15:35:14 EST(-0500)] <laurel> colinclark: do you have a few minutes to talk about the ant script for deploying the builder?
[15:35:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> laurel: I'm just about to do some Infusion roadmapping with Justin_o
[15:46:54 EST(-0500)] <joan> colin: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Bug+Parade+Component
[15:47:54 EST(-0500)] <joan> colin: going home. The wiki page loads the component ...
[15:48:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> joan: Cool!
[15:48:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Congrats!
[15:48:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Let's talk tomorrow about getting you a kettle instance set up
[15:48:35 EST(-0500)] <joan> tomorrow i'll ask for help in kettle.
[15:48:35 EST(-0500)] <joan> bye.
[15:49:17 EST(-0500)] <joan> i think i'll need a ProxyPassReverse and upload some code to a kettle server instance.
[15:50:07 EST(-0500)] <joan> not a designer, wiki brokes a bit the component style. This needs to be fixed too.
[15:50:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> that's just fine
[15:50:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> thanks for everything, joan
[15:50:42 EST(-0500)] <joan> bye
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[18:27:40 EST(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: I think something must have changed on the server
[18:27:46 EST(-0500)] <michelled> the build server I mean
[18:27:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> How so?
[18:28:16 EST(-0500)] <michelled> the last time it ran correctly we got this message during the maven build: Using default encoding to copy filtered resources.
[18:28:16 EST(-0500)] <michelled> [apply] [INFO] [compiler:compile]
[18:28:16 EST(-0500)] <michelled> [apply] [INFO] Compiling 5 source files to
[18:28:28 EST(-0500)] <michelled> which is the same as I get when I run the build on my machine
[18:28:33 EST(-0500)] <michelled> and everything is fine
[18:28:40 EST(-0500)] <michelled> now I'm getting this message on the server:
[18:29:04 EST(-0500)] <michelled> [WARNING] Using platform encoding (ANSI_X3.4-1968 actually) to copy filtered resources, i.e. build is platform dependent!
[18:29:04 EST(-0500)] <michelled> [apply] [INFO] Copying 5 resources
[18:29:20 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I don't get the compiling message and then we get the error
[18:30:05 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I'm not sure what it all means yet, but I can't see why I would get different results on my machine and the server suddenly when they used to give the same results
[18:32:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sorry, just catching up
[18:33:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> What's the error?
[18:33:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled ^
[18:33:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And when was the last time it ran?
[18:33:59 EST(-0500)] <michelled> the error itself is a 'no such file or directory' but the file it's looking for is there
[18:34:44 EST(-0500)] <michelled> the last passing build was Nov 7th
[18:35:24 EST(-0500)] <michelled> so the changes to the eclipse classpath weren't in but that really shouldn't matter
[18:37:57 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I think I wasn't very clear above - the failure is happening during the building of the war
[18:38:30 EST(-0500)] <michelled> it claims that it can't find a particular html file but when I look in the directory where the war is being built from the file is there
[18:44:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> how odd
[18:44:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> maven is complaining?
[18:44:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> or ant?
[18:51:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: ^
[18:52:11 EST(-0500)] <michelled> seems like it's maven
[18:52:24 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I feel like it's related to the warning I pasted in above
[18:55:38 EST(-0500)] <michelled> definitely maven, colinclark. I just ran a 'maven install' in the build/source directory and got the same warning and error
[18:56:00 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I mean 'mvn' of course
[18:56:04 EST(-0500)] <michelled> no maven 1 here
[18:56:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[18:57:27 EST(-0500)] <michelled> jamon, you there?
[18:58:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> You can build on your local machine ok, michelled ?
[18:58:28 EST(-0500)] <michelled> ya, it's all fine here
[18:58:41 EST(-0500)] <michelled> and looks nice with the class name changes that fj made
[18:59:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lemme try something here
[19:00:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: hang on one sec
[19:00:33 EST(-0500)] <michelled> sure
[19:02:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: It looks like the maven resources plugin only allows some character sets.
[19:02:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The resources plugin copies resources to the resulting war file
[19:02:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The default platform encoding on build.fluidproject.org is not supported.
[19:02:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Now I'm just trying to convince the resources plugin to use UTF-8 instead
[19:03:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But I don't know that this is really the issue
[19:03:31 EST(-0500)] <michelled> it does seem strange but it's also the most obvious difference in the log files
[19:04:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: okay, yes
[19:04:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> try this
[19:04:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> On the server, go edit Infusion's POM file
[19:05:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Add this anywhere within the project tag
[19:05:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> http://maven.apache.org/general.html#encoding-warning
[19:05:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> then rebuild and see what it does
[19:06:29 EST(-0500)] <michelled> ok
[19:07:58 EST(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: should it just float in the project tag? is it an attribute?
[19:08:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sorry
[19:08:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> go to that link
[19:08:19 EST(-0500)] <michelled> lol
[19:08:23 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I should have clicked
[19:08:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and paste the properties tag
[19:08:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[19:08:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I forgot how much I hate this Symbian phone
[19:09:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I hope the newer versions get better
[19:09:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> In case anyone from Symbian reads the logs
[19:09:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We really appreciate the phone
[19:09:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It's just sort of hard to use
[19:10:03 EST(-0500)] <michelled>
[19:10:21 EST(-0500)] <jamon> michelled: yeah i'm here, what's up?
[19:11:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: We're wrestling with what seems to be a character encoding issue.
[19:11:47 EST(-0500)] <jamon> oh sweet! my favourite
[19:11:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Our Infusion builds seem to have spontaneously broken recently.
[19:11:48 EST(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: no more warning but still getting the error
[19:11:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[19:11:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Yeah, me too
[19:12:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: Interesting. Then perhaps they're not at all connected.
[19:12:08 EST(-0500)] <michelled> perhaps not
[19:12:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: At very least, it sort of looks like the character encoding on titan changed recently.
[19:12:22 EST(-0500)] <michelled> jamon: has anything changed on titan lately?
[19:12:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Any sensible reason why that might have happened?
[19:12:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Is that set on a per-user basis?
[19:12:32 EST(-0500)] <jamon> hmm, uptime is 52 days, i haven't touched it
[19:12:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Curious
[19:12:40 EST(-0500)] <jamon> nakul hasn't either
[19:12:45 EST(-0500)] <michelled> weird
[19:13:05 EST(-0500)] <jamon> does it build fine outside of continuum?
[19:13:10 EST(-0500)] <michelled> no
[19:13:20 EST(-0500)] <michelled> it doesn't work on the server but is fine on my local machine
[19:14:24 EST(-0500)] <michelled> and the changes in svn from when it last worked should not be related to the break
[19:14:29 EST(-0500)] <michelled> it's all very strange
[19:14:42 EST(-0500)] <jamon> hmm, /usr/share/i18n/charmaps/ shows pretty much anything i'd expect something would need in terms of characters
[19:14:54 EST(-0500)] <jamon> as does /usr/share/i18n/locales/
[19:16:07 EST(-0500)] <jamon> michelled: can you do "locale |grep LANG" and see if it returns anything?
[19:16:30 EST(-0500)] <jamon> on both machines where it works and doesn't
[19:17:03 EST(-0500)] <michelled> where is works: LANG="en_CA.UTF-8"
[19:17:10 EST(-0500)] <michelled> where it doesn: LANG=
[19:17:31 EST(-0500)] <jamon> blank on titan, but titan has POSIX set for all accounts, so that should be fine
[19:17:52 EST(-0500)] <michelled> and we're now wondering if in fact the issue is unrelated.
[19:19:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: Are you sure it isn't a legitimate pathing issue?
[19:19:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Maybe it's building on your machine because of something kicking around in your .m2 repo?
[19:19:27 EST(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: I'm not certain. could be
[19:19:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Lemme try it here
[19:19:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I have a very shiny new .m2 repo locally
[19:19:57 EST(-0500)] <jamon> i can whip together a debian virtual machine to try too if it comes to that
[19:19:59 EST(-0500)] <michelled> that'll be a good test
[19:20:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: just run ant on engage-kettle?
[19:20:16 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I meant to colinclark, jamon you may want to hold off until we see
[19:20:21 EST(-0500)] <michelled> yep
[19:20:25 EST(-0500)] <jamon> yeah i figured it out
[19:21:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: It works pretty nicely here
[19:21:43 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I'm glad but still mystified
[19:22:13 EST(-0500)] <michelled> so the build is still up from the 7th and it's fairly fresh if not as pretty as today's
[19:22:19 EST(-0500)] <michelled> at least we don't have broken links