fluid-work IRC Logs-2013-01-16

[03:51:35 CST(-0600)] <jhernandez> kasper: http://media.tumblr.com/669bf48b0dcd174590f586b5ff02dd79/tumblr_inline_mgj3kioPYQ1raprkq.gif

[03:51:47 CST(-0600)] <jhernandez> and good morning!

[04:12:57 CST(-0600)] <kasper> jhernandez: morning Javi

[04:28:10 CST(-0600)] <kasper> you've started with the damn cats as well, huh?

[04:29:39 CST(-0600)] <kasper> brb

[07:53:20 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: i left a couple comments for your pull requests to FLUID-4824 and FLUID-4817

[08:32:21 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> thanks, Justin_o. I was also hoping to chat with you at some point today about your comments on 4822

[08:32:54 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: sure.. whenever would be good for you

[08:45:09 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac, jhung, cindyli, michelled, and anyone else.. would you be free to meet now for a VideoPlayer chat

[08:45:39 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> sure, Justin_o

[08:46:28 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: i guess we can meet in Skype.. would one of you in the office be able to host

[08:47:37 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> np, Justin_o

[08:47:42 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> well, there are only two of us in the office today, me and cindyli We could all just sit at our desks

[08:48:54 CST(-0600)] <michelled> jhung: are you around for this meeting?

[08:58:14 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac, michelled, cindyli: do you know if the source element needs to be closed.. I'm getting an error in IE 9 and i'm not sure if it is related.

[08:58:26 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> This page from MDN has both ways https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/Using_HTML5_audio_and_video

[08:59:13 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> and when i run the markup through the w3 validator i get "Stray end tag source." for </source>

[09:00:09 CST(-0600)] <michelled> according to this page, there shouldn't be an end tag: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/Element/source

[09:01:40 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> on wikipedia they are self closing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video

[09:02:01 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> michelled, jhung, cindyli, anastasiac: I think we are all ready now

[09:02:09 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac, cindyli: can one of you host the Skype call

[09:02:10 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> ?

[09:02:23 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> sure, Justin_o, I'll call everyone

[09:02:25 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> Justin_o: not even self-closing from here: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_source.asp

[09:02:55 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> cindyli, you're not online in Skype...

[09:03:25 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> sorry, anastasiac, on now

[09:05:56 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> okay.. here it is from the w3 site, and it is not closed at all as cindyli and michelled saw on those other sites http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Elements/video

[10:12:38 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: FLUID-4817 is merged in

[10:12:47 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> thanks, Justin_o

[10:40:26 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, if you missed my stand-up update, you missed this surreal tidbit: I'm able to get IE8 video player into fullscreen mode!!

[10:40:42 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> I just click on the very bottom pixel of the transcripts button

[10:40:45 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: crazy..

[10:40:53 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> very

[10:40:53 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: that's really bizzar

[10:40:59 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> can't do it in IE9, tho

[10:41:00 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> let me try that

[10:41:49 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: is that on the build site or your local copy?

[10:42:00 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, both

[10:42:09 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> and which pixel are you clicking on?

[10:42:19 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> it's a bit finicky, not sure exactly where, horizontally, to click

[10:42:23 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> so give it a few tries

[10:42:40 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: found it

[10:42:50 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> i think it must be the flash player underneath

[10:43:06 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> ah, right - probably

[10:43:35 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: amazing that you found that

[10:43:43 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> it was just a fluke

[10:45:38 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: just noticed that on the build site you can also launch it by clicking just left of the captions button.. you can see the hand cursor is still present

[10:46:06 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> this is a feature, right? that's our story, and we're sticking to it

[10:48:53 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: lol

[11:01:57 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, I can't seem to produce the "feature" with the new smaller IE8 icons

[11:03:10 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> also, Justin_o, I've updated FLUID-4822 in response to your comments

[11:12:22 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: thanks.. i'll take a look at it

[11:18:52 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, I've updated the FLUID-4824 branch to not test the captions menu in IE8

[11:19:22 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: thanks.. i'll check that one out next

[11:28:24 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: made a minor comment on FLUID-4822 regarding the use of the invokers.. i'll take a look at FLUID-4824 now

[11:28:36 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> thanks, Justin_

[11:38:06 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: merged in your pull request for FLUID-4824

[11:38:20 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, great! thanks

[11:38:44 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> jhung, anastasiac: i think we should leave FULID-4824 open still, since the captions still don't work, but move it down in our list of priorities on the video player planning page.. does that make sense?

[11:40:13 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, I wonder if we should leave it open, or close it and create a new JIRA for the work of figuring out how to get something working in IE8

[11:40:14 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> ?

[11:41:36 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: I think the wording of the existing jira is probably what people will search for when they are looking for the issue, but i am open to the idea of having a new jira

[11:42:23 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> good point, Justin_o. I'm not sure, just wondering. If we leave it open, we should put clear comments on it as to what has been done, and what the proposed next steps are

[11:44:41 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: good point.. i mentioned what the pull request has done.. although you may want to review it to make sure that it's clear enough..

[11:44:58 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> k

[11:44:59 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> and i'm not sure what the next step would be.. i guess that we need to investigate how to get them working

[11:46:12 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, I've updated FLUDI-4822 in response to your invokers comment, and also merged in the new master (with 4824 in it)

[11:47:21 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: great thanks.. i'll take a look at that one now

[11:56:51 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: side note, i was just able to reproduce the "feature" full screen in IE 8 with the smaller icons.. it was harder though.. if you can click on the video itself while the controls are transitioning (up/down) you can get it to go into full screen

[11:57:35 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> ah, makes sense, Justin_o

[12:10:49 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: your pull request for FLUID-4822 is now merged in

[12:10:59 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> thanks, Justin_o

[12:21:26 CST(-0600)] <jhung> anastasiac, justin_o: can you check something for me. In Chrome, can you load http://build.fluidproject.org/videodemo/videoPlayer/demos/VideoPlayer.html and turn on captions? Do the native controls appear for you?

[12:22:39 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jhung, yes, this is something I've noticed in the past. The controls disappear as soon as you play the video

[12:22:57 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> jhung, anastasiac: same in safari too

[12:23:02 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> also, jhung, is that the right url? I've always used http://build.fluidproject.org/videoPlayer/videoPlayer/demos/VideoPlayer.html

[12:23:44 CST(-0600)] <jhung> Interesting. I've always used the other. Is there a difference?

[12:24:25 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> not sure. michelled might know...

[12:24:44 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> the build site links to the one I posted...

[12:25:02 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> I don't recall what the 'videodemo' version was for

[12:25:44 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> ah, video demo is pulling from michelled's repo

[12:25:45 CST(-0600)] <jhung> Okay. The one in the test plan points to the video demo version. I will change it so at least we're consistent.

[12:26:04 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> so don't use that one

[12:26:09 CST(-0600)] <jhung> okay

[12:42:48 CST(-0600)] <jhung> Justin_o, anastasiac, michelled, cindyli - I have added FLUID-4888. I don't know if it is a blocker. It appears only once in a session. Thoughts? It affects all browsers it seems.

[12:44:16 CST(-0600)] <michelled> jhung: seems like it's worth some triage at least

[12:44:19 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jhung, thinking about it… as I think, I note that I can't reproduce this on FF, myself

[12:44:19 CST(-0600)] <michelled> very odd behaviour

[12:47:10 CST(-0600)] <jhung> Hmmm., I don't get it in FF.

[12:47:18 CST(-0600)] <jhung> Looks like Chrome and Safari

[12:49:01 CST(-0600)] <jhung> My thought is that maybe this should be fixed. Just now I went to press the play button on the native control but instead muted the video because our native controls appeared on hover.

[12:50:36 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jhung, yeah, that does sound bad

[12:51:24 CST(-0600)] <jhung> justin_o, michelled. thoughts?

[12:52:10 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> jhung: at least you can't interact with the native controls

[12:52:30 CST(-0600)] <jhung> true. And it only appears once.

[12:59:51 CST(-0600)] <jhung> But if we put this up on the IDI site, captions is likely what will be shown off first as one of our special features. Do we feel comfortable to have this face the user as their first experience of our video player?

[13:07:29 CST(-0600)] <jhung> Anastasiac, justin_o, michelled: It appears transcripts are broken in FF for Mac and Windows in full screen. I filed a Jira: FLUID-4889

[13:07:42 CST(-0600)] <jhung> May be a positioning issue.

[13:07:53 CST(-0600)] <jhung> Just a guess.

[13:09:23 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> works for me...

[13:11:42 CST(-0600)] <jhung> anastasiac: maybe try on a smaller display.

[13:12:10 CST(-0600)] <jhung> My display is 1920x1200 and it doesn't appear.

[13:18:47 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jhung, I've added some comments to the JIRA describing my testing experiences.

[13:23:11 CST(-0600)] <jhung> anastasiac: great. Thanks. I'll put all these Jiras into the planning page and maybe we can chat about it once I've done more testing.

[13:26:35 CST(-0600)] <cindyli> Bosmon2: ryt

[13:31:47 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon2> Hello

[13:32:12 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> If we are starting the comunity meting soon, please also Skype in Steve Githens

[13:34:38 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Justin_o?

[13:35:12 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: michelled will be handling the Skype call today.. i'm coming in remotely as well

[13:42:29 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jhung, are you joining the community meeting?

[13:42:51 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> we're hoping to have a designer participate, jhung

[13:57:44 CST(-0600)] <jhung> anastasiac: In middle of something. I'll ping you once I'm free

[13:57:50 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> np

[15:33:11 CST(-0600)] <yzen1> jhung, Justin_o, cindyli1 would you guys have some time tomorrow morning (before the decapod meeting) to recap the uio work and do some iteration plannign ?

[15:33:27 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> yzen: sure

[15:34:03 CST(-0600)] <jhung> sure yzen

[15:34:07 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> yzen: I've been starting at 7am so i have lots of time

[15:34:27 CST(-0600)] <yzen> Justin_o: you carzy

[15:34:29 CST(-0600)] <yzen> crazy

[15:34:57 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o>

[15:35:30 CST(-0600)] <Justin_o> yzen: i'm going to drop offline now.. but i'll be around and am free in the morning whenever you are all ready to start

[15:36:00 CST(-0600)] <yzen> thanks Justin_o

[15:44:07 CST(-0600)] <cindyli1> np with me, yzen, although i will be joining remotely. working from home tomorrow

[15:46:24 CST(-0600)] <yzen> cindyli1: sounds good