fluid-tech IRC Logs-2013-08-13

[09:10:43 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> colinclark: hey!

[09:11:04 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Nanook!

[09:11:09 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Hey!

[09:11:10 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> How's it going?

[09:11:12 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> whats uppp?

[09:11:35 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> not so great for the past few days :/

[09:11:51 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> been busy with random work. selling off all my things.. etc etc

[09:11:58 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> heh

[09:13:17 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> the rest of this week should be more productive though

[09:13:27 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> what's up with you?

[09:15:01 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ha

[09:15:06 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> selling any cool stuff?

[09:15:39 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Me, not too much is up. Did a big merge of all the new node-handling code into Flocking master last week

[09:15:45 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> so that is all there for you if you need it

[09:15:49 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> did a lot of cross-device testing

[09:16:06 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm happy to say that it's all working pretty well on Android and iOS these days

[09:16:59 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> sweeet! I was seeing some bugs in the IDE on iOS.

[09:17:12 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> Have to fix those soon

[09:17:33 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> cool

[09:17:38 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> Well, my guitar, amp, effects are all going to go

[09:17:40 CDT(-0500)] <nanook>

[09:17:46 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> oh that sucks

[09:18:16 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> but yeah.. i'm looking forward to going to guitar center in america

[09:18:22 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> do you play any instrument?

[09:18:27 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Yeah, I'm a guitar player

[09:18:36 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> oh cool

[09:18:40 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> although these days it's mostly the ukulele

[09:18:40 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark>

[09:19:30 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> I'm really liking flight-friendly intruments these days

[09:19:51 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Yes

[09:19:56 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> in my case, it's boat-friendly instruments

[09:20:02 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm living on my sailboat for the next three weeks

[09:20:13 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> thats awesome!

[09:20:15 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> my acoustic guitar or my stratocaster and amp would both be too big

[09:20:50 CDT(-0500)] <nanook> colinclark: be back in a bit. about to grab a bite.

[09:20:58 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> yup, see you soon

[12:30:38 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> Bosmon: when you get a chance, can you update this pull request to master? https://github.com/fluid-project/infusion/pull/361

[12:30:54 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> Bosmon8: ^

[12:31:02 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> michelled - certainly

[12:31:07 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> thx

[13:19:11 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> yzen - I've committed "new Kettle", and tidied up the KETTLE-* JIRAs a bit, and added a new one and assigned to you

[13:19:25 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> Bosmon: yes i saw

[13:19:30 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Do you think you could work on the wiki page that it references and write up some documentation explaining how "configs" work?

[13:19:40 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> there is one already

[13:19:45 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> there are 3 pull requests for universal, linux and windows

[13:19:51 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> Bosmon: ^

[13:19:56 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> yzen &

[13:19:59 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> yzen ^

[13:21:57 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> http://wiki.gpii.net/index.php/Configuration#Deploying_GPII_Architecture_Components

[13:22:00 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> Bosmon: ^

[13:22:16 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> yzen - cool

[13:22:32 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> How could our users discover this documentation?

[13:22:43 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Or rather, how could Kettle users learn that this documentation was relevant to them?

[13:22:45 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> it's on the front page and in the sidebar

[13:22:46 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> always

[13:22:54 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> Bosmon: right

[13:22:55 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> that

[13:26:20 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> colinclark, kasparne_ - we were just talking about the renaming of "expander" to "transform"

[13:26:33 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> oh yes

[13:26:40 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> It had seemed desirable to have this configurable, but looking at the details, it seems it would make quite a mess of the implementation

[13:26:57 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> So I am speculating about what ill effects there might be from a "cold turkey" switch from one to the other

[13:27:01 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Especially in the GPII community

[13:27:17 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> It seems it would have to be part of a coordinated pull request in any case, which updated all the documents used by the system

[13:27:37 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess we'll 1) have to explain it to people, 2) have to ensure that all configuration in GPII and in Infusion itself is moved over to the new name

[13:27:46 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> that's largely the impact

[13:27:56 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> yzen - your other 3 pull requests look good, but as usual, we'll need to find someone else to commit the linux one

[13:28:22 CDT(-0500)] <yzen> Bosmon: good

[13:28:41 CDT(-0500)] <kasparne_> Bosmon, colinclark: the timing is somewhat decent though, in that mostly only architecture ppl have been writing expanders so far.. it's not until mid-september where we'll get implementers to write these

[13:29:05 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> yes, the timing will only get worse from here

[13:29:21 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Model Transformation has remained a Sneak Peek-level feature in Infusion, is that correct?

[13:30:03 CDT(-0500)] <kasparne_> in our C4A code, I believe we only use transforms in the solution registry/transformer (for win/linux) and the ontology..

[13:30:23 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Ok, so we had better hurry up and get this in

[13:30:39 CDT(-0500)] <kasparne_> Bosmon, colinclark: gotta run but will be back online a bit later

[13:30:49 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ok

[13:31:07 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Am I right about Sneak Peek status?

[13:36:04 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: sneak peek in the framework has always been a fuzzy topic. I think we've really only been clear about 'unsupported' versus documented

[13:36:13 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> hmmm

[13:36:14 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> really?

[13:53:34 CDT(-0500)] <kasparnet> Bosmon, colinclark: train cancelled.. next in 10 mins

[13:55:33 CDT(-0500)] <kasparnet> read up on the logs, but didn't see any conclusions... did we decide to go with "transform" and break backward compatibility?

[13:55:39 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> colinclark - I believe you are right about sneak peek

[13:55:43 CDT(-0500)] <kasparnet> or is it still undecided?

[13:55:55 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> kasparnet - I think it is sounding like we decided to go cold turkey

[13:56:03 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> hey kasparnet can you respond to the email thread with mbrenn_iskme whenever you get a chance as well?

[13:56:06 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I know you're in transit

[13:56:07 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But only if you think that is sane

[13:56:27 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled and Justin_o: Do you have any concerns about this? ^^

[13:56:33 CDT(-0500)] <kasparnet> colinclark: will do

[13:56:43 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> thanks

[13:57:30 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> mbrenn_iskme is having trouble getting GoToMeeting running on her computer--call-in is an option, right, kasparnet?

[13:57:39 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I might need to call in too, depending on where I'm at in my day

[13:57:42 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I feel ok about it

[13:58:00 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark: was that old syntax ever released?

[13:58:02 CDT(-0500)] <kasparnet> yeah.. call in works

[13:58:07 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ok, great

[13:58:08 CDT(-0500)] <kasparnet> I can put the details in my reply

[13:58:15 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: ^^^

[13:58:23 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: I believe it was in Infusion 1.4 in a very preliminary form

[13:58:36 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> but I also believe we have already broken backwards compatibility with the rudimentary version we had in 1.4

[13:58:37 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark: was it marked as such?

[13:58:53 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> To the best of my knowledge, it was marked as Sneak Peek, and documented as such, yes

[13:58:57 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark: i guess it doesn't matter then

[13:59:10 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark: okay, that's fine then.. lets just go with the new version

[13:59:32 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> kasparnet: The King has decreed!

[13:59:34 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark>

[14:00:03 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess his train arrived

[14:00:34 CDT(-0500)] <kasparnet> all hail The King!

[14:01:34 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o>

[15:03:15 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> Bosmon, colinclark: I was just updating the DT roadmap with what we talked about yesterday

[15:03:16 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Discovery+Tool+Prototype+Roadmap

[15:03:45 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I haven't yet added in "Data source transformation" or "Failure tolerant data source"

[15:04:15 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> I'm wondering if either of you can articulate what those would allow us to show/build

[15:04:37 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> i) to allow the integrator to store the users settings in a format of their choosing, and ii) to allow backup storage in the case there was a connectivity failure

[15:05:13 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> thx Bosmon

[16:27:37 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> michelled, colinclark - sorry to be so late

[16:27:40 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Is it still ok to chat?

[16:33:24 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> yep, that works

[16:34:23 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> hi

[16:34:25 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> i'm ready

[16:34:26 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> hey

[16:34:28 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> great