fluid-work IRC Logs-2010-09-30

[09:45:54 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> colinclark, jessm, anastasiac or anyone else: Do any of you have Clayton's Skype ID, and if so, could you IM it over to me?
[09:46:05 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> yep, one sec, jameswy
[09:47:13 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> sent via IM
[09:54:41 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Hi everyone (incl. anastasiac, colinclark, mlam, justin_o, jameswy). Latest inline edit wireframe is in SVN: http://source.fluidproject.org/svn/design/infusion/infusion-demo-redesign/Inline-Edit-03.png
[09:55:06 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> awesome
[09:57:43 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I'll send out an email with an update, but I think work can get started on this now.
[10:08:20 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I think I'm going to get rid of the Finished button at the end. Otherwise this whole thing might as well be a normal form without inline edit.
[10:23:17 CDT(-0500)] <golam> colinclark jessm: when entering copy right information in our code, do we use OCAD or OCADU or OCAD University?
[10:24:12 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> golam: As far as I know, the new official name of the University is "OCAD University," so use that.
[10:24:25 CDT(-0500)] <golam> thanks
[10:25:38 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> golam: Remember that for files that already exist, we should be add a copyright statement for OCAD University, but not take away any of the institutions that are already listed in the license header.
[10:25:57 CDT(-0500)] <golam> sounds good
[11:38:16 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> justin_o, mlam: going to grab lunch. Chat on skype around 1p?
[11:41:05 CDT(-0500)] <justin_o> jhung: sure, please ping me then
[12:05:30 CDT(-0500)] <golam> jhung colinclark: Just checked in the first version of our progress demo redesign and it's in the incubator
[12:05:53 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> golam: excellent. I'll check it out.
[12:05:54 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> excellent!
[12:06:33 CDT(-0500)] <golam> I will be testing the functionality with screen reader and some code cleanup
[12:07:12 CDT(-0500)] <golam> I will let you know once they are checked in
[12:08:02 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> golam: Great!
[12:08:25 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Do you anticipate needing help from anyone to get the styling and CSS looking hot?
[12:08:48 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Or is that something you feel comfortable with doing on your own?
[12:08:49 CDT(-0500)] <golam> sure I can pair up with someone
[12:09:06 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> jhung is pretty good at it these days
[12:09:18 CDT(-0500)] <golam> I can do on my own but also open to pair up with someone as well
[12:09:27 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Totally up to you
[12:10:06 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> golam: I can help you with some styling. Let me chat with justin_o and mlam first.
[12:10:18 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> golam: you can get started and I'll ping you shortly.
[12:10:19 CDT(-0500)] <golam> cool thanks
[12:10:29 CDT(-0500)] <golam> ok sounds good
[12:11:47 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> golam: just checked out the demo. Looks good!
[12:12:24 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> golam: just one thing though. After the progress disappears, the submit is supposed to disable. And the text in the status should include a link to restart the demo.
[12:14:15 CDT(-0500)] <golam> oh ok I will work on that
[12:20:48 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> colinclark: got a sec to chat on skype about work priority?
[12:26:50 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Hey jhung, sorry I missed your ping
[12:27:01 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I've got a meeting now, but can chat about priorities at 2 pm if that's not too late
[12:32:58 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> golam, mlam, justin_o: I'm going to help start working on the markup for the Inline Edit demo. Golam, maybe heidi_ has some time to help you with some styling?
[12:33:39 CDT(-0500)] <golam> ok cool
[12:33:42 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> yes golam let me know if you need a hand
[12:34:21 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidi_: have you seen the design? http://source.fluidproject.org/svn/design/infusion/infusion-demo-redesign/Progress.png
[12:36:19 CDT(-0500)] <golam> heidi_: maybe you can help me make the html page looks like the demo page
[12:36:21 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> saw in your email.. looks good
[12:36:25 CDT(-0500)] <golam> the html and css
[12:36:30 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> url to demo again?
[12:37:06 CDT(-0500)] <golam> the process folder is in the icubator
[12:37:32 CDT(-0500)] <golam> you can checkout the progress folder
[12:37:43 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> whats the url to it, is it in src?
[12:37:59 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidi_, golam: http://source.fluidproject.org/svn/incubator/progress/FLUID-3751/
[12:38:45 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> where's the path to the demo html file
[12:39:12 CDT(-0500)] <golam> http://source.fluidproject.org/svn/incubator/progress/FLUID-3751/src/webapp/demos/progress/demo.html
[12:39:19 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> thanks
[12:44:05 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> golam do you want me to work on the css ?
[12:44:17 CDT(-0500)] <golam> ok cool
[12:44:21 CDT(-0500)] <golam> thanks
[12:44:49 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> okay i'll send you the .css file soon
[12:48:01 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> jhung did you want that little strawberry img? if so can you send me it?
[12:48:43 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidi_: sure. let me find a CC version
[12:51:00 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidi_: here http://www.flickr.com/photos/simonkoleznik/396358600/ We'll need to give proper attribution in the license.
[12:51:55 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> nice berries!
[12:51:55 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> for the table markup, i know we need <th> for the top headers, but not sure how to markup that subtotal applies to the column beside it... anyone?
[12:53:12 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> jhung the img looks different in your mockup - can you send me that one?
[12:53:22 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> faded etc
[12:53:47 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> or i can just cut it out of that png
[12:53:55 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidi_: ok. I'll photoshop it and send you a file via skype.
[12:54:07 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidi_: the one i used previously wasn't CC i think.
[12:54:19 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> ah
[12:54:32 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> jhung any thoughts on table markup? i'm rusty w/ tables
[12:55:27 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidi_: not exactly sure I understand the question. What exactly are you trying to do?
[12:59:02 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> well you use <th> to associate the column headers with the column data
[12:59:32 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> i'm guessing there's something we can do to make the assoc between columns ("subtotal" and the value beside it)
[12:59:38 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidi_: http://source.fluidproject.org/svn/design/infusion/infusion-demo-redesign/Images/strawberries.png
[13:00:00 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> thanks
[13:00:49 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> greggy any thoughts on table markup ?
[13:01:11 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidi_: ah I understand now. Not like there's a row header element to make the relationship clear.
[13:03:17 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> is there?
[13:03:26 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> or something similar...
[13:03:40 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I'm looking...
[13:03:56 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> TD has a scope attribute. May be what we want?
[13:04:07 CDT(-0500)] <greggy> heidi_: table markup how so?
[13:04:07 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> ah yes scope
[13:04:35 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> greggy is there a way to mark a column as the header of the column beside it? like... subtotal | $23
[13:04:42 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> where subtotal sort of defines the 23
[13:04:48 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> kinda like th works
[13:04:51 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> <th>
[13:05:23 CDT(-0500)] <greggy> heidi_: can you point me to an example?
[13:06:31 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> greggy: http://source.fluidproject.org/svn/incubator/progress/FLUID-3751/src/webapp/demos/progress/demo.html
[13:07:27 CDT(-0500)] <greggy> jhung: I don't see a table
[13:08:06 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> greggy http://source.fluidproject.org/svn/incubator/progress/FLUID-3751/src/webapp/demos/progress/html/progress.html
[13:08:51 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> shoot
[13:08:53 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> hold on.
[13:09:05 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> jhung i posted it
[13:09:27 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidi_: thanks. That's right.
[13:11:41 CDT(-0500)] <greggy> heidi_:
[13:11:57 CDT(-0500)] <greggy> heidi_: you could uses headers/id...
[13:12:00 CDT(-0500)] <greggy> http://websavvy-access.org/resources/top_ten.php#tab_headers
[13:12:59 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> ah that might be it
[13:13:44 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> so <tr> <th id="sub">subtotal</th><td headers="sub">amount</td></tr> ?
[13:13:50 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> can you combine th and td's in a row
[13:14:45 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> do you think it's needed or will reading "subtotal $23" by AT make sense without it
[13:14:58 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> ^ greggy
[13:15:54 CDT(-0500)] <greggy> heidi_: I'd need to try this with a screen reader
[13:16:13 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> yeah jhung can you test it out?
[13:16:31 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> the thing about setting <th> for item, qty etc
[13:16:42 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> is that it would read that header for the subtotal/total rows too
[13:16:47 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> which doesn't make sense
[13:16:51 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> its like two tables
[13:17:11 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidi_: I'll try it now...
[13:18:43 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> jhung: are you going to place the html file into the new folder you just created?
[13:18:53 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> for the inline edit demo
[13:23:53 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> mlam: yes.
[13:24:05 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> jhung: ok cool, thanks!
[13:24:15 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> nested properly into src/webapp/demos/progress/html
[13:24:30 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> * I mean inline edit, not progress.
[13:25:50 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidi_: I tested with NVDA. It just says: "Cell 1 Subtotal. Cell 3 Dollar 23 point 19."
[13:26:33 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> but we should prob have th's for the item/qty/price headers
[13:26:47 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> yes.
[13:27:02 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> and i think they might interfere with the bottom cols where that doesn't follow
[13:27:14 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> know what i mean?
[13:27:19 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidi: thinking we should have a separate container for subtotal, charge, and total.
[13:27:24 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> yep
[13:27:26 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> agreed
[13:28:37 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Doesn't need to be a table. A list would be sufficient. Align it so the text follows the text in the above table.
[13:28:52 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> okay ill change it
[13:29:28 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidi_: would a <dl><dt><dd> be sufficient?
[13:29:37 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> i think so
[13:29:46 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> k
[13:30:31 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> jhung am i updating the html or are you (and i can svn update)
[13:30:36 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> either cool
[13:30:56 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidi_: can you do it? I'm working on inlineEdit currently.
[13:31:01 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> yep np
[13:31:05 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> ty!
[13:32:54 CDT(-0500)] <golam> jhung: can I commit the changes I have so far..I just added the "Restart Demo" option
[13:33:06 CDT(-0500)] <golam> small changes to the js and html
[13:33:30 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> make sure to update first in case Heidi has made changes.
[13:33:37 CDT(-0500)] <golam> ok cool
[13:36:45 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> justin_o: any idea how I should mark up the selector in the inline edit demo? I'm not using a <form> so using a input type="select" is improper.
[13:39:45 CDT(-0500)] <golam> heidi_: I am going to commit small changes for our progress demo.
[13:39:58 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> golam: html and css? or other stuff
[13:40:23 CDT(-0500)] <golam> small changes for html, css, and js
[13:40:37 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> okay - are you going to keep changing it? or is that it
[13:41:00 CDT(-0500)] <golam> I think that's it for the html and css
[13:41:05 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> okay
[13:41:08 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> ill update
[13:41:09 CDT(-0500)] <golam> thanks
[13:41:35 CDT(-0500)] <golam> please update now
[13:41:40 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> k
[14:08:14 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> greggy: I noticed in NVDA, there is no dictionary for abbreviations. So "qty." and "lb." are read literally. Should such terms be spelled out or common abbreviations are okay?
[14:08:36 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> greggy: with respect to screen readers.
[14:12:14 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> mlam, justin_o: I've checked in the start of the markup. http://source.fluidproject.org/svn/incubator/inlineEdit/FLUID-3752-demo/src/webapp/demos/inlineEdit/simple/html/
[14:12:26 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> mlam, justin_o: going to start on some CSS now.
[14:13:05 CDT(-0500)] <mlam> awesome! thanks jhung
[14:22:53 CDT(-0500)] <greggy> jhung: always spelled out the first time they appear on each page, though that could be using the abbr or acronym elements
[14:23:16 CDT(-0500)] <greggy> abbr attribute, acronym element
[14:25:23 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> greggy: thanks!
[14:25:50 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidi_: I guess we'll need to use that for the progress demo.
[14:26:12 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> will do
[14:26:39 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> can i just write "Quantity" ?
[14:26:58 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> n/m looks weird
[14:27:57 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> heidi_: yeah, not sure how we're going to treat "lb." I guess put it in a abbr element.
[14:28:21 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> yeah i did that for Qty
[14:28:30 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> ill do the same for lb
[14:28:42 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> coolness
[14:29:54 CDT(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark, anastasiac: do you remember how to get to the incubator builds
[14:30:49 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> hm... not offhand... hang on
[14:33:36 CDT(-0500)] <justin_o> jamon: do you have a second.. trying to figure out what url our incubator builds are on
[15:03:37 CDT(-0500)] <heidi_> jamon : wiki down?
[16:08:24 CDT(-0500)] <golam> heidi_: please add me to your skype contact list golam.chowdhury